opinions?

[Alan®]

Your Eclipse FTL.

I know I'm trying to get rid of it and get another one but eh... money is tight right now as always so.......

[Vteckidd]

http://www.edmunds.com/apps/nvc/edmu...eId1=100946086



10k price diff you say?

Here ill make it easy for you

CLICKY POW

[x Resilience]

Sounds like Google know more about z4s than he does

Fixed it for you.

[BobbyFresco]

hey i just call them like i see them.

you told someone to base buying a car on you having a street race with a buddy of yours. Wow, thats really intelligent


I however posted FACTUAL DATA from CREDIBLE SOURCES that have conducted THOUSANDS OF TESTS.

Now i have alos driven an S2000 and i have driven a Z4, my uncle used to own one. The Z4 is a PIG, its sloppy, an doesnt have anywhere near the fun of an S2000.

In a 1/4 mile race the S2000 is faster, but we can say they are dead even.

Go find track time of the Z4 and an S2000 an im willing to bet the S2000 is faster by a good bit.

Its overrated just like the Z3 was.

I suppose you love the $100,000 z8 too

You cant even compare a S2K to a Z4. They arent even in the same league. Its like comparing an SC430 to a Ferrari 355 Spyder.

The Z4 is ok if you like luxury, expensive repair bills, and a slow car.

the S2000 is great for a track, mountain car, cheap to maintain, and is deadly on a road course or twisty road.

You're questioning my intelligence but yet you're basing my opinion on ONE statement that I made...

I'm glad all those years of bouncing around from shop to shop has yielded you all the abilty to be the pseudo omniscient scholar you believe yourself to be....


So being the educated individual that you believe yourself to be, you would be able to conclude that driving one Z4 would not qualify as an educated study / experience into the Z4, correct?


If by your own admission and facts that you so kindly provided, wouldn't logic dictate that the s2k would not walk all over a z4 as you stated? BMW offers just as good of a warranty for the Z4 as Honda does for the S2k. So that being said your logic is once again flawed.


You really should stick to what you do best...answering phone calls and being a gopher....

[x Resilience]

I know I'm trying to get rid of it and get another one but eh... money is tight right now as always so.......

Good luck, you should get an E36

[BobbyFresco]

MSRP of the S2k was $34000 for the base model

MSRP of the Z4 with the 3.0SI was $41000

* MSRP: $36,700 - $41,700
* Invoice: $33,945 - $39,465

* Fuel Economy Range: 28 mpg Hwy, 18 mpg City
* NHTSA Driver's Crash Rating:
* Basic Warranty: 48 months/50,000 miles
* Fuel Type: premium unleaded

sorry i was off $3000. But i bet the dealer mark up on a BMW is alot more than a Honda

Plus the car you are quoting at $36,000 is the one that makes 215hp. I chose the Convertible Roadster that makes 255hp, since that is the one that is most relevant.

That car is $41,000 an it has a 255hp I6 3.0si http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-Z4-200...d-incentivesan weighs 3700lbs

http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-Z4-2008/specs

Hey genius...the Si is not the basic model.....

[Alan®]

Good luck, you should get an E36

no thanks

[Echonova]

[Vteckidd]

You're questioning my intelligence but yet you're basing my opinion on ONE statement that I made...

I'm glad all those years of bouncing around from shop to shop has yielded you all the abilty to be the pseudo omniscient scholar you believe yourself to be....


So being the educated individual that you believe yourself to be, you would be able to conclude that driving one Z4 would not qualify as an educated study / experience into the Z4, correct?


If by your own admission and facts that you so kindly provided, wouldn't logic dictate that the s2k would not walk all over a z4 as you stated? BMW offers just as good of a warranty for the Z4 as Honda does for the S2k. So that being said your logic is once again flawed.


You really should stick to what you do best...answering phone calls and being a gopher....

Now whose name calling LOL!

I wont comment on the bouncing from shop to shop, because thats another topic all together thant has nothing to do with this.

If you would like to discuss my Gophering in person please, feel free to call me or setup an appt with me, id be happy to discuss it face to face.

Now, you are ABSOLUTELY right. My one driving experience doesnt qualify me to be all knowing on the z4. But, i was merely stating the same opinion you have. However, based on facts, my years of bouncing from shop to shop, interacting with customers, countless webboards, personal experience, personal driving experience, talking to people that road race, professional road an drag racers, etc etc etc i can form a more accurate assessment of what car i think is better.

