who else is finding this slightly offensive or just plain old?

[AirMax95]

Dude, first off, if you're going to post, do it in a color we can read.

Second, I'd rather you put a **** in my mouth than words! I didn't say " there are black people that would rather live off of government assistance rather than do for themselves" what I said was (and I quote) "We are trying to provide opportunity for those that have not worked for it or made the responsible decisions that open up opportunities for themselves." I never said black, I said "those". Black, white, tan, brown. . . or in my mom's case. . . black and blue. We have equal rights, not equal opportunity. Social programs for the poor without required progress only feeds the disease. I have a plethora of studies to back that up. They have helped nothing but to sustain economic, social and cultural apathy.

Third, I never profiled myself or other white males as " victims because of issues like affirmative action." You are only a victim if something is done to you, not because you're in the same environment. For instance, if I'm dining in a nice Italian establishment and some mobster busts in and shoots a couple of guys in the head, I am not a victim of murder, I just have to deal with being in a sh/tty environment at the time. (why does it have to be Italian??) I am not a victim of affirmative action, I just have to deal with operating economically within the sh/tty environment that short-sighted bureacrats created.

Oh, and if anybody is broadcasting (as you say) "the negative stereotypes, which we're all used to seeing on a daily basis." you might want to tune into BET, the latest and greatest rap video, black magazine, or wayman brothers production. And, once again - nobody says they can't discuss the issue or have a program on the situation. That's not the issue that started the thread. The issue is that it's continually being crammed down our throats.

Finally, nobody said anything about ethnic minorities being underqualified, so take that race baiting bullsh/t somewhere else.

You font color is white and I can't see it on my screen.......

[BobbyFresco]

Affirmative action is nothing more than govt endorsed discrimination.

While it may have had its used 20 years ago the need for this program has passed. Businesses are out to make money, not simply hire their friends. If the black man is more qualified then 99 of 100 times he is going to be hired, but if the white man is more qualified then the HR rep has to make sure he has sufficient blacks on the payrole before hiring the white guy.

I ahve never asked for special privlage and I dont want it, why is it wrong of me to think that no one else should have it either?

There's no doubt that affirmative action has outgrown its original intent and purpose. I agree with that notion completely and feel that people need to be self accountable and responsible for their futures...However, ppl fail to realize that aa didn't just "benefit" black people because other ethnicities and women did as well.

[BobbyFresco]

EDITED FOR COLOR RED = CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW!?!?



Dude, first off, if you're going to post, do it in a color we can read.

Second, I'd rather you put a **** in my mouth than words! I didn't say " there are black people that would rather live off of government assistance rather than do for themselves" what I said was (and I quote) "We are trying to provide opportunity for those that have not worked for it or made the responsible decisions that open up opportunities for themselves." I never said black, I said "those". Black, white, tan, brown. . . or in my mom's case. . . black and blue. We have equal rights, not equal opportunity. Social programs for the poor without required progress only feeds the disease. I have a plethora of studies to back that up. They have helped nothing but to sustain economic, social and cultural apathy.

Third, I never profiled myself or other white males as " victims because of issues like affirmative action." You are only a victim if something is done to you, not because you're in the same environment. For instance, if I'm dining in a nice Italian establishment and some mobster busts in and shoots a couple of guys in the head, I am not a victim of murder, I just have to deal with being in a sh/tty environment at the time. (why does it have to be Italian??) I am not a victim of affirmative action, I just have to deal with operating economically within the sh/tty environment that short-sighted bureacrats created.

Oh, and if anybody is broadcasting (as you say) "the negative stereotypes, which we're all used to seeing on a daily basis." you might want to tune into BET, the latest and greatest rap video, black magazine, or wayman brothers production. And, once again - nobody says they can't discuss the issue or have a program on the situation. That's not the issue that started the thread. The issue is that it's continually being crammed down our throats.

