Another reason domestic / LSx > Import

[Lucky DAWG]

You should really stick to thinking getting from point a to point b faster than someone else makes you better than the next person and leave the subjects that require actual intelligence to those who posses it.

Frankly, stay away from speaking on Economics.. it's too complex as you have shown.

Agree, it was a stupid statement.



It looks like you want to support some kind of Mercantilism system where we only buy American goods and don't trade with other countries. If you know history at all you would know that results in complete and utter failure of an economy.


I'm all for supporting our economy by buying some domestic goods, but i'm never going to settle for less quality simply because its American, that just gives you a whole other set of problems that still comes back to kick us in the ass being Americans as a whole.




Notice this is coming from a now Ford Owner.



I got a deal and love my truck, but i by no means bought it because it was "American", i got it because i simply liked it

[ILOVEKIDDRACING]

Agree, it was a stupid statement.



It looks like you want to support some kind of Mercantilism system where we only buy American goods and don't trade with other countries. If you know history at all you would know that results in complete and utter failure of an economy.


I'm all for supporting our economy by buying some domestic goods, but i'm never going to settle for less quality simply because its American, that just gives you a whole other set of problems that still comes back to kick us in the ass being Americans as a whole.




Notice this is coming from a now Ford Owner.



I got a deal and love my truck, but i by no means bought it because it was "American", i got it because i simply liked it

You got it because your parents bought it for you, kid.

Don't lie and act like you are a productive member of society.

[Kaiser]

Most Chrysler's are based from Mercedes? Really? I'd like to see a list of Merc based Chrysler's.

Sebring...no
Pacifica...no
Caravan..no


"In 1998 Daimler-Benz purchased Chrysler, forming DaimlerChrysler AG. Chrysler Corporation then was legally renamed DaimlerChrysler Motors Company LLC, while its total operations began doing business as Chrysler Group. This was initially declared to be a merger of equals,[8] but it quickly became evident that Daimler-Benz was the dominant partner. Despite offering a range of attractive models, Chrysler went into another of its financial tailspins soon after the merger, greatly depressing the stock price of the merged firm and causing alarm at headquarters in Germany, which sent CEO Dieter Zetsche to take charge. The Plymouth brand was phased out in 2001, and plans for cost cutting by sharing of platforms and components began. The strongly Mercedes-influenced Chrysler Crossfire was one of the first results of this program. A return to rear-wheel drive was announced, and in 2004 a new Chrysler 300 using this technology and a new Hemi V8 appeared and was successful. Financial performance began to improve, with Chrysler providing a significant share of DaimlerChrysler profits due to restructuring efforts at the Mercedes Car Group. The partnership with Mitsubishi was dissolved as DaimlerChrysler divested its stake in the firm due to Mitsubishi's demand for more control in the management."

You should look into some more information from the Merc side of the viewpoint and who was doing R&D on Motors and Platforms for Chrysler. Of course the quote you have is ridiculously old anyways. There's some pretty obvious reasons why DC made the decisions it did. Nice job on finding old news that says Chrysler was returning "a significant share" of profits. I wonder what that article considers a "significant share" anyways? Regardless, the Pacifica and the Caravan aren't cars, and weren't what I was referring to. And the Seb's motor...well nevermind. Whatever. Obviously you know tons about it.

[FlipKing]

I've had a Mazda B3000, Acura Legend, Cavalier, 94 Sentra LE, and now a 91 SE-R sentra. I bought all but the truck. Back to the point at the beginning of the thread, Thacker if you want to compare, thats great, but compare equal value. My fully modded Evo will kill your v6 mustang, and My Camaro can beat your stock civic. Get a life...I'm a mid to low 15 sec car. as are many people here. Stop rejecting races of people that can beat you and then talking **** about them, their cars. Put your camaro up against a skyline? Put your GTO up against an Evo. Then we can stop all the whining. And btw..thx for helping making gas prices as bad as they are.

