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    Quote Originally Posted by Maniako
    It'll be pretty retarded to say that everything happened by chance and that everything was created by nothing. I understand why people will argue this. It's dumb and just doesn't make sense. But saying that the 'God' mentioned 'in' the bible was responsible for all of 'this' is also pretty dumb.
    On this, I understand your point completely. It is not necessarily the Christian God that created everything - if you are using scientific observation.
    Any belief in a deity is just that - faith. And that is up to the individual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David88vert
    Your example is that of a bacterium having a mutation, not the creation of a new species - they are still bacterium. There is a huge difference between the two. There are lots of mutations in this world, in fact, plenty of humans have them also. But that does not mean that you suddenly can go form homo sapiens to homo erectus. In fact, they can't even map all the genetic differences between the 2 species yet.

    Show me a genetic change from one species to another. That is the core belief that one species can give birth to a new improved species. Show me one species that you can definitively show transformation through natural genetic mutation. Science has yet to find an observable link between 2 species as such. Currently, all "links" are not substantiated by genetics. They have yet to show that a naturally occuring genetic mutation improves a species, and can be passed on to future offspring, to the point of creating a new species.
    There was something similar a while back...

    http://www.umich.edu/news/index.html.../Feb04/r022004

    Basically, they took e coli mutants that couldn't make the disulfide bonds needed to produce their flagella, dumped 'em in a petri dish for a game of Swim or Die. And sure enough, they managed to evolve flagella again, but this time with some other chemical instead of disulfides.

    What I got from your post is that you're not going to be satisfied until you actually see an organism evolve into an even more complex organism. Or seeing a monkey walk up-right and show signs of intelligence. I mean dude, you know as well as I do that this requires time!

    Just because we can't truly observe it doesn't mean it has mathematical errors. DNA similarities are there. What else do you have that can disprove evolution?

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