Ranch owner was justified and illegals don't have the same rights as Americans.
Illegals have rights as well even though they are braking the law.
The rancher is getting what he deserves viva la America!
The rancher should of shot and killed all of them.
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Damn, I learned something new. I am guessing that there is no way to toss the case if it makes NO FREAKING SENSE? After this, the rancher is not going to be happy. The next illegals may not be so lucky to just get turned over at gun point.Originally Posted by BanginJimmy
The US BAR or the legislature needs to enact some type of law against frivilous lawsuits. These types of suits are getting more and more common as people are winning them. Eventually there needs to be some common sense law enacted to shield people and companies from the huge defense costs. The problem is, no one in congress would EVER be willing do this because it will be called an attack against people in their fight against corporations that are out to abuse them.
^ there are loop holes in every law.
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16 illegals sue Arizona rancher
Claim violation of rights as they crossed his land
Jerry Seper (Contact)
Monday, February 9, 2009
An Arizona man who has waged a 10-year campaign to stop a flood of illegal immigrants from crossing his property is being sued by 16 Mexican nationals who accuse him of conspiring to violate their civil rights when he stopped them at gunpoint on his ranch on the U.S.-Mexico border.
Roger Barnett, 64, began rounding up illegal immigrants in 1998 and turning them over to the U.S. Border Patrol, he said, after they destroyed his property, killed his calves and broke into his home.
His Cross Rail Ranch near Douglas, Ariz., is known by federal and county law enforcement authorities as "the avenue of choice" for immigrants seeking to enter the United States illegally.
Trial continues Monday in the federal lawsuit, which seeks $32 million in actual and punitive damages for civil rights violations, the infliction of emotional distress and other crimes. Also named are Mr. Barnett's wife, Barbara, his brother, Donald, and Larry Dever, sheriff in Cochise County, Ariz., where the Barnetts live. The civil trial is expected to continue until Friday.
The lawsuit is based on a March 7, 2004, incident in a dry wash on the 22,000-acre ranch, when he approached a group of illegal immigrants while carrying a gun and accompanied by a large dog.
Attorneys for the immigrants - five women and 11 men who were trying to cross illegally into the United States - have accused Mr. Barnett of holding the group captive at gunpoint, threatening to turn his dog loose on them and saying he would shoot anyone who tried to escape.
The immigrants are represented at trial by the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund (MALDEF), which also charged that Sheriff Dever did nothing to prevent Mr. Barnett from holding their clients at "gunpoint, yelling obscenities at them and kicking one of the women."
In the lawsuit, MALDEF said Mr. Barnett approached the group as the immigrants moved through his property, and that he was carrying a pistol and threatening them in English and Spanish. At one point, it said, Mr. Barnett's dog barked at several of the women and he yelled at them in Spanish, "My dog is hungry and he's hungry for buttocks."
The lawsuit said he then called his wife and two Border Patrol agents arrived at the site. It also said Mr. Barnett acknowledged that he had turned over 12,000 illegal immigrants to the Border Patrol since 1998.
In March, U.S. District Judge John Roll rejected a motion by Mr. Barnett to have the charges dropped, ruling there was sufficient evidence to allow the matter to be presented to a jury. Mr. Barnett's attorney, David Hardy, had argued that illegal immigrants did not have the same rights as U.S. citizens.
Mr. Barnett told The Washington Times in a 2002 interview that he began rounding up illegal immigrants after they started to vandalize his property, northeast of Douglas along Arizona Highway 80. He said the immigrants tore up water pumps, killed calves, destroyed fences and gates, stole trucks and broke into his home.
Some of his cattle died from ingesting the plastic bottles left behind by the immigrants, he said, adding that he installed a faucet on an 8,000-gallon water tank so the immigrants would stop damaging the tank to get water.
Mr. Barnett said some of the ranch´s established immigrant trails were littered with trash 10 inches deep, including human waste, used toilet paper, soiled diapers, cigarette packs, clothes, backpacks, empty 1-gallon water bottles, chewing-gum wrappers and aluminum foil - which supposedly is used to pack the drugs the immigrant smugglers give their "clients" to keep them running.
He said he carried a pistol during his searches for the immigrants and had a rifle in his truck "for protection" against immigrant and drug smugglers, who often are armed.
