Quote Originally Posted by Total_Blender
You are right that they have to ask you to leave. But if I own a business, and I ask you to leave and you refuse, then I call the cops and tell them theres someone tresspassing in my building with a gun who refuses to leave. They will send the swat team to get you out if necessary.
They won't if the person doesn't act like an idiot. It happened to me at Malibu Grand Prix when some little teenage kid who was soooo proud of his Asst. Mgr. badge called Gwinnett Co. when mine happened to peek out the bottom of my shirt while I played a video game. He tried to act all billy bad ass when the Police showed up, and the officer told him to quit over reacting. They simply told me that mgmt didn't want me there, so I left. No big deal to me.....I was out of tokens anyway....

And if you are in a bank thats getting robbed, its not your responsibility to do anything about it. Nowhere in the "terms of service" agreement for a checking account does it say that you are obligated to engage robbers.
You're right it's not your job, but then again I guess that's why this world is going down the drain as fast as it is. People who think just like you that turn a blind eye and coward in the corner instead of standing up and doing the right thing. Oh well, to each their own.

Question: If YOUR mother or sister needed someone to come to their rescue in a situation, would YOU want someone like YOU who needs a "terms of service" permission slip to act, or someone like those of us who don't need any piece of paper to do the right thing????? Think about that and get back to me.

They don't expect anyone to be heroes.
Maybe if there were more people who acted like "heroes", this world would be much easier for everyone to live in.

Quote Originally Posted by Total_Blender
If more people with guns on the streets is supposed to reduce violence, then why have 48 people been killed in mass shootings in March alone? And not one of those shooters was stopped by a vigilante bystander, despite the fact that gun ownership/concealed carry is at an all time high.
Ok, I'll bite.

Name the shootings. All of them. Name when, where, and how it happened. You googled the number of dead in March, now finish the equation. Don't just take bits and pieces that agree with your anti-gun view. Report the WHOLE story.

Here, I'll do it for you:

April 4, 2009, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania: 23 year-old Richard Poplawsk opened fire on officers during a domestic disturbance call Saturday morning, killing three of them, a police official said.

April 4, 2009: Binghamton, N.Y: Jiverly Voong aka Jiverly Wong?13 people in a shooting rampage inside a New York State immigration services centre

March 29, 2009: Robert Stewart, 45, shot and killed eight people at Pinelake Health and Rehab in Carthage, North Carolina, before a police officer shot him and ended the rampage.

March 29, 2009: Indian techie Devan Kalathat, 42, shot and killed his two children and three other relatives, then killed himself in an upscale neighbourhood of Santa Clara, California. Kalathat’s wife was critically injured.

March 21, 2009: Lovelle Mixon, 26, shot and killed four Oakland, California, police officers after a traffic stop. Mixon was killed in a shootout with SWAT officers.

March 10, 2009: Michael McLendon, 28, killed 10 people - including his mother, four other relatives, and the wife and child of a local sheriff’s deputy - across two rural Alabama counties. He then killed himself.


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I highlighted the information YOU failed to take into consideration. Things like WHERE, WHO, and WHY explain very clearly, atleast to me, WHY no "vigilante with a gun" didn't fix the situation.

Now, I'm going to turn the tables on you with FACTS. As directly quoted from an extensive study conducted by a professor with a PHD in Criminology from FSU:

"The new survey, conducted by random sampling of 4,978 households in all the states except Alaska and Hawaii, yield results indicating that American civilians use their firearms as often as 2.5 million times every year defending against a confrontation with a criminal, and that handguns alone account for up to 1.9 million defenses per year. Previous surveys, in Kleck's analysis, had underrepresented the extent of private firearms defenses because the questions asked failed to account for the possibility that a particular respondent might have had to use his or her firearm more than once."

"Readers may be interested to know that Kleck is a member of the ACLU, Amnesty International USA, and Common Cause, among other politically liberal organizations. He is also a lifelong registered Democrat. He is not and has never been a member of or contributor to the NRA, Handgun Control Inc., or any other advocacy group on either side of the gun-control issue, nor has he received funding for research from any such organization."

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The following came directly from his interview with a journalist about his book which details, in FINE DETAIL, all the data he collected during his study which was written to be released to the American Society of Criminology:

"SCHULMAN: Let's break down some of these gun defenses if we can. How many are against armed robbers? How many are against burglars? How many are against people committing a rape or an assault?

KLECK: About 8 percent of the defensive uses involved a sexual crime such as an attempted sexual assault. About 29 percent involved some sort of assault other than sexual assault. Thirty-three percent involved a burglary or some other theft at home. Twenty-two percent involved robbery. Sixteen percent involved trespassing. Note that some incidents could involve more than one crime.


SCHULMAN: Do you have a breakdown of how many occurred on somebody's property and how many occurred, let's say, off somebody's property where somebody would have had to have been carrying a gun with them on their person or in their car?


KLECK: Yes. We asked where the incident took place. Seventy-two percent took place in or near the home, where the gun wouldn't have to be "carried" in a legal sense. And then some of the remainder, maybe another 4 percent, occurred in a friend's home where that might not necessarily involve carrying. Also, some of these incidents may have occurred in a vehicle in a parking lot and that's another 4 percent or so. So some of those incidents may have involved a less-regulated kind of carrying. In many states, for example, it doesn't require a license to carry a gun in your vehicle so I'd say that the share that involved carrying in a legal sense is probably less than a quarter of the incidents. I won't commit myself to anything more than that because we don't have the specifics of whether or not some of these away-from-home incidents occurred while a person was in a car.


SCHULMAN: All right. Well, does that mean that approximately a half million times a year somebody carrying a gun away from home uses it to defend himself or herself?


KLECK: That's what it would imply, yes."

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Any questions? Let me know.

People need to be more self-informed rather than eat up what the 6'oclock news feeds you. It sells newspapers and TV shows to sensationalize "mass shootings" with "automatic weapons", but when was the last time you heard a news article about Joe Smith the civilian saving someone's life because he wasn't too SCARED to do the right thing and step in to someone's aid??????