who else is finding this slightly offensive or just plain old?

[DevilK9]

I completely agree with you OP7!mu5. I'm not racist in any way, I am all for equality. Anybody who knows me knows I haven't a biggoted bone in my body. However...

(in my humble opinion)

Making up for a deficit in "opportunity" does not entail putting the downtrodden on a pedestal. There is nothing special about being black, white, red or tan. To continually focus on the problems does nothing to help.

Here's the conversation now.

US Media: Gee black people, you're really f*cked!
Black Culture: Yah, but we're working on progressing.
US Media: Gee black people, you've had it tough, you're really f*cked!
Black Culture: Yah, but we are trying to break the stereotypes of the past.
US Media: Gee black people, you're really f*cked. Here, have a month to yourself.
Black Culture: Thanks, we appreciate the publicity boost, but what is that really going to do? What we want is acceptance, not exposure.
US Media: Gee black people, you're still really f*cked. We feel bad, we're going to extend that month into January and give you a Postal Stamp.
Black Culture: Still . . . not helping.
US Media: Gee black people, you're really f*ucked. We wanna help, we're going to profile prominent black people and show how they were able to succeed by assimilating into white culture while remaining closet "black folk" on Sunday.
Black Culture: Great, we admire some of those folks too, but still...not helping.
US Media: Gee golly, black people, you're really f*cked. Why don't we study how f*cked you really are and make sure we tell everyone about it. We'll call awareness to how f*cked you are.
Black Culture: Uhhh...I don't think you're getting it.
US Media: Gee wizz, black people, you're really f*cked.

And we aren't getting it. We are trying to provide opportunity for those that have not worked for it or made the responsible decisions that open up opportunities for themselves. The most successful minority leaders were not given their success or respect, they earned it. In fact, distributing charitable advancement and opportunity only damages other groups. For instance, I'm a white lower middle class male, so in the eyes of the government and media - I'm set! I don't need any help with college, starting a small business, or even equal access to government contracts. I don't get a special on TV, because my accomplishments are expected.

The truest form of racism is continual media profiling. Not letting the conversation die only continues the development of the disease. Quit watering the weeds!

The facts are this: The world is not fair. We are equal but will not all lead equal lives.

I'm done.

[Ran]

So much win in DevilK9's post.

[DevilK9]

So much win in DevilK9's post.

Wow, that's the first time you've ever agreed with me!

Cool.

[Ran]

Wow, that's the first time you've ever agreed with me!

Cool.

There's always a common ground.

[BobbyFresco]

This thread is but a small example of why race will almost always be a factor in America and why things may never change for the better....

- There is ignorance on both ends of the table.
While it's very true that there are black people that would rather live off of government assistance rather than do for themselves, the same can be said about white people as well. I think it's a stretch to insinuate that black people as a whole care nothing about being self sufficient.

- I think it's ridiculous that white men view themselves as victims because of issues like affirmative action.Some of you preach about how equality will not be attained until people stop expecting special priviledges, so you complain about blacks and their so called "victim complex" but yet you're doing the same thing by blaiming a group of people for whatever opportunities or god given rights you feel you are entitled to but not receiving. Practice what you preach. Is it so far fetched that a person of another ethnicity or race could possibly be more qualified at whatever the issue at hand be?

-God forbid that CNN show a different side of how the average black American lives, as opposed to showing only the negative stereotypes, which we're all used to seeing on a daily basis.

Is it really affecting your ability to live day to day? Keep you up at night? Making you so sick that you can't function....I'm willing to be that the answer is no.

[AirMax95]

This thread is but a small example of why race will almost always be a factor in America and why things may never change for the better....

- There is ignorance on both ends of the table.
While it's very true that there are black people that would rather live off of government assistance rather than do for themselves, the same can be said about white people as well. I think it's a stretch to insinuate that black people as a whole care nothing about being self sufficient.

- I think it's ridiculous that white men view themselves as victims because of issues like affirmative action.Some of you preach about how equality will not be attained until people stop expecting special priviledges, so you complain about blacks and their so called "victim complex" but yet you're doing the same thing by blaiming a group of people for whatever opportunities or god given rights you feel you are entitled to but not receiving. Practice what you preach. Is it so far fetched that a person of another ethnicity or race could possibly be more qualified at whatever the issue at hand be?

-God forbid that CNN show a different side of how the average black American lives, as opposed to showing only the negative stereotypes, which we're all used to seeing on a daily basis.

Is it really affecting your ability to live day to day? Keep you up at night? Making you so sick that you can't function....I'm willing to be that the answer is no.