[ironchef]

Only reason he bought a GTO was cause he couldn't afford a Corvette. amirite? or AMIRITE?

[VQ35 Star]

Only reason he bought a GTO was cause he couldn't afford a Corvette. amirite? or AMIRITE?

lol, he could have gotten a used one.

[Alan®]

yourrong lol

[ironchef]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEPyqxhBR1g <-- Thacker as a little kid, its why he's so angry with the world.

[Lucky DAWG]

You got it because your parents bought it for you, kid.

Don't lie and act like you are a productive member of society.

is this the only part of what i said that you nitpicked???


I didn't pay for all of it no, my parents helped.
I'm fortunate enough where they can.


Not to mention i am working for a Law Firm and getting a headstart on my career in Law at the age of 19, and making plenty of money for it. So get your head out of your ass, i work plenty hard.


But that still doesn't change the fact that you have a retarded obsession for domestics and did not address any other part of my argument, i have no idea what the fact that i didn't fully pay for my truck has to do with anything.



If thats the best you got then you have a losing argument.

[ILOVEKIDDRACING]

is this the only part of what i said that you nitpicked???


I didn't pay for all of it no, my parents helped.
I'm fortunate enough where they can.


Not to mention i am working for a Law Firm and getting a headstart on my career in Law at the age of 19, and making plenty of money for it. So get your head out of your ass, i work plenty hard.


But that still doesn't change the fact that you have a retarded obsession for domestics and did not address any other part of my argument, i have no idea what the fact that i didn't fully pay for my truck has to do with anything.



If thats the best you got then you have a losing argument.

Don't worry kid, I was the same way you are 2 years ago... and then I woke up to reality.

It will come.. in due time.

[Catnip]

I like the grand prix when it has the matching black/polished rims better. camaro isn't too bad though.

want to race? lololol

[FlipKing]

LMFAO. This is Thacker after realzing reality? Wow....scary to think what he would have been like before

[Lucky DAWG]

Don't worry kid, I was the same way you are 2 years ago... and then I woke up to reality.

It will come.. in due time.

are you going to keep making claims about my age or are you going to come up with a legitimate argument.



because right now you are just making yourself look immature and out to be a jackass. You apparently have no idea what you are talking about.

[d_day87]

wow... really thacker, you are completely retarded. seriously.

[Catnip]

Don't worry kid, I was the same way you are 2 years ago... and then I woke up to reality..

I was the same as you are 13 years ago...

and then I woke up to your mom.
*cough* mustbeavirgin.

[allmotoronly]

lets take a vote.

Who thinks Thacker should kill himself right now and spare us the idiocracy he has filled this site with?

Motherfvcker must have self esteem issues. All he does is try to make himself look better and talk up his car. This is the internet. Nobody cares how much of an e-thug you think you are. Nobody cares that you drive a GTO. You're still a jackass. Get over yourself.

[MistaCee]

lets take a vote.

Who thinks Thacker should kill himself right now and spare us the idiocracy he has filled this site with?

Motherfvcker must have self esteem issues. All he does is try to make himself look better and talk up his car. This is the internet. Nobody cares how much of an e-thug you think you are. Nobody cares that you drive a GTO. You're still a jackass. Get over yourself.

Nah he make good entertainment. A dumbass like this only comes around ever 4 years. Let him stay for two terms.

[Reaper]

you've sat in a GTO and have the balls to say it feels cheap inside?

yes I do think the interior of the GTO is "cheap" and I think they ride like sh*t too....but I'm spoiled with my little import....I mean after all it is just a Lexus...I mean Toyota..

My car is slow sure...better looking? to each his own...better handling? no...your car needs the suspension to handle the power in which mine lacks greatly....But mine rides better, and is more comfortable, better gas mileage(its a 5speed not a 6...and I still get better mileage than you)...I have 4 doors so I can fit more people more comfortably...etc etc etc..I could go on all day about how I prefer my little import over your domestic, but thats not why I'm posting..