A former Cochise County sheriff´s deputy who later was successful in the towing and propane business, Mr. Barnett spent $30,000 on electronic sensors, which he has hidden along established trails on his ranch. He searches the ranch for illegal immigrants in a pickup truck, dressed in a green shirt and camouflage hat, with his handgun and rifle, high-powered binoculars and a walkie-talkie.
His sprawling ranch became an illegal-immigration highway when the Border Patrol diverted its attention to several border towns in an effort to take control of the established ports of entry. That effort moved the illegal immigrants to the remote areas of the border, including the Cross Rail Ranch.
"This is my land. I´m the victim here," Mr. Barnett said. "When someone´s home and loved ones are in jeopardy and the government seemingly can´t do anything about it, I feel justified in taking matters into my own hands. And I always watch my back."
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...izona-rancher/
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This is where the US gov't will hit the brick wall. Because if they win this one, a shit load will follow.
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the govt MUST do something about this. Win or lose this will hurt the US. Unless our southern border is locked down this country will NEVER be safe from terrorism. Any one with a couple grand can be rbought through the border with anything they want. I have a feeling that it wont take long before someone finds a way to get either a bio, chemical or nuke weapon though that.
A lot of illegals pay taxes.
Why shouldn't they have the same rights as Americans?
How about because they arent Americas, they are criminals?
Illegals have FAR too many rights as it is. If the US was any other country they would not be treated NEARLY as well as they are here.
Plain and simple: Illegals get taxed just like everyone else. When some lazy poor fat american(black or white) gets laid off and have nothing going for them they file for unemployment and get money back from the government. Do illegal immigrants? No they fucking don't! Every project in any state that you stay in is is also provided by 'illegal immingrants.' Health Insurance - also provided by 'illegal immingrants.'
I mean if we weren't paying taxes then all the bickering that you fucksticks are doing might mean something. But we do so everyone is pretty much just wasting their time.
i don't count paying sales taxes to be good enough to stay here... illegals use gov services just as much and don't have to pay sh!t. why do you think grady and hospitals like that are having such financial problems? why don't we just turn people away who can't prove they are legal citizens? how about all of the people hit or injured by illegals who have no car insurance?
this shouldn't even be up for discussion b/c they are breaking the law.
What I'm saying is that if illegals are still getting taxed like every other american then why shouldn't they have the same rights? Of course I don't mean the same but atleast some rights. It wouldn't hurt and could possibly help the the country in the future.
I have a problem with illegals driving with no car insurance too. I have insurance, I claim my taxes and I'm the whitest mexican anyone will ever met. I'm a Mexican-American.
The only way i could think of them paying taxes would be under a fake SSN. therefore; them their selves aren't technically paying taxes.
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You're fucking stupid.
Lemme guess, some imaginary faith addict is paying all that money everyday? Instead of the hard working beaner?
I get so enraged reading about this. Id like to find a email address for U.S. District Judge John Roll.
One Big Ass Mistake America
I wouldn't believe these illegals that got caught and now are trying to sue this guy were paying taxes. just a hunch.
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the only way they could be illegal and pay taxes would be to have a stolen or fake ssn.
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OMG thanks Capt. Obvious!
God, you're fucking slow.
it obviously took that for you to get my point.
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Post #50 was full of sarcasm, dumbass.
DO YOU HONESTLY THINK I DIDN'T GET IT? HOLY FUCKING SHIT YOU ARE FUCKING STUPID!
How would you know if I was being sarcastic or not?
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like some one else said in another post. the US treats illegals the easiest of any country.
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bite me, btw where was that pic took in your sig?
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Does the bridge in the background not look familiar?
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Should of shot everysingle one of them.
lol.. How many idiots in this thread... lol
You dont need to be a citizen to get a trial in any court in the U.S.A
And what do Illegal immigrants have to do with companies that do not hire them and still pay Mini wage?
l-o-l..
Whatever folks.. is been going on for years.. and NO goverment has been able to stop it.
I'm against it 150%...
But how many of you really lived in poverty ? Really is not your fault that you were born in a great country (despite in the crisis we are now).. and when I say POVERTY, I mean, real poor.. Shit, welfare is being RICH compare to the state some of these people live.
You know, you have to do what you have to do to survive..
Paul , treat them the same as Criminals.. ? C'mon .. that will never happen... Makes no sense..
I look at both sides of the coin... I'm against it.. But I praise the ones who do come to this country illegally and become legal....
But for some, the system is screwed up..
But hey.. whatever....