I wonder what it would take for CNN, hell even BET, to portray the Middle to Lower Upper class in America. Maybe that would help everyone understand that not all african americans are not "bumming off america".

Afirmitive Action.......whatever, lol. Get ur **** together and get the job you want. Don't throw the blame anywhere, lol. No one should rely on it, and no one should be threatened by it.

[BanginJimmy]

This thread is but a small example of why race will almost always be a factor in America and why things may never change for the better....

- There is ignorance on both ends of the table.
While it's very true that there are black people that would rather live off of government assistance rather than do for themselves, the same can be said about white people as well. I think it's a stretch to insinuate that black people as a whole care nothing about being self sufficient.

- I think it's ridiculous that white men view themselves as victims because of issues like affirmative action.Some of you preach about how equality will not be attained until people stop expecting special priviledges, so you complain about blacks and their so called "victim complex" but yet you're doing the same thing by blaiming a group of people for whatever opportunities or god given rights you feel you are entitled to but not receiving. Practice what you preach. Is it so far fetched that a person of another ethnicity or race could possibly be more qualified at whatever the issue at hand be?

-God forbid that CNN show a different side of how the average black American lives, as opposed to showing only the negative stereotypes, which we're all used to seeing on a daily basis.

Is it really affecting your ability to live day to day? Keep you up at night? Making you so sick that you can't function....I'm willing to be that the answer is no.

Affirmative action is nothing more than govt endorsed discrimination.

While it may have had its used 20 years ago the need for this program has passed. Businesses are out to make money, not simply hire their friends. If the black man is more qualified then 99 of 100 times he is going to be hired, but if the white man is more qualified then the HR rep has to make sure he has sufficient blacks on the payrole before hiring the white guy.

I ahve never asked for special privlage and I dont want it, why is it wrong of me to think that no one else should have it either?

[BobbyFresco]

Affirmative action is nothing more than govt endorsed discrimination.

While it may have had its used 20 years ago the need for this program has passed. Businesses are out to make money, not simply hire their friends. If the black man is more qualified then 99 of 100 times he is going to be hired, but if the white man is more qualified then the HR rep has to make sure he has sufficient blacks on the payrole before hiring the white guy.

I ahve never asked for special privlage and I dont want it, why is it wrong of me to think that no one else should have it either?

There's no doubt that affirmative action has outgrown its original intent and purpose. I agree with that notion completely and feel that people need to be self accountable and responsible for their futures...However, ppl fail to realize that aa didn't just "benefit" black people because other ethnicities and women did as well.

[DevilK9]

EDITED FOR COLOR RED = CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW!?!?

This thread is but a small example of why race will almost always be a factor in America and why things may never change for the better....

- There is ignorance on both ends of the table.
While it's very true that there are black people that would rather live off of government assistance rather than do for themselves, the same can be said about white people as well. I think it's a stretch to insinuate that black people as a whole care nothing about being self sufficient.

- I think it's ridiculous that white men view themselves as victims because of issues like affirmative action.Some of you preach about how equality will not be attained until people stop expecting special priviledges, so you complain about blacks and their so called "victim complex" but yet you're doing the same thing by blaiming a group of people for whatever opportunities or god given rights you feel you are entitled to but not receiving. Practice what you preach. Is it so far fetched that a person of another ethnicity or race could possibly be more qualified at whatever the issue at hand be?

-God forbid that CNN show a different side of how the average black American lives, as opposed to showing only the negative stereotypes, which we're all used to seeing on a daily basis.

Is it really affecting your ability to live day to day? Keep you up at night? Making you so sick that you can't function....I'm willing to be that the answer is no.

Dude, first off, if you're going to post, do it in a color we can read.

Second, I'd rather you put a **** in my mouth than words! I didn't say " there are black people that would rather live off of government assistance rather than do for themselves" what I said was (and I quote) "We are trying to provide opportunity for those that have not worked for it or made the responsible decisions that open up opportunities for themselves." I never said black, I said "those". Black, white, tan, brown. . . or in my mom's case. . . black and blue. We have equal rights, not equal opportunity. Social programs for the poor without required progress only feeds the disease. I have a plethora of studies to back that up. They have helped nothing but to sustain economic, social and cultural apathy.

Third, I never profiled myself or other white males as " victims because of issues like affirmative action." You are only a victim if something is done to you, not because you're in the same environment. For instance, if I'm dining in a nice Italian establishment and some mobster busts in and shoots a couple of guys in the head, I am not a victim of murder, I just have to deal with being in a sh/tty environment at the time. (why does it have to be Italian??) I am not a victim of affirmative action, I just have to deal with operating economically within the sh/tty environment that short-sighted bureacrats created.