Finally, nobody said anything about ethnic minorities being underqualified, so take that race baiting bullsh/t somewhere else.

First off, did I quote you or direct my post specifically towards you?

I actually agreed wth your initial post so do me a favor and take that guilty conscience/defensive shyt somewhere else....

[DevilK9]

....and now back to our previously scheduled programming...

....an African American, applying for employment as a data entry clerk, is speaking with the general manager (a complete RACIST!!)

Employer: I really don't want you to work here you f/ckin (insert racial slur)
Applicant: Oh, well Affirmative Action says you have to fire me
Employer: I know, but I'm going to make your life a living hell. I have to hire you, not promote you, and not give you any room for personal advancement!! Ha Ha F/CKER!
Applicant: That'll be fine. At least I have a job.
Employer: I'm going to make sure you do nothing putting on a resume your entire time here, and that you get paid at the lowest level possible.
Applicant: Thank you sir!
Employer: Oh, and you can forget about a recommendation.

Do you want to work in this environment? Didn't think so.

Yah...Affirmative Action was AWESOME!

[DevilK9]

that guilty conscience/defensive shyt

Go f/ck yourself. I have nothing to feel guilty for. If you knew me, my background you'd realize how ignorant you really are.

[BobbyFresco]

Go f/ck yourself. I have nothing to feel guilty for. If you knew me, my background you'd realize how ignorant you really are.

LOLOLOL....Funny how you left out the rest of what I said....You jumped my ass because you somehow got the impression through my post that I was directing it towards you, but I'm ignorant.....I corrected you and went on to state that I agreed with your original post, and you have yet to acknowledge that, but I'm ignorant....LOL....Seems like the ignorant one here is you, my friend...

You may now take your foot out of your mouth.

[AirMax95]

....and now back to our previously scheduled programming...

....an African American, applying for employment as a data entry clerk, is speaking with the general manager (a complete RACIST!!)

Employer: I really don't want you to work here you f/ckin (insert racial slur)
Applicant: Oh, well Affirmative Action says you have to fire me
Employer: I know, but I'm going to make your life a living hell. I have to hire you, not promote you, and not give you any room for personal advancement!! Ha Ha F/CKER!
Applicant: That'll be fine. At least I have a job.
Employer: I'm going to make sure you do nothing putting on a resume your entire time here, and that you get paid at the lowest level possible.
Applicant: Thank you sir!
Employer: Oh, and you can forget about a recommendation.

Do you want to work in this environment? Didn't think so.

Yah...Affirmative Action was AWESOME!

It will not be voiced like that at all.

When I go into an interview, I know my shyt. I know that every requirement on that paper is in my knowledge bank. I prove to an employer that I can do that shyt better than anybody (pick a color or race, I will own your ass, lol).

Seriously, I have worked in office enviroments where I am the "token black guy". This time I have to other black people that I know are in the office, but we are in completely different departments. One is the VP of Enginering Design, the other is a HR manager. I am pretty sure they didnt get their jobs off AA.

When you know your stuff, it shows and people will hire you to do a job.

Hell, my job powers our national distribution cost saving initiative pretty sure an AA candidate wouldnt get that job, lol.

[DevilK9]

I will concede that I assumed direction wrongly by quoting you, and I appreciate that you agree with me.

I will however still strongly disagree with you. I believe you are ignorant on the true legislative and economic scope of Affirmative Action. This assumption comes from the context of your posts. No quotes.

[DevilK9]

I'm not saying that all jobs acquired by folks of ethnic nature are products of AA. I'm simply saying that it forces biased employers into a negative internal relationship.

If the potential employer is going to hate and despise you, why would you WANT to work for them?

That's as deep as that commentary went. Nothing about stereotypes or umbrella qualifications.

[AirMax95]

I'm not saying that all jobs acquired by folks of ethnic nature are products of AA. I'm simply saying that it forces biased employers into a negative internal relationship.

