The God Delusion-Richard Dawkins

[alpine_aw11]

Alright so here's my understanding of what you're saying, in much simpler terms: "I definitely do not believe God exists, but I can't rule it out totally."
Is kind of like saying "I know for a fact that 2+2=4, but it could be 5..."

Just seems like you aren't as confident in your beliefs as you think you are. I can see how you wouldn't put yourself into the agnostic category but, it doesn't sound like you are a full blown atheist either.

Look at it this way, Dawkins describes himself exactly as I do. We are both basically positive God is not real, but it technically cannot be proven even though evidence against God is pretty overwhelming. It's strange, I know.

[metalman]

evidence against God is pretty overwhelming. I

I really have to laugh at that narrow minded statement.
Evidence totally surrounds us and is even within us of a thoughtful creative power beyond human comprehension. Saying it isnt so doesnt make it all go away. lol...
Of course...if one subscribes to philosophies without really honestly looking for evidence I would imagine it quite hard to then 'see' any evidence.
Its easy to ignore all of it (evidence) when its ones base desire to do so.

[osnap]

I really have to laugh at that narrow minded statement.
Evidence totally surrounds us and is even within us of a thoughtful creative power beyond human comprehension. Saying it isnt so doesnt make it all go away. lol...
Of course...if one subscribes to philosophies without really honestly looking for evidence I would imagine it quite hard to then 'see' any evidence.
Its easy to ignore all of it (evidence) when its ones base desire to do so.

PLEASE elaborate. You're so hard-set on laughing at him because the evidence is "so obvious", and yet you give ZERO examples. I challenge you to produce ONE piece of evidence to support the presence of the omniscient Christian God... and I don't mean "Oh, well look how intricate and beautiful this plant is and how huge the universe is", etc, becuase that is not in any way evidence that there is a God. It is evidence that our world and universe is indeed very complex, and I can certainly understand how people could interpret that as a probable reason to believe in a divine God, but its NOT evidence. Saying "oh theres evidence but its beyond human comprehension" is a complete cop-out, because if something can't even be fathomed, it certainly can't be identified as evidence.

There IS, however, that grilled cheese sandwich with the Virgin Mary's face - now THAT is a sign

All jokes aside... Seriously, amuse me. Show me the proof.

[alpine_aw11]

PLEASE elaborate. You're so hard-set on laughing at him because the evidence is "so obvious", and yet you give ZERO examples. I challenge you to produce ONE piece of evidence to support the presence of the omniscient Christian God... and I don't mean "Oh, well look how intricate and beautiful this plant is and how huge the universe is", etc, becuase that is not in any way evidence that there is a God. It is evidence that our world and universe is indeed very complex, and I can certainly understand how people could interpret that as a probable reason to believe in a divine God, but its NOT evidence. Saying "oh theres evidence but its beyond human comprehension" is a complete cop-out, because if something can't even be fathomed, it certainly can't be identified as evidence.

There IS, however, that grilled cheese sandwich with the Virgin Mary's face - now THAT is a sign

All jokes aside... Seriously, amuse me. Show me the proof.

What he said.

And when I say no evidence that there is a God, I mean in the sense of how God is presented by various religions. Imo it is ridiculous to believe in a supreme intelligent being as defined by Christianity, Hinduism, etc... and for that there is no proof whatsoever. If you have any, then please divulge it to the world because religions have been trying for a couple thousand years now and it hasn't worked out.

[Ran]

All jokes aside... Seriously, amuse me. Show me the proof.

I, personally, think the Prophecy of Babylon in the book of Isaiah is pretty good evidence of some sort of divination. Is it proof of God? Eh, not specifically but it's pretty strange how a prophecy (that was documented hundred of years before the actual event) were able to tell where the battle would happen, how it would happen, why it would happen, how there would be so few casualties on one side, and even gives the commanding general's identity by name. It also specifically states that no city or structure would be erected in it's place and, as you know, Babylon is still a desolate wasteland to this day.

Just something I found to be interesting.

[Z28]

Just in case folks want to follow up on this, a pretty good website is: http://www.infidels.org

It is very secular, but a lot of the conversation that occurs is half decent.

I'm agnostic, but several of their recommended readings are always interesting, too.

[David88vert]

PLEASE elaborate. You're so hard-set on laughing at him because the evidence is "so obvious", and yet you give ZERO examples. I challenge you to produce ONE piece of evidence to support the presence of the omniscient Christian God... and I don't mean "Oh, well look how intricate and beautiful this plant is and how huge the universe is", etc, becuase that is not in any way evidence that there is a God. It is evidence that our world and universe is indeed very complex, and I can certainly understand how people could interpret that as a probable reason to believe in a divine God, but its NOT evidence. Saying "oh theres evidence but its beyond human comprehension" is a complete cop-out, because if something can't even be fathomed, it certainly can't be identified as evidence.

There IS, however, that grilled cheese sandwich with the Virgin Mary's face - now THAT is a sign

All jokes aside... Seriously, amuse me. Show me the proof.

DNA, Physics, and Mathematical Probability - just to start. Study it and determine the mathematical probability that it all happened by chance. They are almost completely impossible (nothing is completely impossible).
Now that does not say that it is the Christian version of God, or actually a "deity", rather, the odds of this universe coming into existence without some sort of external influence are very unlikely mathematically.
Also, just because something is beyond your capability to comprehend it, does not mean that no one else can.
Belief in the Christian God is completely taken on faith, and nothing else. Likewise, belief that the universe spontaneously came into being from nothingness must also be taken on faith, as it cannot be completely proven or disproven currently.