its not that the battery is bad. I went to Apple and they said with 3G i would see between 6-8 hours of use...and thats what I am seeing....and its ridiculous...phone is on ebay right now, going to get a tilt and run Android on it and check it out..Then looking to get a HTC Dream aka G1 Android at the end of the month to try this new thing out...Then Christmas the Touch Pro...