I don't have an issue with Thacker overall...BUT you've backed yourself into a corner on this one..


I LOVE the LSx motors...I really do...reliable, powerful, can withstand abuse like no other...But for you to claim it better than "import" as in all imports you are sorely mistaken...

I really even shouldn't have to bring up the 2JZ which holds the RECORD for most power on a STOCK BLOCK/BOTTOM END from the FACTORY...980WHP STOCK CRANK, STOCK PISTONS etc etc etc....You run ANY kind of power like that on a STOCK LSx motor...bye bye engine...and you KNOW IT...

I'll give credit where it is due, the LSx motors are utterly incredible and frankly I want a Z06 (new or old idc) due to those motors and just how sick they f*cking are....BUT, I'd take a 2JZ or even an RB26 motor over any LS motor...why? Stronger all the way around...Granted the LS motors boosted are f'in sick..but you have to build them...

You don't have to build sh*t on an RB26 or a 2JZ-GTE to get over 700hp....


Now I know that was a 2000+hp video, blah blah blah....guess what? Build a 2JZ and sink just as much(probably less) money into it and it'll do the same f*cking thing...

In the end, your being ignorant..you are and you know it. Your just stirring up drama, which frankly just entertains me at work lol But, never the less, you've come on here to talk some sh*t about Imports...and your dead wrong.

Sure the LSx is a great motor...but its not greater than ALL imports...I know your good with doing your research, just quit acting like CNN and spinning sh*t in your favor

[MistaCee]

yes I do think the interior of the GTO is "cheap" and I think they ride like sh*t too....but I'm spoiled with my little import....I mean after all it is just a Lexus...I mean Toyota..

My car is slow sure...better looking? to each his own...better handling? no...your car needs the suspension to handle the power in which mine lacks greatly....But mine rides better, and is more comfortable, better gas mileage(its a 5speed not a 6...and I still get better mileage than you)...I have 4 doors so I can fit more people more comfortably...etc etc etc..I could go on all day about how I prefer my little import over your domestic, but thats not why I'm posting..

I don't have an issue with Thacker overall...BUT you've backed yourself into a corner on this one..


I LOVE the LSx motors...I really do...reliable, powerful, can withstand abuse like no other...But for you to claim it better than "import" as in all imports you are sorely mistaken...

I really even shouldn't have to bring up the 2JZ which holds the RECORD for most power on a STOCK BLOCK/BOTTOM END from the FACTORY...980WHP STOCK CRANK, STOCK PISTONS etc etc etc....You run ANY kind of power like that on a STOCK LSx motor...bye bye engine...and you KNOW IT...

I'll give credit where it is due, the LSx motors are utterly incredible and frankly I want a Z06 (new or old idc) due to those motors and just how sick they f*cking are....BUT, I'd take a 2JZ or even an RB26 motor over any LS motor...why? Stronger all the way around...Granted the LS motors boosted are f'in sick..but you have to build them...

You don't have to build sh*t on an RB26 or a 2JZ-GTE to get over 700hp....


Now I know that was a 2000+hp video, blah blah blah....guess what? Build a 2JZ and sink just as much(probably less) money into it and it'll do the same f*cking thing...

In the end, your being ignorant..you are and you know it. Your just stirring up drama, which frankly just entertains me at work lol But, never the less, you've come on here to talk some sh*t about Imports...and your dead wrong.

Sure the LSx is a great motor...but its not greater than ALL imports...I know your good with doing your research, just quit acting like CNN and spinning sh*t in your favor

But knowing thracker he is just going to post a"" and then make fun of your lexus.

[Reaper]

But knowing thracker he is just going to post a"" and then make fun of your lexus.

Make fun of it....I drive a 2002 Black on black leather Lexus IS300, 5speed, with 15% tint...dropped, used to have full bolt ons and a tune...woopddoo..its more economical, holds its value better, and personally it sounded(when modded) like sex(straight pipe off the toyotmoto header, with an hks hiper )

Sad sure, it definitely was slow as all get out and lame to some...but My car sounded better than a lot of cars on the road(IMO) and looks better too also IMO..