If the potential employer is going to hate and despise you, why would you WANT to work for them?

That's as deep as that commentary went. Nothing about stereotypes or umbrella qualifications.

I understand your point, but you will never know if that person doesnt like you. You can gauge the vibe in the interview, but phuck it, I don't even think about it.....

My post was really just to show the AA is needed, but dont rely on it. It does not apply to jobs over a certain career level or job function. If someone doesnt like a race/color, then you wouldnt get a higher up job if they didnt want you to have it. I feel AA is for the lower level, non-professional job fields. Just my opinion, bash if you like.

[DevilK9]

No, I won't bash. You have a solid point.

I simply don't believe in the constitutional basis upon which the law is built, and I have a serious problem with some of the backdoor details that it forces upon employers. Too much regulation.

Any employer that hires by race rather than ability or qualifications is going to fail anyway. It's a global market, and such cultural indiscretions will inevitably bring premature failure.

[AirMax95]

Yeah, every law on the books has a backdoor that benefits some more than others.

My personal backdoor is a solid education or trade. Either one gives you an outlet: Land a good job, or say phuck em and start your own business!

[DevilK9]

say phuck em and start your own business!

That's my goal!

[BanginJimmy]

It will not be voiced like that at all.

When I go into an interview, I know my shyt. I know that every requirement on that paper is in my knowledge bank. I prove to an employer that I can do that shyt better than anybody (pick a color or race, I will own your ass, lol).

Seriously, I have worked in office enviroments where I am the "token black guy". This time I have to other black people that I know are in the office, but we are in completely different departments. One is the VP of Enginering Design, the other is a HR manager. I am pretty sure they didnt get their jobs off AA.

When you know your stuff, it shows and people will hire you to do a job.

Hell, my job powers our national distribution cost saving initiative pretty sure an AA candidate wouldnt get that job, lol.

Your point just proved the fact that Affirmative Action is beyond its usefulness.

[AirMax95]

Your point just proved the fact that Affirmative Action is beyond its usefulness.

I was never completely defending it. In its current form, it is only needed at certain levels of employment, not all.

[tony]

Boo ****ing hoo, theres a special on being "Black in America" on a network based in ATLANTA, where.. *gasp* BLACK PEOPLE LIVE and work, and probably hold high executive positions to get something like this on CNN. The show is an investigative special on how it is to be Black in this country, seriously if that offends you then you really need to grow up and live in the real world.. there are issues that pertain to the black community that is often overlooked in the mainstream media, and its pretty good if you just sit and watch rather than judge based on the title.

It's weak for someone to whine about a show the focuses on a specific demographic. It's no different than a show on hispanics who migrate to america, slavery, how Asian Americans live here. Basically, get over it.

Just out of curiosity, who here has watched the first half of it?

[tony]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uH0vpGZJCo

More than anything I could ever say on Affirmative Action.

[AirMax95]

Boo ****ing hoo, theres a special on being "Black in America" on a network based in ATLANTA, where.. *gasp* BLACK PEOPLE LIVE and work, and probably hold high executive positions to get something like this on CNN. The show is an investigative special on how it is to be Black in this country, seriously if that offends you then you really need to grow up and live in the real world.. there are issues that pertain to the black community that is often overlooked in the mainstream media, and its pretty good if you just sit and watch rather than judge based on the title.

It's weak for someone to whine about a show the focuses on a specific demographic. It's no different than a show on hispanics who migrate to america, slavery, how Asian Americans live here. Basically, get over it.

Just out of curiosity, who here has watched the first half of it?

No one will ever understand, esp on this board.


I missed it, sadly. I hope to catch it if they show it again. I am watching the 2nd part tonight though.

[2turbo4u]

The series been going on for about two months now on CNN. It's now getting more attention from all sorts of people. P.B.S also haves a program close to this. On the CNN program they spoke to a white employer and ask him if he would hire a black man who was a college grad. He said he would rather hire a white ex-con before hiring a black that was college educated. He states that blacks were lazy!

