proof of speeding

[whatever210]

so theres an ongoing debate on wether a cop has to clock or pace you in order to pull you over and give you a speeding ticket or not. is there a law or code or something if there is can you post it up.

my argument is
how is there a case if he didnt clock you or doesnt have any scientific evidence saying you were going that speed. he cant just say oh think you were doin 115 then give you a ticket. it doesnt work like that

his argument is
Assuming you didnt do anything stupid like say "Well I know I was speeding but I wasnt going 80" the cop would still be able to say he was able to gauge your speed from sight. They are trained to do that, but the allowances for the speed is greater. If your ticket was for 5-10 over it would probably be dismissed, but if it was 50 over, you would probably get a ticket still (albeit for a lesser fine).

[quickdodge®]

This thread reeks. Later, QD.

[whatever210]

This thread reeks. Later, QD.

just like your old civic. later, QD

[02SloWrx]

Cops can do w.e. the fuck they want.

[Jason..]

just like your old civic. later, QD

LOl that was kinda funny.But is there word against yours..

[Echonova]

Link to thread for reference... This guy has no clue (the speeder not whatever210).

http://240atlanta.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41967

[BKgen®]

In the grand scheme of things:

The the police officer's story > The immature reckless driver's story

[whatever210]

In the grand scheme of things:

The the police officer's story > The immature reckless driver's story

that has nothing to do with my original question.

[StreetHazard]

a lawyer is your friend in this situation (a friend you have to pay for) especially when you are cited for these kinds of speeds, a judge will frown upon anyone going 115mph anywhere and unless you have a bleeding pregnant woman in the backseat, there is usually no good reason to be doing it.

then its like GKtib® said

I just paid mine a little visit today for my court case coming up in october

[TSiFTW]

Has no one even questuioned the fact he got pulled over and arrested by a Cobb County cop in Douglas County.

[tdurr]

^^ i saw that and lol'ed. I would've driven off.

[deathrex]

i got pulled over for x amount of speed in a 45 the officer said i was doing 100 asked the officer if he clocked me he said no i then asked if he paced me he also said no, he then said he clocked me with his radar eyes. i loled so hard even when i was in handcuffs i said lets go ahead and go to jail. with no proof, no dashcam or any other cars arround to judge my speed. The officer asked why i was laughing and i simply said by the time court is over and done with ill own gwinnett county for false arrest. I was taken out of the cuffs pretty quickly and released with no citations. Unless they have physical proof, ie radar or pacing they dont have anything on you.

[TicketRedBB6]

i got pulled over for x amount of speed in a 45 the officer said i was doing 100 asked the officer if he clocked me he said no i then asked if he paced me he also said no, he then said he clocked me with his radar eyes. i loled so hard even when i was in handcuffs i said lets go ahead and go to jail. with no proof, no dashcam or any other cars arround to judge my speed. The officer asked why i was laughing and i simply said by the time court is over and done with ill own gwinnett county for false arrest. I was taken out of the cuffs pretty quickly and released with no citations. Unless they have physical proof, ie radar or pacing they dont have anything on you.

Made me lol.
I always wondered if a cop giving you a ticket for how fast he "thought" you were going would stick. Besides the whole "what he says goes" argument.

[deathrex]

No it wont stick. Even if he writes a ticket a lawyer will get it thrown out so damn quick unless theres physical proof. I just couldnt believe that he said he clocked me with his radar eyes. Im usually very polite to people but that just made me laugh so damn hard. He thought he was johnny law laying his foot down. Im not trying to sound like a bad ass because im not ill suck up to a cop to get out of a ticket lol. And anyone who says they wouldnt is full of shit or full blown retarded. But i know damn well i wasent doing 100. 65 was what i was seeing on my dash. They say outragous things like that so they can try and get you to say the speed you were actually doing. Then theyll have it on tape then theres evidence against you.

[speedminded]

so theres an ongoing debate on wether a cop has to clock or pace you in order to pull you over and give you a speeding ticket or not. is there a law or code or something if there is can you post it up.

Any officer trained and certified to use speed detection devices is qualified to use "visual estimation" against you in court as well, visual estimation within 5mph is a major part of the training and use of both radar and laser.