I'm used to the whole BS about how IMPORTS are inferior to DOMESTICS...I really don't give a sh*t..to each his own, just get your facts straight before you run your mouth.

And as much as people can knock on my IS...I'm delivering it to its new owner today (3years of having the car its time to move on)...and I may very well get a C5Z, an S2000, or a Supra...but understand they are all for one purpose...reliability, and trackability...the Supra wouldn't be the worlds fastest supra...thats been done...it'd be a domestic killer @ road atl. as well as the S2k...the C5z is without a doubt the best bang for the buck, but they depreciate so fast I'm some what hesitant to get one..but hey, thats domestics for ya

[MistaCee]

Make fun of it....I drive a 2002 Black on black leather Lexus IS300, 5speed, with 15% tint...dropped, used to have full bolt ons and a tune...woopddoo..its more economical, holds its value better, and personally it sounded(when modded) like sex(straight pipe off the toyotmoto header, with an hks hiper )

Sad sure, it definitely was slow as all get out and lame to some...but My car sounded better than a lot of cars on the road(IMO) and looks better too also IMO..

I'm used to the whole BS about how IMPORTS are inferior to DOMESTICS...I really don't give a sh*t..to each his own, just get your facts straight before you run your mouth.

And as much as people can knock on my IS...I'm delivering it to its new owner today (3years of having the car its time to move on)...and I may very well get a C5Z, an S2000, or a Supra...but understand they are all for one purpose...reliability, and trackability...the Supra wouldn't be the worlds fastest supra...thats been done...it'd be a domestic killer @ road atl. as well as the S2k...the C5z is without a doubt the best bang for the buck, but they depreciate so fast I'm some what hesitant to get one..but hey, thats domestics for ya

I know I'd rather have an IS 300 than a GTO. Get a supra! If not a s2000. I love some American cars but most of the owners have a "thracker" mentality I wouldn't want to become a stereotype.

[Reaper]

I know I'd rather have an IS 300 than a GTO. Get a supra! If not a s2000. I love some American cars but most of the owners have a "thracker" mentality I wouldn't want to become a stereotype.

Well the Supra's with lower mileage(no matter if its a 93 or a 98) are in the mid 30k's...I can fit the bill, its just a matter if I wanna pay a 1000bucks a month for a car. I'm half tempted to get a S2000 for a daily/toy...something to mod lightly and then get a supra that has higher mileage with a much lower price, that needs some work...and just make it a project...this is most likely what I'm gonna do..

But I refuse to get the "b*tch edition" and buy a N/A supra...It WILL be a GTE 6speed...probably a smaller turbo just to spool faster and will have suspension/brakes and weight reduction...something to take to the track, have fun, and be able to drive it home w/out an issue

As far as the "Thacker mentality"...I'm a firm believer that a person makes the car, not the other way around...just because you have a fast car or whatever doesn't mean your a badass...if you believe that it does, then you have some real issues

Thacker is a cool guy overall...outside of cars, he's actually pretty nice. I know he actually pays for his sh*t unlike a lot of people these days, and he's busted his ass getting into shape in the past year to lose 100lbs..I'm a personal trainer so that says a lot about a person to me...

He's also honest when it comes to racing and what not...as far as winning/losing he'll actually pay up if he loses(by word of mouth, idk personally). He drives a fast car and from what I can tell he can drive "well" on the 1/8th and the 1/4....there is some skill involved, so props to him. I just don't agree with saying that the LSx's are better than all Imports...cuz its just not true..

I give props where it's deserved that is all...but when it comes to import engines..your barking up the wrong tree...

