I am really a car/power snob. Oh well.

[Tracy]

(If y'all can put up w/ the mindless babble)

While a lot of the setups are similar and may not be declared as being innovative, they are definitely pushing the envelope. Comparing to everyone else on this list, the only one that really sticks out in my mind is Dave Henry, since he has always been 100% privateer. But it's hard to judge Dan's ranking on here since the time he posted was quite a few years back, and a number of cars on this list have only achieved that status in the last few years. Even DaveH's rank was made last year, and the same goes for SW's 6 speed car. Half of these guys are running setups that have only seen a year's worth of testing, and to see Dan still in the top 20 just speaks for what that car did at the time, IMO. A little bit of background info, when Dan was in the 8's, DaveH was still in the mid-9's. The car he (Dave) has now is a completely different setup with the rear being tubbed out, and forward of the firewall is a tubular chassis.

EDIT: Another one that really stands out was Marko Djuric's car. I remember watching videos of his car in 2005 when I was deployed. That was also right when the 6 speed battle between Ryan Woon and Saad Saad was heating up, and then Paul Efantis kinda popped up and surprised everyone with his 6 speed 'Blue Bomber'. That was a good year in Supra drag racing history, haha.

Anyways, taken off of Supraforums...Top 20 MKIV 1/4 mile times.



And seeing the name Phil Panas mentioned on the second page just makes me realize I've been watching from the sidelines for awhile, hahahaha.

LOL @ Phil Penis. Wanna bet that he still watches this forum and might just pop up since I called him Phil Penis????

[AFSil80]

He's on my AIM list, but i haven't seen his name logged in for the better part of 3 years now. I don't even know if he goes onto any forums anymore. But seeing you say 'Phil Penis' almost makes me think that Tracy 2005 is coming back, hahaha.

(Not to spark drama, but my favorite car on the Top 20 is SW's 6 speed. THAT motherfucker gets DOWN, haha)

[Tracy]

He's on my AIM list, but i haven't seen his name logged in for the better part of 3 years now. I don't even know if he goes onto any forums anymore. But seeing you say 'Phil Penis' almost makes me think that Tracy 2005 is coming back, hahaha.

(Not to spark drama, but my favorite car on the Top 20 is SW's 6 speed. THAT motherfucker gets DOWN, haha)

I tried to find the pic of his car that someone made into a planter for you, but I couldn't find it.

SW's is hot. I don't have a favorite anymore. Dan sold my favorite and it was my favorite just because it has sentimental value Dan wanted to sell it YEARS ago, but I kept begging him to keep it. I finally felt bad and gave up. He said he was bored with it and wanted to spend the money on a new car. I guess I just have to understand somethings. SOME things.

[AFSil80]

Gotta make room for new things so you can be innovative hahahahaha!

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

[Tracy]

Gotta make room for new things so you can be innovative hahahahaha!

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

Well shit. By the looks of it the Corvette will be an antique by the time we get one.

[ueyedgr8tness]

I must say i can't really agree with you 100% only because if he was doing the stuff hiself and wanting to learn the hard way so he could feel good about his work then so bid.My brother does the same thing but with computers he has burned about 5-6k worth of video cards and other bs up for 2-3 yr's trying to figure out how to be a computer tech.But after awhile now he has it and it was worth the waste of $ because now he has the pride in building fast max game rigs with his eye's closed without going to school to learn.It is now his pride and he wouldn't take it back for nothing.I really think that ppl like my brother and P do stuff on there own at no matter the cost just so they can say they did it and the feel that u get when you have built something yourself ground up.. The attitude i am not sure about but i must say if i spent s much time and $ to build a car to reach a certain goal no matter how long it takes i would be pretty proud of myself to even if it was slow and 10k other ppl done it way before me

[AFSil80]

Bah, Vettes never get old. Unless it's a C4. They're definitely the bastard child of the Corvette Heritage. It's not good if your flagship car is slower than a Buick Regal, hahaha.

[Tracy]

Bah, Vettes never get old. Unless it's a C4. They're definitely the bastard child of the Corvette Heritage. It's not good if your flagship car is slower than a Buick Regal, hahaha.

Hey Buick's are making a come back.

I hear ya stay_up. Good analogy for non-shop cars.

Can you tell I am tired of debating right now? Sorry for the short response.