Oh, and if anybody is broadcasting (as you say) "the negative stereotypes, which we're all used to seeing on a daily basis." you might want to tune into BET, the latest and greatest rap video, black magazine, or wayman brothers production. And, once again - nobody says they can't discuss the issue or have a program on the situation. That's not the issue that started the thread. The issue is that it's continually being crammed down our throats.

Finally, nobody said anything about ethnic minorities being underqualified, so take that race baiting bullsh/t somewhere else.

[AirMax95]

Dude, first off, if you're going to post, do it in a color we can read.

Second, I'd rather you put a **** in my mouth than words! I didn't say " there are black people that would rather live off of government assistance rather than do for themselves" what I said was (and I quote) "We are trying to provide opportunity for those that have not worked for it or made the responsible decisions that open up opportunities for themselves." I never said black, I said "those". Black, white, tan, brown. . . or in my mom's case. . . black and blue. We have equal rights, not equal opportunity. Social programs for the poor without required progress only feeds the disease. I have a plethora of studies to back that up. They have helped nothing but to sustain economic, social and cultural apathy.

Third, I never profiled myself or other white males as " victims because of issues like affirmative action." You are only a victim if something is done to you, not because you're in the same environment. For instance, if I'm dining in a nice Italian establishment and some mobster busts in and shoots a couple of guys in the head, I am not a victim of murder, I just have to deal with being in a sh/tty environment at the time. (why does it have to be Italian??) I am not a victim of affirmative action, I just have to deal with operating economically within the sh/tty environment that short-sighted bureacrats created.

Oh, and if anybody is broadcasting (as you say) "the negative stereotypes, which we're all used to seeing on a daily basis." you might want to tune into BET, the latest and greatest rap video, black magazine, or wayman brothers production. And, once again - nobody says they can't discuss the issue or have a program on the situation. That's not the issue that started the thread. The issue is that it's continually being crammed down our throats.

Finally, nobody said anything about ethnic minorities being underqualified, so take that race baiting bullsh/t somewhere else.

You font color is white and I can't see it on my screen.......

[BobbyFresco]

EDITED FOR COLOR RED = CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW!?!?



Dude, first off, if you're going to post, do it in a color we can read.

Second, I'd rather you put a **** in my mouth than words! I didn't say " there are black people that would rather live off of government assistance rather than do for themselves" what I said was (and I quote) "We are trying to provide opportunity for those that have not worked for it or made the responsible decisions that open up opportunities for themselves." I never said black, I said "those". Black, white, tan, brown. . . or in my mom's case. . . black and blue. We have equal rights, not equal opportunity. Social programs for the poor without required progress only feeds the disease. I have a plethora of studies to back that up. They have helped nothing but to sustain economic, social and cultural apathy.

Third, I never profiled myself or other white males as " victims because of issues like affirmative action." You are only a victim if something is done to you, not because you're in the same environment. For instance, if I'm dining in a nice Italian establishment and some mobster busts in and shoots a couple of guys in the head, I am not a victim of murder, I just have to deal with being in a sh/tty environment at the time. (why does it have to be Italian??) I am not a victim of affirmative action, I just have to deal with operating economically within the sh/tty environment that short-sighted bureacrats created.

Oh, and if anybody is broadcasting (as you say) "the negative stereotypes, which we're all used to seeing on a daily basis." you might want to tune into BET, the latest and greatest rap video, black magazine, or wayman brothers production. And, once again - nobody says they can't discuss the issue or have a program on the situation. That's not the issue that started the thread. The issue is that it's continually being crammed down our throats.

Finally, nobody said anything about ethnic minorities being underqualified, so take that race baiting bullsh/t somewhere else.

First off, did I quote you or direct my post specifically towards you?

I actually agreed wth your initial post so do me a favor and take that guilty conscience/defensive shyt somewhere else....

[DevilK9]

that guilty conscience/defensive shyt

Go f/ck yourself. I have nothing to feel guilty for. If you knew me, my background you'd realize how ignorant you really are.

[BobbyFresco]

Go f/ck yourself. I have nothing to feel guilty for. If you knew me, my background you'd realize how ignorant you really are.

LOLOLOL....Funny how you left out the rest of what I said....You jumped my ass because you somehow got the impression through my post that I was directing it towards you, but I'm ignorant.....I corrected you and went on to state that I agreed with your original post, and you have yet to acknowledge that, but I'm ignorant....LOL....Seems like the ignorant one here is you, my friend...

You may now take your foot out of your mouth.