Now, i never said anything to you, you are the one that came after me. I merely said IMO that the Z4 sucked in comparison to any other car mentionedi n this thread. You are the one that went off half cocked about how the car is so bad ass cause you walked your boys s2k on the highway.

I think if you took a survey of 100 people, 90% would say the S2000 is a better car than the overgrown, underpowered z4.

In relation to this topic, i was advising the OP that IN MY OPINION , and also i provided factual data as well as personal experience, that the S2000 or a C5 Corvette was a much better buy for the money.

I still stand by that statement.

Gopher out. Remember to get me something for secretary day

[Vteckidd]

Hey genius...the Si is not the basic model.....

hey dumbass

the 3.0I that costs $36,000 , MAKES 215HP!

the 3.0SI costs $41,000, MAKES 255HP

I WAS COMPARING RELEVANT MODELS IN REGARDS TO HP

If you want we can compare the even more underpowered 3.0I that still costs $2500 more, and is EVEN SLOWER

[Alan®]

I still like a SLK32 over the Z4 or the S2k

[Echonova]

[JITB]

Z4/SLK is kind of a grown mans car, and the s2k/Z/miata are different cars for young folks.. i cant compare the two..

If ihad a Z4 and a s2k in front of me id take the Z4 home!

[BobbyFresco]

Now whose name calling LOL!

I wont comment on the bouncing from shop to shop, because thats another topic all together thant has nothing to do with this.

If you would like to discuss my Gophering in person please, feel free to call me or setup an appt with me, id be happy to discuss it face to face.

Now, you are ABSOLUTELY right. My one driving experience doesnt qualify me to be all knowing on the z4. But, i was merely stating the same opinion you have. However, based on facts, my years of bouncing from shop to shop, interacting with customers, countless webboards, personal experience, personal driving experience, talking to people that road race, professional road an drag racers, etc etc etc i can form a more accurate assessment of what car i think is better.

Now, i never said anything to you, you are the one that came after me. I merely said IMO that the Z4 sucked in comparison to any other car mentionedi n this thread. You are the one that went off half cocked about how the car is so bad ass cause you walked your boys s2k on the highway.

I think if you took a survey of 100 people, 90% would say the S2000 is a better car than the overgrown, underpowered z4.

In relation to this topic, i was advising the OP that IN MY OPINION , and also i provided factual data as well as personal experience, that the S2000 or a C5 Corvette was a much better buy for the money.

I still stand by that statement.

Gopher out. Remember to get me something for secretary day

LOL.....need I remind you that it was YOU who came after ME by calling me an IDIOT?

ANY person with common sense would read that as an attempted insult.
I simply returned the favor and now you want to play the victim role? Get over yourself.


and I'm sure the issue of the Z4 vs. the S2k has been such a hot topic issue in the shops you've worked at....

Whatever the case, on the matter of what car is better for the money, it is quite subjective.....One person could be looking for luxury, comfort, and resale value while another could be looking at a car simply for the fun factor....

[Vteckidd]

I still like a SLK32 over the Z4 or the S2k

2004 SLK32 AMG. MSRP $56170

Thats not even in the same league either that car is $20,000 more LOL

for $55-60,000 id rather have a C6 Vette or BOxster S if i wanted a convertible or maybe even an M3

[twinj]

I have a buick for sale. Just thought I would throw that out there.

[BobbyFresco]

hey dumbass

the 3.0I that costs $36,000 , MAKES 215HP!

the 3.0SI costs $41,000, MAKES 255HP

I WAS COMPARING RELEVANT MODELS IN REGARDS TO HP

If you want we can compare the even more underpowered 3.0I that still costs $2500 more, and is EVEN SLOWER

You said base to base, for the sake of price comparison, correct?

Yea, that's what I thought....

[BobbyFresco]

Oh and since you issued the invitation to meet in person to have a "talk", all you have to do is tell me when. You billy badass you.....LOLOLOLOL.

[Lucky DAWG]

Why does it not surprise me that you can't have a debate w/out resorting to name calling..?
and what's with the ever so "clever" usage of ebonics?


So you managed to pull some numbers from wherever to prove that the S2k that you were deepthroating is dead even with the Z4...Congrats...You must be a Rhodes Scholar, or something like one....

if someone just explained to me the theory of relativity from cover to cover and went over every small possible detail with me so i could win a nobel prize myself, and then finished the conversation with....



YO BOI IN A SKREET RACE!