[AirMax95]

The series been going on for about two months now on CNN. It's now getting more attention from all sorts of people. P.B.S also haves a program close to this. On the CNN program they spoke to a white employer and ask him if he would hire a black man who was a college grad. He said he would rather hire a white ex-con before hiring a black that was college educated. He states that blacks were lazy!

Scary ****.......sad, but there are really people that take stereotypes and blanket them.

[MistaCee]

Boo ****ing hoo, theres a special on being "Black in America" on a network based in ATLANTA, where.. *gasp* BLACK PEOPLE LIVE and work, and probably hold high executive positions to get something like this on CNN. The show is an investigative special on how it is to be Black in this country, seriously if that offends you then you really need to grow up and live in the real world.. there are issues that pertain to the black community that is often overlooked in the mainstream media, and its pretty good if you just sit and watch rather than judge based on the title.

It's weak for someone to whine about a show the focuses on a specific demographic. It's no different than a show on hispanics who migrate to america, slavery, how Asian Americans live here. Basically, get over it.

Just out of curiosity, who here has watched the first half of it?

I watched it.

[tony]

I watched it.

What'd you think?

[stephen]

Boo ****ing hoo, theres a special on being "Black in America" on a network based in ATLANTA, where.. *gasp* BLACK PEOPLE LIVE and work, and probably hold high executive positions to get something like this on CNN. The show is an investigative special on how it is to be Black in this country, seriously if that offends you then you really need to grow up and live in the real world.. there are issues that pertain to the black community that is often overlooked in the mainstream media, and its pretty good if you just sit and watch rather than judge based on the title.

It's weak for someone to whine about a show the focuses on a specific demographic. It's no different than a show on hispanics who migrate to america, slavery, how Asian Americans live here. Basically, get over it.

Just out of curiosity, who here has watched the first half of it?

You stole the words right from my mouth. I was wondering if anyone who has a problem with the show, actually took the time to WATCH IT and understand what it was really about. There was little to nothing about "what the white man has taken from us" on there. It's kind of sad to see that a black person (the OP) took nothing from the program aside from being "offended" or thinking "it's just plain old."

When I started hearing all of the statistics:
18% of the population is black.
1 in 3 black children are born into or grow up in poverty.
black children rank the LOWEST IN THE WORLD in school systems.
50% of all black women aren't married or have never been married, yet 40% of black children are born to single mothers.
40% of murders committed involve black people, and in Baltimore, black people make up 98% of the murders committed.

That sh!t hit home hard for me. They have a 10yr old boy on the show who is part of a study (he gets paid to make good grades), and his plan with his money is to help his father pay the bills. A lot of young black kids aren't shown the importance of education, and become products of their environment. They start getting into "fast money," but don't understand that lifestyle has no long-term benefits.

The show is more of a wake-up call if nothing more...not some "kill/hate whitey" campaign. I know many parts of my life fall into those statistics. I grew up in a single parent home, where if my mom didn't have it...then we didn't get it (1 mother raising 2 kids). I remember times of having to light candles because the power was off, or boiling water to take a hot bath because our gas was off, or my mother buying fabric from Wal-Mart to make us "new" clothes for our first day of school...the list goes on. My mother emphasized the importance of education to me and my little sister. From 4th grade until I graduated I was in a "High Achievers" program. Graduated HS, and got a scholarship. Graduated College, and will now be going back for a 2nd degree. Now I'm able to satisfy my materialistic side (I bought my Porsche at the age of 23) that a lot of people in general only dream of, and I owe it all to education.

I truly hope that show inspired (or will inspire) atleast one black youth to see the importance of education, and get a better hold on life.

[AirMax95]

You stole the words right from my mouth. I was wondering if anyone who has a problem with the show, actually took the time to WATCH IT and understand what it was really about. There was little to nothing about "what the white man has taken from us" on there. It's kind of sad to see that a black person (the OP) took nothing from the program aside from being "offended" or thinking "it's just plain old."