With a pacing charge simply ask for the speed detection calibration records. The vehicles speedometer must be calibrated and certification recorded by a 3rd party certified technician on an annual basis. Pay close attention to the vehicles identification on the records too.

It has been discovered that departments will "reuse" the calibration records of other equipment: speedometers, radar devices, etc. All speed detection devices are required an annual calibration by a 3rd party certified technician and up to date records may or may not be for the correct vehicle or device.

my argument is
how is there a case if he didnt clock you or doesnt have any scientific evidence saying you were going that speed. he cant just say oh think you were doin 115 then give you a ticket. it doesnt work like that

Yes they can, the question is can you come up with scientific evidence in court that proves they can't.

his argument is
Assuming you didnt do anything stupid like say "Well I know I was speeding but I wasnt going 80" the cop would still be able to say he was able to gauge your speed from sight. They are trained to do that, but the allowances for the speed is greater. If your ticket was for 5-10 over it would probably be dismissed, but if it was 50 over, you would probably get a ticket still (albeit for a lesser fine).

What's the first thing they ask you once it's been established you were speeding, "Do you know how fast you were going?" It's called admission of guilt and your answer will affect what happens in court...so respond wisely.


Also, no radar or laser can be used within 500 feet of a "Speed Detection Decives being used warning sign". No radar or laser can be used within 500 feet of a change in speed limit sign either.

40-14-6. Warning signs required
http://web.lexis-nexis.com/research/...a2cf5433f62d3f



Another useful law, making speed traps unlawful:

40-14-7. Visibility of vehicle from which device is operated
No stationary speed detection device shall be employed by county, municipal, college, or university law enforcement officers where the vehicle from which the device is operated is obstructed from the view of approaching motorists or is otherwise not visible for a distance of at least 500 feet.



Here's another one that can be both useful or bite you. It means you can not get a ticket for 10 or less over UNLESS the speed limit is under 35mph, you're in a school zone, or you're in a "historic district". Sounds like to me it's a good way for small old towns in rural Georgia to make a little income from a really minor speeding violation.


40-14-8. When case may be made and conviction had

(a) No county, city, or campus officer shall be allowed to make a case based on the use of any speed detection device, unless the speed of the vehicle exceeds the posted speed limit by more than ten miles per hour and no conviction shall be had thereon unless such speed is more than ten miles per hour above the posted speed limit.

(b) The limitations contained in subsection (a) of this Code section shall not apply in properly marked school zones one hour before, during, and one hour after the normal hours of school operation, in properly marked historic districts, and in properly marked residential zones. For purposes of this chapter, thoroughfares with speed limits of 35 miles per hour or more shall not be considered residential districts. For purposes of this Code section, the term "historic district" means a historic district as defined in paragraph (5) of Code Section 44-10-22 and which is listed on the Georgia Register of Historic Places or as defined by ordinance adopted pursuant to a local constitutional amendment.



How many people knew about this law? You can't get a ticket on a hill over a 7% grade. Seven percent grade means the road drops down 7 feet for every 100 feet forward.

40-14-9. Evidence obtained in certain areas inadmissible; use of device on hill

Evidence obtained by county or municipal law enforcement officers in using speed detection devices within 300 feet of a reduction of a speed limit inside an incorporated municipality or within 600 feet of a reduction of a speed limit outside an incorporated municipality or consolidated city-county government shall be inadmissible in the prosecution of a violation of any municipal ordinance, county ordinance, or state law regulating speed; nor shall such evidence be admissible in the prosecution of a violation as aforesaid when such violation has occurred within 30 days following a reduction of the speed limit in the area where the violation took place, except that this 30 day limitation shall not apply to a speeding violation within a highway work zone, as defined in Code Section 40-6-188. No speed detection device shall be employed by county, municipal, or campus law enforcement officers on any portion of any highway which has a grade in excess of 7 percent.


There are countless more laws and requirements regarding radar/laser usage. Even if you are able to get the radar/laser evidence thrown out the courts may resort to visual speed estimation. This is why you hire an attorney if it's a serious violation. They know the laws and how to use them in the defendants benefit...