...i will take nothing they said seriously

[BobbyFresco]

if someone just explained to me the theory of relativity from cover to cover and went over every small possible detail with me so i could win a nobel prize myself, and then finished the conversation with....



YO BOI IN A SKREET RACE!




...i will take nothing they said seriously

LOL...

[Vteckidd]

LOL.....need I remind you that it was YOU who came after ME by calling me an IDIOT?

ANY person with common sense would read that as attempted insult.
I simply returned the favor and now you want to play the victim role? Get over yourself.


and I'm sure the issue of the Z4 vs. the S2k has been such a hot topic issue in the shops you've worked at....

Whatever the case, on the matter of what car is better for the money, it is quite subjective.....One person could be looking for luxury, comfort, and resale value while another could be looking at a car simply for the fun factor....

Jesus christ do you even ****ing read these posts?

Read #62 then #65

Then your brilliant street racing post #70

I called you an idiot for advising someone to buy a car based on

I guess you've never run against, seen or heard a z4m at wot huh?

And

When I first got my car I raced a friend who owns an s2k, stock for stock, light to light and freeway runs and I beat him EVERY TIME.... Explain that...

Im sorry but those statments are IDIOTIC. SOrry you dont agree with me

[Vteckidd]

Oh and since you issued the invitation to meet in person to have a "talk", all you have to do is tell me when. You billy badass you.....LOLOLOLOL.

hey you are the one that wanted to explain to me what you think i have done the last 7 years.

By all means, let me know when you would like to talk.

Thats not being a badass, thats me telling you that id love to explain to you what you THINK you know.

[Vteckidd]

You said base to base, for the sake of price comparison, correct?

Yea, that's what I thought....

I dont think i ever said BASE VERSUS BASE

I mean it makes no difference to me, lets compare the 215hp 3600lb car to the 240hp 2800lb car.

Still, i fail to see where you make any sort of relevance. Even in your scenario the S2k is still a better car.

[BobbyFresco]

MSRP of the S2k was $34000 for the base model

MSRP of the Z4 with the 3.0SI was $41000

Base model, huh?

Now, is the si the base model?

[Alan®]

2004 SLK32 AMG. MSRP $56170

Thats not even in the same league either that car is $20,000 more LOL

for $55-60,000 id rather have a C6 Vette or BOxster S if i wanted a convertible or maybe even an M3

Yea but he mentioned something about a 25k price limit you can easily get one with decent miles on it for that price.

This is a lil high on the miles but you get the idea.http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-...m190227062444&

[Echonova]

[twinj]

this thread has reached its climax.

[BobbyFresco]

Jesus christ do you even ****ing read these posts?

Read #62 then #65

Then your brilliant street racing post #70

I called you an idiot for advising someone to buy a car based on



And



Im sorry but those statments are IDIOTIC. SOrry you dont agree with me

What does quoting me do to further your argument?


So based on MY experiences with MY car against S2k's, your facts on performance, car vs car, are further validated thus proving your whole " the s2k blows to the Z4 out of the water" to be erroneous....



Edit: Thank you for proving my point which was YOU started with the petty bs name calling....You said your piece, I said mine, keep it moving....

[BobbyFresco]

I'm sure there's a shop floor somewhere that needs sweeping. Get on your job and off of my nuts. Thanks in advance....

[Vteckidd]

Base model, huh?

Now, is the si the base model?

Again, earth to Dunkswhore, Earth to DunksWhore.

I quoted a BASE MODEL S2000 with 240hp

to

A 3.0SI Model 255hp BMW Z4 that was Mid Level

I can see your just grasping at straws now, trying to "win" so to speak when in reality your making yourself look dumber man.

I mean if you want we can compare the LOWER BASE MODEL OF THE Z4 that is SLOWER than the BASE MODEL AND CHEAPER S2000.

But since you recommended the

I fuked up a few s2ks in the time that I owned my car. I would recommend the 3.0

I naturally assume you meant the HIGHER HP 3.0SI model so thats what i used for my comparison.

But for arguments sake lets compare shall we

You said

http://www.edmunds.com/apps/nvc/edmu...eId1=100946086



10k price diff you say?

Now if you look at that you will see the price difference is only about $2000. But the car is INFERIOR compared to the SI version.

Your CHEAPER has less HP, less TQ, Not even an LSD is offered.

1/4 mile Time compared by CAR AN DRIVE Is 14.6 so it is slower than the other model.


So again, if you owned some 3.0I 215hp Z4 that weighed 3600lbs an some how it was GODS CHARIOT AN DESTROYED S2Ks at stoplights an highways, congratulations you are the MAN!