When I started hearing all of the statistics:
18% of the population is black.
1 in 3 black children are born into or grow up in poverty.
black children rank the LOWEST IN THE WORLD in school systems.
50% of all black women aren't married or have never been married, yet 40% of black children are born to single mothers.
40% of murders committed involve black people, and in Baltimore, black people make up 98% of the murders committed.

That sh!t hit home hard for me. They have a 10yr old boy on the show who is part of a study (he gets paid to make good grades), and his plan with his money is to help his father pay the bills. A lot of young black kids aren't shown the importance of education, and become products of their environment. They start getting into "fast money," but don't understand that lifestyle has no long-term benefits.

The show is more of a wake-up call if nothing more...not some "kill/hate whitey" campaign. I know many parts of my life fall into those statistics. I grew up in a single parent home, where if my mom didn't have it...then we didn't get it (1 mother raising 2 kids). I remember times of having to light candles because the power was off, or boiling water to take a hot bath because our gas was off, or my mother buying fabric from Wal-Mart to make us "new" clothes for our first day of school...the list goes on. My mother emphasized the importance of education to me and my little sister. From 4th grade until I graduated I was in a "High Achievers" program. Graduated HS, and got a scholarship. Graduated College, and will now be going back for a 2nd degree. Now I'm able to satisfy my materialistic side (I bought my Porsche at the age of 23) that a lot of people in general only dream of, and I owe it all to education.

I truly hope that show inspired (or will inspire) atleast one black youth to see the importance of education, and get a better hold on life.

Excellent........

We need more people like yourself in society giving back (if you have the time). Mentoring one child can make a difference. Not every child get the chance to have a parent that gives a damn and wants the best for their children.

Wake up call =
Reality check =
The "white man"=
Time to pitch in to help =
Blaming problems on the world =

[JConner]

Maybe thats because 1 in 3 black men commit crimes and get caught.





This is an excuse. Poor schools are not the reason blacks are 5x more likely to drop out of school. Entitlement programs are also a main reason that most that start their life poor stay that way. Why work when you can get paid by the govt for doing nothing?








So does being a white male. We arent allowed to have a non PC opinion without being called racist or other such words to fit the situation.

great post!!!!

[JITB]

lol/// boo hoo x2.. you guys are HILARIOUS!!!

im waiting for the ole NAACP rant!

[AirMax95]

lol/// boo hoo x2.. you guys are HILARIOUS!!!

im waiting for the ole NAACP rant!

Its coming....."they are the most racist group of

[JITB]

Did you all know that we have our own channel?

[AirMax95]

^^^who is we?

[Bballjamal]

God I hope your not black.

I found the show interesting and it shows problems that the African American community needs to work through. I like how they showed that racism is not only outside the race but within it as well.

So in conclusion...

[JITB]

^^^who is we?

we as in Black people... a channel just for black people that white people cant watch... even if they do own it..

[Bballjamal]

we as in Black people... a channel just for black people that white people cant watch... even if they do own it..

You mean that channel where everything is encoded for only us to understand!

[JITB]

You mean that channel where everything is encoded for only us to understand!

exactly!

They even have a law that makes people hire black people and not hire White people!!

[Bballjamal]

exactly!

They even have a law that makes people hire black people and not hire White people!!

lolz! No one really knows all the music videos and shiet really hold small plots of world domination with our hermano's from the South and our yin yow's from the East.

[JITB]

YO! they even give u scholarships and all you got to do is........be BLACK!

