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    most likely just propaganda.....but what it wasn't

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    ELECTION 2008
    2 campaigns seek 'truth' about Obama's birth
    Eligibility for presidency hinges on American citizenship

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    Posted: August 08, 2008
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    Israel Insider is reporting that analysts working separately have determined the birth certificate posted on the Daily Kos website and later on Sen. Barack Obama's "Fight the Smears" campaign website is fraudulent, and now two different actions have been launched to try and obtain the truth about the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee's birth.

    The Israel Insider report said the two analysts it interviewed both have been "able to independently discern the name 'Maya Kassandra Soetoro' from artifacts left behind in the process of forging a new fake document for Barack from an image of Maya's original document." Maya is Obama's younger half-sister.

    The report follows a posting from another researcher, identified by the news publication as Techdude, that the birth certificate is a forgery because it originally documented the birth of a woman in the 1970s.

    Blogger Mitchell Langbert now has launched an online petition to the Federal Election Commission in which signers are asking the agency to "take responsibility to verify the eligibility of Mr. Barack H. Obama to be president of the United States."

    Wrote Langbert, "Mr. Obama has refused to produce a physical certified, stamped copy of his birth certificate. An electronically displayed imaged displayed by his official campaign website has alleged to have been a forgery. … We request that the FEC require Mr. Obama to authorize the FEC to obtain an official copy of his birth certificate."

    Ted Moran, who said he wished to be contacted at [email protected], said he also was launching a campaign to discern the truth about Obama's birth certificate.

    "I am looking for 50 brave men or women from 49 states and the District of Columbia to join me in suing the secretaries of state in our respective states to prevent them from posting the name Barak H. Obama on the November 2008 ballot until he presents incontrovertible proof that he is a … U.S. citizen," he said. "The secretaries of state are the ones who by placing a person or initiative on the ballot certify that the candidates or initiatives meet the legal requirements to be on the ballot.

    "The office of the president is simply too important to trust to someone other than a person whose loyalties are 100 percent American, and while it is impossible to read into the heart of a man or woman we do have the test our forefathers gave us. Which is this office is not to be entrusted to anyone but a natural U.S. citizen," he said.

    Multiple requests over a period of several days by WND to the Obama campaign for a comment or explanation of the birth certificate issue did not generate any response.

    The Israel Insider said, "The revelation that [the birth certificate] of Obama's own sister was evidently used to create the electronic forgery represents what supporters of this analysis claim is a 'smoking gun' that appears to implicate Sen. Obama directly. Hawaii law limits access to vital records to family members only, a fact which slowed down the ability of researchers to compare the purported Obama 'birth certificate' – which displayed from the start a peculiar provenance and inexplicable features – to genuine specimens. Therefore, it would seem that either Maya K. Soetoro-Ng (as she is now called) supplied the document or its image to half-brother Barack or his campaign, or Obama/his campaign used it without her permission.

    "The stakes couldn't be higher. Even the Snopes anti-rumor site acknowledges that Obama's constitutional fitness to be president depends solely on his being born in the United States, because his mother – not yet 19 at the time of his birth – would not have had a sufficient number of years as an adult citizen, according to the laws prevailing at the time, to pass on 'natural born citizenship' automatically," the report said.

    "There have been reports, so far unconfirmed, that Obama was born outside the country, either in Kenya, his presumed father's native land, or in Canada. The fact that the Obama campaign has been touting as genuine a forgery since June 12 will likely increase pressure to not only account for the fake but produce a genuine paper birth certificate. Obama, in his book 'Dreams from My Father,' specifically mentioned having such a document in his possession, but it has not been submitted for public inspection or analysis if it in fact exists," the report said.

    The forensic computer investigators interviewed by the news publication concluded there are two obvious possibilities for the birth certificate image: A real certificate was scanned and digitally edited or a real certificate was scanned for the graphic layout, then blanked by soaking the document in solvent to remove the toner.

    The certificate was published by the Daily Kos June 12 following initial reports questioning Obama's place of birth. He's stated he was born in Hawaii, but if that was not the case, his citizenship could be uncertain, since his father was not a citizen and his mother was not old enough to pass along American citizenship automatically.

    The issue originally was raised by Jim Geraghty, reporting on the Campaign Spot, a National Review blog. He cited the "unlikely" possibility that Obama's 1961 birth was not within the U.S.

    At the time, he wrote, "If Obama were born outside the United States, one could argue that he would not meet the legal definition of natural-born citizen … because U.S. law at the time of his birth required his natural-born parent (his mother) to have resided in the United States for 10 years, at least [f]ive of which had to be after the age of 16.'"

