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    Quote Originally Posted by tony View Post
    What you've stated ignores the identity of those who are descendents of slaves. They/we are of African descent which is very much a part of the culture and is not to be forgotten. African American has more weight than just a classification, it takes examination of what it means to be African as well as American to really understand. (especially the latter) I guarantee the common sentiment of being American by someone who is white is different than someone who is black, because the experience is different.

    I could go all into it but I find that the time is often wasted and the energy is better used elsewhere, which is why you don't always see me respond.
    It doesn't ignore anything. If you are from Africa, you're African. Whether you're a descendant of slaves or not. If you move to become an American, the you are African American. Slave or no. This is just an example where some people want to be equal but separate. Where people think they deserve their own special title because of their history.

    And I know why I don't see you respond. Believe that. You're smart on a lot of things, but not so smart on others, man. Later, QD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quickdodgeŽ View Post
    It doesn't ignore anything. If you are from Africa, you're African. Whether you're a descendant of slaves or not. If you move to become an American, the you are African American. Slave or no. This is just an example where some people want to be equal but separate. Where people think they deserve their own special title because of their history.

    And I know why I don't see you respond. Believe that. You're smart on a lot of things, but not so smart on others, man. Later, QD.
    What does American mean QD? Is it being born here? If so then there are a LOT of Mexicans that come under unwarranted scrutiny for being here illegally. How about those indigenous to the Land, are they American too? Because they sure as hell don't get treated like it. Thats my problem with this whole "we're all American and nothing else" sentiment, it ignores the fact that there are various cultures in this country that have their own identity, one that does not conform to the dominant culture, that is whats supposed to make this country so great.

    But when I defend my position I'm whining or complaining, when in reality some of you are scared to just talk about the truth. No big deal, I just wonder at what point would I feel justified in telling someone else what their heritage is, something I most likely havent taken the time to study or understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tony View Post
    What does American mean QD? Is it being born here? If so then there are a LOT of Mexicans that come under unwarranted scrutiny for being here illegally. How about those indigenous to the Land, are they American too? Because they sure as hell don't get treated like it. Thats my problem with this whole "we're all American and nothing else" sentiment, it ignores the fact that there are various cultures in this country that have their own identity, one that does not conform to the dominant culture, that is whats supposed to make this country so great.
    Being born in your country under legal citizenship is what American, or any other nationality, is. If my parents were French citizens and I was born in France, then I'm French. If my parents were American citizens in France and I was born over there, I'm American born abroad. If you're here illegally, then you're still the nationality of the country of your legal citizenship.

    The original American Indians is who you're referring to? You've obviously not seen some of my posts on Thanksgiving. I think it's shitty how the people coming over here took the land from these people and then were "kind enough" to let them have some of that land back for themselves (reservations). I think that you think I have a problem with black folks calling themselves African Americans. If that's it, then that just proves you're not really reading my posts, because I've never said that. And I don't feel that way.

    Quote Originally Posted by tony View Post
    But when I defend my position I'm whining or complaining, when in reality some of you are scared to just talk about the truth.
    What truth do you THINK I'm afraid to talk about? I'm not afraid to talk about anything. We can get up and talk about whatever on race and stuff. As I said in my post above, I love to listen and learn about the black culture. Later, QD.
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