[Vteckidd]

I'm sure there's a shop floor somewhere that needs sweeping. Get on your job and off of my nuts. Thanks in advance....

Sorry but you have me confused with someone else. I never was a janitor.

But i have all the time in the world, its nice being your own boss.

Maybe one day ill hire you

[BobbyFresco]

Again, earth to Dunkswhore, Earth to DunksWhore.

I quoted a BASE MODEL S2000 with 240hp

to

A 3.0SI Model 255hp BMW Z4 that was Mid Level

I can see your just grasping at straws now, trying to "win" so to speak when in reality your making yourself look dumber man.

I mean if you want we can compare the LOWER BASE MODEL OF THE Z4 that is SLOWER than the BASE MODEL AND CHEAPER S2000.

But since you recommended the


I naturally assume you meant the HIGHER HP 3.0SI model so thats what i used for my comparison.

But for arguments sake lets compare shall we

You said



Now if you look at that you will see the price difference is only about $2000. But the car is INFERIOR compared to the SI version.

Your CHEAPER has less HP, less TQ, Not even an LSD is offered.

1/4 mile Time compared by CAR AN DRIVE Is 14.6 so it is slower than the other model.


So again, if you owned some 3.0I 215hp Z4 that weighed 3600lbs an some how it was GODS CHARIOT AN DESTROYED S2Ks at stoplights an highways, congratulations you are the MAN!

I thought you were done with the thread??


Fact is you said base to base. Again, base to base. You never made mention of comparing simply on performance numbers. Base to base. What about that do you not get?


I never claimed that my car was the hottest shyt to come out since sliced bread. I simply compared it to a specific car. Do me a favor: Keep it moving.

[Vteckidd]

[color=#000000]Fact is you said base to base. Again, base to base. You never made mention of comparing simply on performance numbers. Base to base. What about that do you not get?

READ MOTHERF*CKER

YOU EVEN QUOTED ME YOURSELF

Originally Posted by Mr. KiDD
MSRP of the S2k was $34000 for the base model

MSRP of the Z4 with the 3.0SI was $41000

I SAID BASE MODEL S2000 VERSUS 3.0SI ITS IN CLEAR ENGLISH JUST CAUSE YOU ASSUMED I MEANT SOMETHING ELSE THATS YOUR PROBLEM LOL

Now if i would have said

Originally Posted by Mr. KiDD
MSRP of the S2k was $34000 for the base model

MSRP of the Z4 with the 3.0SI BASE MODEL $41000

Then you would have an argument, all you have right now is a bunch of LOLs from me.

[Echonova]

[Vteckidd]

ITs been fun, but im going to go play Metal Gear now.

Cheers

[BlkCD5]

how bout a poll?

[BobbyFresco]

READ MOTHERF*CKER

YOU EVEN QUOTED ME YOURSELF



I SAID BASE MODEL S2000 VERSUS 3.0SI ITS IN CLEAR ENGLISH JUST CAUSE YOU ASSUMED I MEANT SOMETHING ELSE THATS YOUR PROBLEM LOL

Now if i would have said



Then you would have an argument, all you have right now is a bunch of LOLs from me.

So now you want to twist shyt around for your convenience?

Go back to where you initially quoted the z4 as being 10k more than the S.

Now, did you specify in any manner in which way you were making your comparison...?

Hm..., you didnt....



and so in an effort to prove your point about the cost of a base model S versus a Z4 you choose the midlevel model....

We may have been arguing about two diff things the whole entire time and not known it but it does not change the fact that the choice/opinion on what is better is subjective according to wants and needs in a particular car. Point blank...And I've already said as much. I'm not a rodeo show so stop riding my nuts....


At the end of the day, one thing is a given: the two cars perform similarly.
The question is if the extra ameneties that come with the BMW are worth the price tag.

[BlkCD5]

how is the Z4's suspension? Some reviews said that it has a harsh, bumpy ride.

[03RCode]

I know where an 04 Saleen S281 vert is for $26,000. 17,000 miles, every saleen option minus the supercharger... Amazing car. PM me if your interested.

[Brett]

I think if you took a survey of 100 people, 90% would say the S2000 is a better car than the overgrown, underpowered z4.

Make it 91%, add me!! LOL

The Z4 is butt ass ugly, Its heavy, slow, Over rated, a b*tch car and has no back bone in the mountains or really anywhere, and unless you love to suck D*ck, dont buy a Z4.