    He then pointed out Ann Dunham, Obama's mother, was 18 when Obama was born, "so she wouldn't have met the requirement of five years after the age of 16."

    When the Daily Kos website posted an image that appeared to be Obama's birth certificate, Geraghty announced he was satisfied.

    The presumptive Republican nominee for president, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., already has gone through a similar challenge, and the U.S. Senate responded with a resolution in April declaring him to be a "'natural born Citizen' under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States."

    The article declares "no person except a natural born citizen … shall be eligible to the office of president."

    McCain was challenged because he was born to two U.S. citizens in the Panama Canal Zone.

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    interesting

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    Wow, that is an interesting twist. Hopefully, Obama and his campaign can prove them wrong. If not, I will personally........nevermind!

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    uh oh!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AirMax95
    Wow, that is an interesting twist. Hopefully, Obama and his campaign can prove them wrong. If not, I will personally........nevermind!
    Always interesting when some personally neverminds.


    This really will be an interesting story to follow.
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    That is bs, man there are starting to be a lot of haters
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turblag
    That is bs, man there are starting to be a lot of haters



    This is true.



    Maybe next time we should pick a random old asian man off the street and make him run. Nobody will know anything about him, so hopefully those jerks won't ask questions and will just vote for him.


    What a bunch of meanies.


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    tr00f is coming on one way or another

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucky DAWG
    This is true.



    Maybe next time we should pick a random old asian man off the street and make him run. Nobody will know anything about him, so hopefully those jerks won't ask questions and will just vote for him.


    What a bunch of meanies.


    lol, I agree. Because they try to find or make up random stuff, to get people riled up.
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    I heard Mccain was born in Puerto Rico.

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    ehhh if he wasnt a citizen it would have come out by now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. KiDD
    ehhh if he wasnt a citizen it would have come out by now

    if mr. kidd dont believe bad about obama it really aint tru...

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    i just think its propaghanda just like the book that bush forged documents about the Iraq war.

    Offly convenient it comes out NOW in the middle of an election
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    I'm pretty sure he would have to undergo a rigorous background check to be a senator. Its not like we are talking about someone making fake papers for themselves to get a job at Burger King. He's been privy to a lot of sensitive information so I'm sure he was put through an extensive background check.

    Just more slanderous hogwash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Total_Blender
    I'm pretty sure he would have to undergo a rigorous background check to be a senator.

    This brings up an interesting point. Obama would NOT qualify for a a top secret clearance if he was a regular citizen and applying for a job with an intelligence agency. The mear mention of his friendship with Ayers would be enough to exclude him.




    As far as the rest of the story goes I think its pure BS by some right wing conspracy theorists. I do think he should have to show physical proof of being a natural citizen though before he can run. Hell, I had to show mine just to get married.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucky DAWG
    This is true.



    Maybe next time we should pick a random old asian man off the street and make him run. Nobody will know anything about him, so hopefully those jerks won't ask questions and will just vote for him.


    What a bunch of meanies.


    ok that was actually kinda funny...and i'm definitely down for the asian idea

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevykev
    I heard Mccain was born in Puerto Rico.
    no he was actually born in panama, but to 2 natural born citizens of the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Total_Blender
    I'm pretty sure he would have to undergo a rigorous background check to be a senator. Its not like we are talking about someone making fake papers for themselves to get a job at Burger King. He's been privy to a lot of sensitive information so I'm sure he was put through an extensive background check.

    Just more slanderous hogwash.
    pretty certain you don't have to be a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN to be senator though, and that's the item that's of interest here

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    Quote Originally Posted by shagwAg3n
    no he was actually born in panama, but to 2 natural born citizens of the US.
    I stand corrected!


    LOL @ you for not getting the joke, or using it as an opportunity to spread knowledge!

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    damn you should've posted the audio to that!!!

    POST UPPP!

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    Quote Originally Posted by shagwAg3n
    pretty certain you don't have to be a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN to be senator though, and that's the item that's of interest here

    you are correct...have to be over 30 years old, a resident of the state they are running for, and a u.s. citizen for atleast 9 years at election time i believe
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    You people are making me work too hard. I don't even support obama and this is the second time in as many days i'm off snopesing emails you guys get forwarded to you...

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp

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    The minimum qualifications for the presidency of the United States specified in Article II of the Constitution are few and seemingly straightforward: In order to be President, a person must be a natural-born citizen of the United States, must be at least thirty-five years old, and must have been a resident of the United States for fourteen years.

