What about the leaders who maintained lax discipline/supervision. Someone at some level of command there should have prevented what happened.Originally Posted by BanginJimmy
I'm like the Israelis. I couldnt possibly care less what a country that doesnt like us anyways think about us.
I agree completely. Those at the top were not doing their jobs, but the military has already addressed this issue. The commander and XO were both relieved with letters in their jacket that will prevent them from ever getting another command. The top enlisted was basicly retired. Those that physically committed the offenses have been tried and found guilty.
How much further should they go up the chain?
There is a slight difference in that analogy, in that Israel doesn't hold itself up to the rest of the world as the 'shining light of democracy'. That said, I unconditionally support Israel in their struggles, and hope that the US continues to do so as well.
Also, it damaged the opinion of our Allies as well as the "countries that don't like us anyway".
The only unconditional ally we have is England and they have been there with us the entire way, even though they have a PM that campaigned agaisnt the war.
Germany, France and all the others are fair weather fans of ours. We could do no wrong in WWII when we were saving their ass, but they have continually harassed us since then. We even had to deal with France, Germany, and Russia supplying Iraq with military equipment during the embargo. These were the same countries that benefitted mostly with the oil for food scandal.
simple, they arent American's, so therefore they arent subject to the same rights we have.
I think you missed the point.
my point is they dont have rights, they arent innocent until proven guilty. imo they are guilty until proven innocent
So you believe that the Constitution should be a matter of convenience, rather than a matter of principle and conscience. Ok.......
no the constitution is reserved for those that are Americans.So you believe that the Constitution should be a matter of convenience, rather than a matter of principle and conscience. Ok.......
I actually agre with super chicken to a degree. We should hold ourselves to a higher standard than others hold themselves.
not when they are trying to wage war with us i dont.
OBAMA=EPIC FAIL!
So, by extension, you advocate kidnappings and televised beheadings of the so-called perpetrators?
I will agree with your position on one condition, and one condition ONLY:
that the USA immediately ceases to represent itself to the world as the beacon of democracy and justice for all. Anything less is simply Nationalized Hypocrisy in the extreme. I truly want to believe that we, as a nation, are better than that. Were we to adopt your stance, I think we damage ourselves more than we impact our opponents; and negate many of the ideals that have given us reason to enjoy the national pride that has helped shape this country over the last 200+ years.
Buddy of mine that I work with is in the reserves in the "ceebeas" for the navy. they do a lot of construction and what not...he was given the option to deploy for 6 months and help take down bases and what not.
according to what he's being told they are withdrawing 20% of the troops from the sandbox over the next year or two...its not exactly what Obama wanted, but he's coming to terms that we'll never be fully out of the middle east.
+1 for Obama, and I'm a republican.
not with televised beheadings(or any beheadings), dont let what i said get out of hand. i just dont think they deserve the same rights as an American, especially when they are at war with us. even the illegals that come here to work and better themselves deserve more than them.So, by extension, you advocate kidnappings and televised beheadings of the so-called perpetrators?
I will agree with your position on one condition, and one condition ONLY:
that the USA immediately ceases to represent itself to the world as the beacon of democracy and justice for all. Anything less is simply Nationalized Hypocrisy in the extreme. I truly want to believe that we, as a nation, are better than that. Were we to adopt your stance, I think we damage ourselves more than we impact our opponents; and negate many of the ideals that have given us reason to enjoy the national pride that has helped shape this country over the last 200+ years.
but hey, if you want to behead them, go for it.
No, beheading is barbaric, period. But I do feel that applying our standards and ideals to everyone, regardless, shows that we are willing to walk the walk, rather than just talk the talk. Selective application of our national principles diminishes us as a nation. We SHOULD hold ourselves to a higher standard.
i dont have a problem with holding ourselves to higher standard with people that deserve it, these people dont.
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