[Bballjamal]

win

[0p7!mu5]

actually i have watched it. Now im not dissing the legitimate points im just sayin on the whole I have been there when i was younger and have done rather well for myself same with the folks i grew up with in New Jersey before comming here. yeah i agree with the few of you who have struggled. **** happens and became better for it.

im not so much offended but I just find the timing rather interesting with the election and all. I watch things like this very closely. Just the subject is old to me in some ways. Why wait for a special to highlight these issues? Im not sayin all of us negroes keep ourselves in the hole many of us do rather well. Im just saying that i find it funny that during such an important election something like this comes up. many of us know its hard WE GET IT.

I just wish they would do something like this not just on a racial demographic but on a social economic level like middle class people or lower as a whole. Tony I agree with you more times than not and true its not so diffrent here, yet you prved my point kind of. Im just awaiting to see less statistics and more of how not only the community but damnit congress and people personally is going to make an effort to do something more than what we are now. Like my mom says dont apologize just fix the problem.

Granted we have made major advancements (hell one half of us is on the democratic ticket) and have some way to go but lets face it on the whole knowing how apathetic most americans are is a tv show going to help? Most folks are watching American Idol. i applaud the effort I really do ( i like the fact that they do show that not all of us are being stereotypical), but I just wish that in light of the recent economic problems that shows like this would focus on a broader range of races. That's kind of where i was going with this.

[tony]

actually i have watched it. Now im not dissing the legitimate points im just sayin on the whole I have been there when i was younger and have done rather well for myself same with the folks i grew up with in New Jersey before comming here. yeah i agree with the few of you who have struggled. **** happens and became better for it.

im not so much offended but I just find the timing rather interesting with the election and all. I watch things like this very closely. Just the subject is old to me in some ways. Why wait for a special to highlight these issues? Im not sayin all of us negroes keep ourselves in the hole many of us do rather well. Im just saying that i find it funny that during such an important election something like this comes up. many of us know its hard WE GET IT.

I just wish they would do something like this not just on a racial demographic but on a social economic level like middle class people or lower as a whole. Tony I agree with you more times than not and true its not so diffrent here, yet you prved my point kind of. Im just awaiting to see less statistics and more of how not only the community but damnit congress and people personally is going to make an effort to do something more than what we are now. Like my mom says dont apologize just fix the problem.

Granted we have made major advancements (hell one half of us is on the democratic ticket) and have some way to go but lets face it on the whole knowing how apathetic most americans are is a tv show going to help? Most folks are watching American Idol. i applaud the effort I really do ( i like the fact that they do show that not all of us are being stereotypical), but I just wish that in light of the recent economic problems that shows like this would focus on a broader range of races. That's kind of where i was going with this.

I'll be honest, my initial reaction was similar to yours.. I felt it drove a wedge to make a show pertaining to only blacks in America but then I actually sat down and watched the 30 minute preview and it is an eye opener to say the least and I commend Soledad O'brien for pursuing this. The special on Dr. King was remarkable, the panel they had last week had one of my favorite economists (Roland Fryer, the guy proposing the paid incentive for school) and just the all around discussion is much needed.

It kind of shifted my focus that, in my day to day trials I set out to make an example of myself for my son. But watching the special it makes me realize that there is a much bigger responsibility, and not just the one to our own children but also try to set a path for others around us as well.. cause not all of these kids have that.

When you really sit down and think these things out rather than react to what is there on the surface, the subject matter is so engaging which is why I'm enjoying this report on Black America.

[0p7!mu5]

yeah well not having cable sucks so im down to youtube and what i read off cnn. but i feel ya there. like i said tho in general topics like this in the way they are usually portrayed are rather annoying to me. I mean I grew up in a ****ty neighborhood with steryotypical ghetto **** around but my family and i didnt feed into it same with my friends.

I look back on how far my friend and I have gotten (i shall be owning my first townhome soon and my closest friend just got back from Iraq recently and is doing well) I know I can achieve and really others can too. but yeah 9/10 most expose's (sp?) on the black race usually give more of a damn excuse imo. Welfare and programs like that has its place but there needs to be more of a push to get peopleoff it than dependent on it.