[Z0_o6]

Can you tell I am tired of debating right now? Sorry for the short response.

yeah, WTF!!! Takes the fun out of it

[speedminded]

I won't do any calling out. I will however post an old school video that I made. Everyone swore that our car had to be running nitrous because there was NO WAY! Even after we came to the event, they all still said it and we had to be hiding the nitrous. What a compliment

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...ideoID=9855382

It's no fair, Dan clearly will always have the power to weight ratio advantage...against any other driver

[SleepingTalon]

LOL @ the Myspace vid that Tracy posted! Ahhh, that was some funny ass shit. I think I even started a thread like 5min after Dan ran that 10sec slip and sparked some shit off on here! Haha.

In regards to the the BG Supra and Dan's build, he went totally against the norm of what all the experts on Supraforums thought was right. People were hating big time, and that car was running single digit times when people were trying to just get into the 11's and high 10's. You have to remember that this was in 2003 for fucks sake. That was a long time ago. He also did it on DR's, NOT slicks, which made it all the more impressive. To me, Dan's supra was the yard stick that showed that you can do a lot with a limited budget, but smart fabrication/tuning. Hell, I have parts of the BG02 Supra on my own car, and it's amazing that some of the stuff he came up with works so well.

As far as Pepe is concerned, I don't remember anyone running around in fast 240's back in the day. This was when my street car was a DSM, and 500whp street cars weren't so common. That car beat up on a lot of cars, including John's 400awhp GSX, who was my lead tech at the time.

At any rate, shops just build what's asked of them. Shop cars are expensive to build, maintain, and even more expensive to race. That price tag rises exponentially when you wanna be innovative. It's not a lack of imagination on BG's part, that's for sure. Cost vs what you get out of it, that's the bottom line. I think you get to a point where you just wanna have your business run in a profitable fashion, and not deal with some of that stress. I could have built my SC and done a Turbo 400, and gone all crazy on a proven setup, and ran some ridiculous times, but I built my car for ME for once, not to have a pissing contest with someone else.

[creman]

I kinda see where you're comming from I suppose Tracy. If you're going to show off, make sure it's something to show off.

How big is this other shop you're refeering to? Do they have deep pockets? Comparing yourself to them may be the same as comparing the sponsered race teams to yourself when you had racing cars. If they don't have the income you do, it may be a real feat to reach the goal they have.

[Z0_o6]

I kinda see where you're comming from I suppose Tracy. If you're going to show off, make sure it's something to show off.

How big is this other shop you're refeering to? Do they have deep pockets? Comparing yourself to them may be the same as comparing the sponsered race teams to yourself when you had racing cars. If they don't have the income you do, it may be a real feat to reach the goal they have.

They sure claim to have the deep pockets and resources necessary if they wanted to race on the moon.

[Tracy]

I kinda see where you're comming from I suppose Tracy. If you're going to show off, make sure it's something to show off.

How big is this other shop you're refeering to? Do they have deep pockets? Comparing yourself to them may be the same as comparing the sponsered race teams to yourself when you had racing cars. If they don't have the income you do, it may be a real feat to reach the goal they have.

Are we friends now? I sure hope so.

This is a general post geared toward general things that I see going on with many shops (there is only about 55 of them in Atlanta with new ones popping up all of the time). It is safe to assume that the discussion is geared toward ones that are at least on the same level as us money wise.

So I was thinking about this thread from a lot of different aspects. One of them is how shops make it. I think there are 3 levels:

-inexpensive and their clientèle is younger thus satisfied with mediocre work.
-liars and scammers who have tricked their clientèle that they do something special somehow. Their clientèle usually likes to have their ego stroked thus why they relate to slime balls and patronize the shop.
-innovative with a more experienced clientèle who appreciates above standard work.


p.s. I have decided that I like this post so much, that I will put it on my blog www.everythingtracy.com

[Miranda]

Come on, no one is innovative anymore. You can read a magazine article all you want, doesnt mean you are going to make the power. It takes a lot more than that.

Hey, STFU! I think I am the *ONLY* electropowered mofo on IA... innovation FTW!





can we gloss over the fact that my Prius is a hunk of shit? I should turbo it... cause you know, turbos fix everything!

[LostSolVTEC]

.. cause you know, turbos fix everything!

I may have to agree with you on this

[Miranda]

I may have to agree with you on this

Seriously... I think turbos are ducktape for ricers. I miss my turbo.

[Tracy]

Everyone knows that tuning actually fixes everything.

[stillaneon]

you mean.... It doesn't?

[Corolla_TC]

i can say that a bad piggy back and bad tuning caused the failure of two of my motors

[Z0_o6]

Everyone knows that tuning actually fixes everything.

depending on whether or not you are blessed enough to have the masters of the universe willing to tune you're hunk of shit.

[Miranda]

Everyone knows that tuning actually fixes everything.

Haha.. Dan is He-Man!

Can he work some magic on the Prius? Hehehe