[MistaCee]

Well the Supra's with lower mileage(no matter if its a 93 or a 98) are in the mid 30k's...I can fit the bill, its just a matter if I wanna pay a 1000bucks a month for a car. I'm half tempted to get a S2000 for a daily/toy...something to mod lightly and then get a supra that has higher mileage with a much lower price, that needs some work...and just make it a project...this is most likely what I'm gonna do..

But I refuse to get the "b*tch edition" and buy a N/A supra...It WILL be a GTE 6speed...probably a smaller turbo just to spool faster and will have suspension/brakes and weight reduction...something to take to the track, have fun, and be able to drive it home w/out an issue

The s2000 + supra plan sounds best GL with it hope you get em both

[Reaper]

The s2000 + supra plan sounds best GL with it hope you get em both

thanks man...I'll get the s2k first...then the supra will take a while..but ne ways I'm off to meet the buyer for my car..I'll be on tonight to see the extreme bashing of my "puiny" IS300 lol

[MistaCee]

thanks man...I'll get the s2k first...then the supra will take a while..but ne ways I'm off to meet the buyer for my car..I'll be on tonight to see the extreme bashing of my "puiny" IS300 lol

Lol cool you should have done a final photoshoot jackass.

[Reaper]

Lol cool you should have done a final photoshoot jackass.

lol what makes you think I haven't?

[MistaCee]

lol what makes you think I haven't?

The roids could have made you forget.

[Reaper]

The roids could have made you forget.

lol anyone who has met me in person will tell you im not on roids hahahaha

If I was with the amount that I workout I would have broken my computer due to anger of the extreme stupidity of people on this forum

ok I'm out peace lol

[MistaCee]

lol anyone who has met me in person will tell you im not on roids hahahaha

If I was with the amount that I workout I would have broken my computer due to anger of the extreme stupidity of people on this forum

ok I'm out peace lol

I was joking man Don't go all Chris Beniot on me


Be safe dude.

[Farrow2005]

This guy makes me want to stay off IA. every time i look at one of his posts, the smell of **** fills the room.

[Alan®]

lol anyone who has met me in person will tell you im not on roids hahahaha

If I was with the amount that I workout I would have broken my computer due to anger of the extreme stupidity of people on this forum

ok I'm out peace lol

Two things happen on sterioids

1.Your head grows
2.Your balls shrink

So if you step up to the plate with a mardi gras hat and a pair of raisinetts your out!


I agree with a lot of what Reaper said I'm sure Thacker is a decent guy but when you start making claims like the ones in this thread you had better actually be able to substantiate your claim. Which is exactly why I said I'd rather have a Supra than whatever that will be going in.

[n00bsrus]

there's nothing wrong with domestic. import lovers are just anti america and like supporting other countries that are competing with ours economically... way to go traitors. lol i've got a corolla, but only because it was cheap as hell, and great on gas. GM's solving the gas issue though by making more fuel efficient cars now, so imports can F O. nothing beats american muscle

[n00bsrus]

I was joking man Don't go all Chris Beniot on me


Be safe dude.

hahaha Christ Beniot was a GGGGGGG

[2.3 Evo 8]

****, I paid $42,000 for my 08 crewmax Tundra, $22,000 for my 07 Doublecab Tacoma, and $18,000 cash for the 03 Evo. WTF was I thinking!!! I could have had a GTO for $29,995 and rode in style! What a tool I am.

[87 Turbo II]

Thacker, there are so many places to start where I want to argue with you. Ok lets start with #1 you'd never be able to do anything with 2041 HP, I don't care how experienced you are or what tires you have, it's overkill. #2 to say something as generic as "real imports come from Europe" and that "imports can't compete at anything" is retarded in General. There are Japanese imports out their faster than your car, and there are American cars faster than your car. Deal with it, a good build is a good build. #3 I saw a video of you powershifting, I can't wait for your transmission to break, seriously, I can't, you deserve it.(that was random but it needed to be said)

Point is:

Anything can be fast with enough money, I don't care what takes less money or what the majority of faster cars are. Drive what you like and enjoy it. But you don't have to put down every other brand, origin, or engine just because the owners of those cars didn't do what you did. I can find plenty of videos of Japanese cars that'd smoke you, and you could find American cars faster than all of them probably, but give respect where ti is due.

