I am really a car/power snob. Oh well.

[Vteckidd]

Well i mean there is a fine line.

IMO and ive been doing this a LONG time.....the customer you want is the reliable consistent mild to medium power guy. Guy that wants to spend $2000-4000 every 6 months is a nice customer.

Ill tell you what the customer that wants to spend $15,000-20000 you make MAYBE 20% on his ticket, if you are lucky.

Like a clutch job pays $300-400 in labor for most 4 cylinders. It can be done in 1-2 hours. A ENGINE swap most shops charge $1000. Thats A LOT MORE work for not that much more money.

As the ticket price increases, your profit goes down, for the most part. Or you get to the point where the ticket is so astronomical in price it doesnt justify the work done.

I just dont see anything nowadays where if you built some cool setup or something that no one else has done , that its going to drive your business and expand it.

[Tracy]

Well i mean there is a fine line.

IMO and ive been doing this a LONG time.....the customer you want is the reliable consistent mild to medium power guy. Guy that wants to spend $2000-4000 every 6 months is a nice customer.

Ill tell you what the customer that wants to spend $15,000-20000 you make MAYBE 20% on his ticket, if you are lucky.

Like a clutch job pays $300-400 in labor for most 4 cylinders. It can be done in 1-2 hours. A ENGINE swap most shops charge $1000. Thats A LOT MORE work for not that much more money.

As the ticket price increases, your profit goes down, for the most part. Or you get to the point where the ticket is so astronomical in price it doesnt justify the work done.

I just dont see anything nowadays where if you built some cool setup or something that no one else has done , that its going to drive your business and expand it.

We aren't talking about customers. That is a whole nother post. I am talking about shop cars with all the resources and knowledge at their fingertips.

I've been doing this just as long as you and innovation does count in the customers eyes.

[Vteckidd]

We aren't talking about customers. That is a whole nother post. I am talking about shop cars with all the resources and knowledge at their fingertips.

I've been doing this just as long as you and innovation does count in the customers eyes.

This is prob going to start a fight, but lets see if you can stay level headed and pretend its not me.

What has Batlground done that was innovative that really had a huge impact on your business?

I mean i cant speak for before i was there, but when i was there, barely any Supras came by.

Never once built a drift car (even though you guys had kickass 240s).

Subaru Business followed Siegel wherever he went. Even though you had a STI.

EVO business , we had a few here an there, but the bulk of them went to topspeed.

240s, same as Evos, you guys had a few come in , but nothing out of the ordinary.

I mean what i see from BG was a wider spectrum of cars to work on. A lot of shops around here are branded as a certain make an model of car shop. BG has been an EVO shop a SUPRA shop a 240 SHop, its evolved. but i dont see where anything crazy innovative really got you more business than doing something simple.

Make sense?

[Tracy]

This is prob going to start a fight, but lets see if you can stay level headed and pretend its not me.

What has Batlground done that was innovative that really had a huge impact on your business?

I mean i cant speak for before i was there, but when i was there, barely any Supras came by.

Never once built a drift car (even though you guys had kickass 240s).

Subaru Business followed Siegel wherever he went. Even though you had a STI.

EVO business , we had a few here an there, but the bulk of them went to topspeed.

240s, same as Evos, you guys had a few come in , but nothing out of the ordinary.

I mean what i see from BG was a wider spectrum of cars to work on. A lot of shops around here are branded as a certain make an model of car shop. BG has been an EVO shop a SUPRA shop a 240 SHop, its evolved. but i dont see where anything crazy innovative really got you more business than doing something simple.

Make sense?

No fight. I can understand a decent argument.

You think you can speak on 8 years of business because you were there for 9 mos? That is ridiculous. We worked on a lot of Hondas when you were there because that's what you pushed, now we barely work on any. Whatever we push at the time comes in.

From 2001-2004 we ONLY worked on Supras until we decided to move on on our own accord. We built the 240 at that time (for non-drift). Then everyone thought we worked on 240's and that's all that came in until we built the Evo. Same story for Evo. You are right about the Suby's though we work on select few. All of our cars were way gone before you got here and when you were there we had been on the road for 2 years...

I know you know how fickle everyone is. That's why we always buy new cars and build them. We don't ever want to pigeon hole our abilities. We keep it moving. Funny you should mention, I was at the shop last week for a TV interview deal and we had 2 Supras there, 3 240's, a STI and 2 Evos.

[Vteckidd]

No fight. I can understand a decent argument.

You think you can speak on 8 years of business because you were there for 9 mos? That is ridiculous. We worked on a lot of Hondas when you were there because that's what you pushed, now we barely work on any. Whatever we push at the time comes in.

From 2001-2004 we ONLY worked on Supras until we decided to move on on our own accord. We built the 240 at that time (for non-drift). Then everyone thought we worked on 240's and that's all that came in until we built the Evo. Same story for Evo. You are right about the Suby's though we work on select few. All of our cars were way gone before you got here and when you were there we had been on the road for 2 years...

We knew each other long before i came there, and you were VERY active on the boards. it was no secret what BG was doing or working on.

I dont act like i know anymore than i saw and dealt with. I didnt know you ONLY worked on Supras in that time frame.

anyways , gotta run

[Mike Lowrey]

Fuck you, Tracy!

I will take all my 130 torques and run you over!

[Z0_o6]

I just dont see anything nowadays where if you built some cool setup or something that no one else has done , that its going to drive your business and expand it.

I won't argue business numbers with you, I agree profit PERCENTAGE goes down as price goes up, the dollars still go up.

I will point this out though, if being innovative doesn't bring business, why are you going as fast as you can to make as many parts you can to support the Genesis? There aren't a shit-ton of them out there.

[Vteckidd]

I will point this out though, if being innovative doesn't bring business, why are you going as fast as you can to make as many parts you can to support the Genesis? There aren't a shit-ton of them out there.

I have a hunch, that im going to make A LOT of money in that market. I think i can do better than Bushur and AEM and others.

See the difference is im being innovative making PARTS. Im not building a car.

If i make an intake i average 50% return on it, i can almost guarantee if i built a genesis i would not make a 50% return on it