Is there anyone not concerned with the economy?

[BanginJimmy]

congratulations on the lockheed deal.

Thanks, I just hope I get the job

you're half right...the finger pointing and "scare tactics" come from ALL directions though. FOX news is a perfect example...they completely reject ANY FORM of stimulus plan period. senate/house republicans feel like a "poor" stimulus plan will RUIN AMERICAN, which is also a scare tactic...much like obama's political scare tactics. our problems are the result of partisanship...bottom line. wall st. is just as bad...we had a bad run tuesday all because washington "introduced an idea" and wallstreet felt like it didn't contain enough information.

I know the scare tactic come from all sides, but I agree with FOX and I dont like a bill that enlarges govt covertly by calling it stimulous. MSNBC can also be knocked on, I was flipping through channels and one of the talking heads did his Bill O'Rielly impersonation and was berrating a Harvard economist. He, the talking head, said that people working for a sucessful branch of a business, they used currency trading as an example, should not get their bonus if the company received bailout money. The economist came back with the fact that most of those traders work on an ~ 20k salary and really make their money through bonuses. The talking head came back and said that didnt matter, that no one should receive a bonus if the company gets bailout money. He ended the segment by saying he believed the banking industry should be nationalized.

oh, and that 150M for honey bee insurance ISN'T WASTEFUL. honeybees are a necessity for our food production (pollination). i've seen specials on discovery on how the bees are just dying off at ridiculous rates. imagine how many bee-keepers we have that're losing their bee farms (which, are SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS), and what would happen if bees just died out in america... instead of spending 150M to insure the bee farms, we'd be spending 150M to buy a box of oranges.

I know about the issue with bees dying, but 150M in insurance does nothing for them. Now if that 150M went to a research grant to find the cause of it I would have no problems with it. Again though, this is not stimulous. This is ordinary spending and should be addressed as such.

Just like the PEL grant money should be addressed as ordinary spending and several dozen other projects. Most of these are good projects that help Americas future, they are simply added to the wrong peice of legislation.

You didnt mention the ~5B for community groups though, and especially a certain community group under investigation by the feds and about 15 states for voter fraud.

the bill does have some pork in it...i can't deny that, but it's not NEARLY as wasteful as a lot of people are making it seem. top economist have said that it's 70-80 percent effective, which is damn good considering it's a product of OUR GOVERNMENT.

That 70% number is completely baseless according to most people. Obama doesnt even know where it comes from. I dont know of any top economist that said it would be 70-80% sucessful. Only Biden said that. The CBO on the other hand said it would result in a .1-.3% drop in GDP by 2012 and would create less than half of the jobs claimed by Obama.

the war is important, but i don't think it's keeping our economy strong. take into consideration what we're spending. we're funding something we can't afford (and with no financial gain), in order to maintain jobs....what good is that? what happens when we get ourselves into so much debt that our money is practically useless? all of those people making "damn good money" now have it for no damn good reason. war can be profitable, but so can diplomacy. pulling all of our troops out of the REGION may not be the best idea, but we definitely need to revamp the whole "operation."

I dont think the war is keeping the economy strong, but it just might be enough to prevent that final piece of straw from falling onto the camels back.

What happens when our money is useless? Easy, there will be some form of revolution. I dont know if it will result in massive bloodshed, but it will result in a complete re-organization of our country. In the last 30 years liberal groups have basicly voided many provisions of the Constitution. I dont mean by enacting laws that conflicr with them either. I mean that liberl judges have "interpreted" it to something that it never was. 1 case that immediately comes to mind is the case where child rapists could be sentenced to death. The Supreme Court shot it down saying it violated the 8th Amendment. Justice Kennedy went on to say that a "national consensus" determined that the sentence was too severe. What does the supreme court have to do with the census? They are supposed to interpret the Constitution, not use their position as a tool to advance their agenda.



Sorry for being a bit long winded.