[collins]

Thacker are you fvcking retarded??? Its a GTO... A $30k car brand new. $30k isn't **** for a car. My fvcking Xterra was $34k new. A v6 honda accord is $30k. Half the people on this site could afford a GTO if they wanted. What makes you think you are such hot shyt???? So what, it has 400hp. It's still nothing great. The reason more people don't drive GTO's is because for one, like most american made cars they don't hold their value worth a damn. For another thing, the interior of the nicest GM vehicles are not much better than the cheapest base model chevy aveo. Don't get me wrong, I have owned quite a few GM vehicles, but when I go to spend $40k+ on a new car, I would much rather buy something that is a much higher quality.

a few parts of your post are incorrect. msrp on the gto's was more around $36-37k. not a HUGE difference, but would definately add to the monthly payment. also, you're right on par with the value... it sucks, i'll admit, but your comment on the interior... yeah i'm going to have to disagree on that one. the only complaint about my interior i have is that i wish it had heated seats... thats it. it is extremly comfy and still gives ample support. hell, i've driven a continuous 900 miles in my gto and only had to stop for gas, bathroom breaks, and food/drinks.

yes I do think the interior of the GTO is "cheap" and I think they ride like sh*t too....

i really dont understand why you think that. even in some of the lexus's and infiniti's i drive on a daily basis aren't as comfortable or nice inside as what i drive home everyday. i mean, to each his own, and i'm not saying "love my gto or die," but i think some of the ppl in here are only saying things because of how thacker has come at the topic.

also, as to the mileage thing, i will admit that it is the fault of me and me alone as to why my gto doesnt get all that great of gas mileage. many guys on the other forum i'm on are getting anywhere btw 17-19 in the city and damn near 30 on the highway. granted, its no prius, but for the power the car has, that's REALLY not that bad.

now dont get me wrong, i'm not out to bash any other car manufacturer, but i do want ppl to open their eyes to what the car really is instead of appearing just as ignorant as thacker sometimes does.

[willum14pb]

Thacker..

[Reaper]

a few parts of your post are incorrect. msrp on the gto's was more around $36-37k. not a HUGE difference, but would definately add to the monthly payment. also, you're right on par with the value... it sucks, i'll admit, but your comment on the interior... yeah i'm going to have to disagree on that one. the only complaint about my interior i have is that i wish it had heated seats... thats it. it is extremly comfy and still gives ample support. hell, i've driven a continuous 900 miles in my gto and only had to stop for gas, bathroom breaks, and food/drinks.



i really dont understand why you think that. even in some of the lexus's and infiniti's i drive on a daily basis aren't as comfortable or nice inside as what i drive home everyday. i mean, to each his own, and i'm not saying "love my gto or die," but i think some of the ppl in here are only saying things because of how thacker has come at the topic.

also, as to the mileage thing, i will admit that it is the fault of me and me alone as to why my gto doesnt get all that great of gas mileage. many guys on the other forum i'm on are getting anywhere btw 17-19 in the city and damn near 30 on the highway. granted, its no prius, but for the power the car has, that's REALLY not that bad.

now dont get me wrong, i'm not out to bash any other car manufacturer, but i do want ppl to open their eyes to what the car really is instead of appearing just as ignorant as thacker sometimes does.

I've driven a few GTO's, I think they are some what comfortable, but I'm just more comfortable in what was my IS300...it just felt a little cheap to me..But don't get me wrong I still think they are nice cars...my opinion has never changed b/c of how someone acts over a car...I try my best to NOT be bias, I do my judging after I have experienced it first hand. I'm glad your atleast civil about everything though

[Alan®]

^how was the trip?

[green91]

thacker cant dig his way outta this thread.