    These qualifications aren't quite so straightforward as they might seem, however. For example, what does the phrase "fourteen years a resident within the United States" mean? Can those fourteen years be cumulative, or do they have to be consecutive? Do the fourteen years of U.S. residency have to
    immediately precede the presidential election, or can they have occurred at any period in a candidate's life? These were issues that confronted Herbert Hoover, who, because of his work (first for a British mining firm, and later for the U.S. government during World War I), had spent a good deal of time abroad and returned to the U.S. less than fourteen years prior to his election to the presidency in 1928.



    Likewise, the "natural-born citizen" requirement is not so straightforward either, because the Constitution didn't define what a natural-born citizen was. (The definition of "natural-born citizen" was left up to individual states to decide until the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment in 1868, but even that amendment has been subject to further interpretation.) What qualifies a person for natural-born citizenship status under U.S. law can be quite complicated, depending on factors such as where the person was born, when he was born, where he and his parents lived, and the nationalities of his parents.

    Some of these factors might seemingly come into play in the case of (presumptive) Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama. Although his mother was herself a natural-born U.S. citizen, his father was a Kenyan national, and his parents may or may not have been legally married in the eyes of U.S. law. Moreover, his parents split up when he was but a toddler, and his mother soon afterwards married another foreign national and moved with Barack to Indonesia.

    The item quoted above posits that Barack Obama does not qualify as a natural-born citizen of the U.S. because the law in effect at the time he was born specified that "If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16." Since Barack Obama only had one U.S. citizen parent (his mother), and his mother had not been residing in the U.S. for at least five years after the age of 16 when Barack was born (because she herself was only 18 at the time), then he's not a natural-born citizen.

    A few facets of this claim immediately jump out as being far-fetched: first, that a sitting U.S. Senator who has already spent a good deal of time and money securing his party's nomination for the presidency would suddenly be discovered as ineligible due to an obscure provision of U.S. law; and second, that U.S. law would essentially penalize someone who would otherwise qualify for natural-born citizenship status simply because his mother was too young. The fact is, the qualifications listed in the example quoted above are moot because they refer to someone who was born outside the United States. Since Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, they do not apply to him.

    The Fourteenth Amendment states that "all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States." Since Hawaii is part of the United States, even if Barack Obama's parents were both non-U.S. citizens who hadn't even set foot in the country until just before he was born, he'd still qualify as a natural-born citizen.

    Some have claimed that Barack Obama's Hawaiian birthplace doesn't qualify him as a natural-born citizen because Hawaii was not yet a state when he was born. This claim is wrong: Hawaii was admitted as the 50th state almost two years before Barack Obama's birth there (21 August 1959 for statehood vs. 4 August 1961 for Obama's birthdate).

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    i'm posting bs? are you retarded? did i not say it could very well be propaganda?

    not to mention your copy and paste in the illegible font from snopes is pretty worthless considering that while it talks about the SAME TOPIC, it's not the same news i posted up.

    snopes addresses the hoopla about his eligibility for citizenship based on his mother's citizenship status, and that email got passed around in JUNE. this article was posted last week, and is more about a potential forgery of his actual birth certificate. get your sh*t straight before pretending to be some kinda omnipotent prick

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    You did say it could be propaganda...missed that o_O my bad.

    And the snopes article (which i can read fine, btw) addresses the same concerns as are in the article you posted up, even if it's not the exact same email.

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    obama is black u no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shagwAg3n
    snopes addresses the hoopla about his eligibility for citizenship based on his mother's citizenship status, and that email got passed around in JUNE. this article was posted last week, and is more about a potential forgery of his actual birth certificate.
    Quote Originally Posted by shagwAg3n
    pretty certain you don't have to be a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN to be senator though, and that's the item that's of interest here
    Which one is it? Because I'm pretty sure someone at the NSA verified his birth certificate before he was given the keys to his office. And if the NSA has cleared it then it should be fine. And if he was spit forth from his mothers womb in Hawaii in 1961 then the race or nationality of neither of his parents would matter, he would still be an American citizen.

    Its not like the rules are followed to the letter in the electoral process anymore anyhow

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    wow...

    just wow......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turblag
    lol, I agree. Because they try to find or make up random stuff, to get people riled up.


    I was being sarcastic and you took my post entirely in the other direction lol, but okay




    What i mean is that it is good we ask questions about Obama. I'd rather have the flame under his seat and find out who he really is rather then let some guy who hasn't even been around 5 years to become an overnight Celebrity and take the presidency without a fight.



    This goes the same for McCain if he was a new comer, except the guy has been around for ages. The majority of his flaws have been exposed already, hes far from a clean slate himself. Obama just entered the spot light so it seems one sided, but in reality its far from that and the media favors Obama if anything.
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