I was a reading a story of a Mexican Guy who came to this country illegally back in the 80's.. had some struggles... But was a genious.. somehow he got his papers.. Legal.. went to school .. and now he is one of the BIGGEST DOCTORS in the USA.. I think if I read correctly, Brain surgeon i think is what I read..
Like him, they are thousands... Not all are bad...
Is all on how BAD you want to suceed in life.
Give me 1 reason they should not be treated as the criminals they are? Dont give that trying to better themself BS either. If I rob a liquor store and use that money to send my kid to school I am still a criminal, it doesnt matter why I did it, only that I did.
Huh? I was reffering to : when they come to the US illegally.. ..
Shit, if they rob a store.. hell send them back or kill them..
2 totally different situation...
I know exactly what you are refering to.
Its called an analogy. Reread what I said.
Then your analogy is as good as turd floating in a toylet at the varsity...
No matter what, you are still comparing shit to vaseline..
Now, thats an analogy
I like that analogy. Later, QD.
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He is a brain surgeon. He came over at a younger age and started working in corn and rice fields (I think). He used that money to get himself into school and eventually ended up in medical school. Twenty years later, he became a brain surgeon. You can refer to him now as Dr. Alfredo. Later, QD.
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Yup.. I read it in a Readers Digest... lol
AAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!! You and I are old as fuck because that's EXACTLY where I read it. I've had a subscription to that for about 4 years running now. Later, QD.
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I have no problem w/ people who want to come here and work but unfortunately we have laws to which everyone must obey. The problem we have is our GOV isn't designed to deal w/ such. If you are here illegally you basically have a GET OUT OF JAIL CARD. You can use gov't services and healthcare for FREE; basically kill someone get deported and be back in US in weeks. Sorry but that isn't fair to the people who were born here or came here legally. Agree or not they are breaking the law.
Welcome to the United states of America .. Paul..
Paul I agree with the whole "SEND THEM BACK" .. but, not all are bad.... I think they should atleast be given a chance to get legalized.. once they reach this land.. if it doesnt work send them back..
Thats all im trying to say.... I mean, look at the cubans when they get here.. they go into protection...?
makes no sense. .....
Anyways.. learn to live with it Gringo's.. they are not going anywhere...
This country have bigger things to worry about right now then some wetbacks jumping over...
I mean, dont blame illegals for the housing thieves that killed the banking systems..
I mean, dont blame illegals for starting the war in Iraq 20 years ago..
I mean, dont blame the illegals for taking lower end jobs the mostly AMERICAN pay...
I mean, dont blame the illegals for us having a lame as president right now..
Is a circle guys.. and we are wasting time talking about it..
This country is screwed thanks to us, the AMERICAN's... We have people within our own country that fucked the system in anyway possible i to their benefit... One way, hirring illegals for dead end jobs.....
I mean, that wasnt helping and is been done for years....
Once again.. I'm with the whole "send them back"... But some of us need a chin check before we spit..
Don't hire them.. Make it difficult for them to get jobs.. But we all know.. that will never HAPPEN.. why... why... because we all know this country was built on GREED..... and BTW, Greed is not a bad thing....
Thats all.
u and me sir are in the same page.
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I'm on the page as well. Our country is in a state of disarray because of the legals. Not the illegals. Later, QD.
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This was tried back in the 80's and resulted in even more of these criminals. How can you say that not all are bad when the very fact that they are here makes them a criminal?
Slightly different circumstances. Except when castro was emptying prisions into the US, the people coming over here are escaping an oppressive society.
Really? You dont think what amounts to an invasion is something to worry about? How about when Al Qaeda uses the same routes into the US? Is it still no big deal? Who cares if they smuggle in a few hundred pounds of sarin gas? Why should I care that if people can simply walk into the country that someone with nuke material can do the same thing?
This country does have bigger problems than the actual criminals represent, they are just the physical manifestation of it. Our borders are a seive and that puts EVERYONE in danger.
Those housing theives would be congress, and as usual, they are completly incompetant on yet another issue that should be obvious.
greed of politicians that refuse to enact laws that force businesses to hire americans. There was a city up in PA that enact such strict laws that illegals left over night and abandoned everything they couldnt put on their backs. Laws that would basicly put businesses out of business for hiring them. If they are caught they are having all of their posessions confiscated, If you are caught renting to an illegal, you can also lose the property. They no longer have a problem in illegals. Why shouldnt those same laws be passed here?
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