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04-12-2008, 09:40 PM
BABY J

Quote:

Originally Posted by RandomGuy

A recap of what happened

http://www.g54b.com/random/falconpunch.gif

lulz

LMAO!
04-12-2008, 09:45 PM
DecoyOctopus

oh yes quickdodge is here, i can feel it he is about to say somehthing hilarious...ok im ready
04-12-2008, 09:46 PM
BABY J

Ron agreed to the terms initially (per the post) --- or there would be no contract being presented. THEN he starts to "barter" and try to get a diff amount on the contract. Typical salesman sh*t if u ask me --> he agreed to the price to get the kid in there, and then wanted to hustle him to get what's on the sticker. It's a f*cking CAR --- who pays what's on the sticker? Ron buys cars WHOLESALE --- or through many other dealership tricks to get cars (auction, consignment, repo, etc.) every1 knows that, and guarantee you that he is not into that car for 15,900 or anywhere close. A REAL salesman would have said "well I can fix the taillight for you, and get a professional buff on the car" ($250 light, $50 buff) and still be in the clear... or offer 10 oil changes ($200)... ANYTHING other than piss a customer off and let him leave the lot --- ESPECIALLY one that was there to sign on the line. Who cares if "joe schmo" has a bad rep, he's not selling cars. As the business u need to be professional and at all times. If 14,9 wasn't acceptible then he shouldn't have called the kid back into the shop. All I gotta say is call the BBB.
04-12-2008, 09:47 PM
Brandon C

Agreed if Ron knew how to access the thread he would. Also He has stated he will gladly post the whole Video for the 8 Different camers but due to Privacy Laws he can not.

Oh Yeah Dracc. The Other Customers Bought a Car also The Kids Mom saw the whole thing for the passenger seat of his car. What Ron has said is the video taken was shot after He was Bated and Bagered for some time and what I saw was Dean who was on the Phone with the Police in the Background. Oh Well Anither Day in Gwinnett

Guys I am Going to bed I dont work from Ron but I did. In the End it really doesnt matter because no 2 transactions are ever the same. Why either person feels the need to talk trash at this point is beyond me. I almost never post here anymore due to I am very Busy, But I will leave on this Note I will Pray tonight for Ron and This Kid to find some peace in there heart.
04-12-2008, 09:48 PM
1SICKLEX

LMFAO AT RANDOM GUY!!!!

And sorry but the first post would NOT prevent me from buying from the guy. No offense but so many people try to get attention here or would START SOME CRAP, just to be able to COME HERE to make a story of it.

I need both sides to the story, though its really a lose/lose for Ron as a business CANNOT win on the internet. No way.
04-12-2008, 09:51 PM
Brandon C

Quote:

Originally Posted by BABY J

Ron agreed to the terms initially (per the post) --- or there would be no contract being presented. THEN he starts to "barter" and try to get a diff amount on the contract. Typical salesman sh*t if u ask me --> he agreed to the price to get the kid in there, and then wanted to hustle him to get what's on the sticker. It's a f*cking CAR --- who pays what's on the sticker? Ron buys cars WHOLESALE --- or through many other dealership tricks to get cars (auction, consignment, repo, etc.) every1 knows that, and guarantee you that he is not into that car for 15,900 or anywhere close. A REAL salesman would have said "well I can fix the taillight for you, and get a professional buff on the car" ($250 light, $50 buff) and still be in the clear... or offer 10 oil changes ($200)... ANYTHING other than piss a customer off and let him leave the lot --- ESPECIALLY one that was there to sign on the line. Who cares if "joe schmo" has a bad rep, he's not selling cars. As the business u need to be professional and all times. If 14,9 wasn't acceptible then he shouldn't have called the kid back into the shop. All I gotta say is call the BBB.

real quick- there was no deal. the kid offered him on site money for a car and when told no, he started yelling at other customers that the dealer was a cheat. Ron did not try and hustle him. he was trying to make a living and how do we know he did not offer to fix said problems. to many holes in this story

And Carmax does not negotiate prises but there ok right?
04-12-2008, 09:53 PM
DecoyOctopus

yea but carmax advertizes the fact that they wont change the price
04-12-2008, 09:59 PM
Dracc

the only thing i see wrong from my view being in the car buisness before is the fact RON marked the car up 1k from the buying price... Most dealers and even when i bought cars for pulliam ford.. a dealers main goal is to make money. 1k with his own lot and employees is not enough to pay everyone. Now my thing is did Ron actually mark it up 1k or have plans to sell it for 15.9 and with GA tax and tags be out the door with 16.7.. or is he just realy trying to pass on the deals like a so called " wholesale car lot"
04-12-2008, 09:59 PM
BABY J

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon C

real quick- there was no deal. the kid offered him on site money for a car and when told no, he started yelling at other customers that the dealer was a cheat. Ron did not try and hustle him. he was trying to make a living and how do we know he did not offer to fix said problems. to many holes in this story

And Carmax does not negotiate prises but there ok right?

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Originally Posted by Brandon C

OK Since my name was brought up in this and I know both people involved and have talked with Ron himself which admits he was not right to yell at the kid. I love the way you paint this as I offered you a 1000 less **** and your all inocent. You have been coming by there for years Bashing his cars and trying to get them for less. He was always pleasant to you. Man Times is tough in the car biz these days a 1000 mark up is about all that is there. Ron Sponsered this site for a very long time and I can TELL YOU FROM EXPERIANCE THAT THIS KID IS FULL OF **** AND HAS BEEN COMING BY RON'S FOR YEARS TRYING TO GET SOMETHING FOR NOTHING BY BASHING RON'S CARS. ALSO THE SO CALLED ACCORD HE WAS TRADING IN WAS HIS MOMMY'S CAR WHICH SHE NEVER SAID HE COULD TRADE AND HE WANTED A CAR THAT WAS NOT EVEN RON'S-HE PICKED THE FLOOD DAMAGE CAR OUT THAT WAS THERE FOR SERVICE. I realy dont care about who you are kid. Plus the reason the police did nothing was because there were other customers there who witnesed your behavior and Ron's Actions which he was just verbal with a very RUDE AS **** Customer. Thats why the 4 different Police cars that you brought back acusing Ron of Punching you in the face did nothing. I am so sick of you kids who think that you can be rude to Hard working Folk and it's there fault for speaking up. Do You have any clue the guy that you pushed to anger Gives over 30% of his personal Income and 75% of his time to Raising Money for Children In Need. Wow this guy is a real ass. You are such a Tard You went to try and Beat down a Vehicle so you could attempt to get a better deal in which you where Rude first. Hey how come your not mentioning the white Accord Your Parents bought from Ron. Was that a Rip off To.

STOP BEING A BABY AND TRYING TO BASH GOOD PEOPLE.

GOOD DAY SIR..

To those that no Ron and what he stands for please let others know as Asshats like this are Very Bad for our Community which they are takers and when they cant get there way well you se how they act!

JUlio is Ron not a Sponser Still????

Maybe he should take care of home 1st and he won't have to be a d*ck to customers? :thinking:
04-12-2008, 10:01 PM
DecoyOctopus

Quote:

Originally Posted by BABY J

Maybe he should take care of home 1st and he won't have to be a d*ck to customers? :thinking:

good point
04-12-2008, 10:02 PM
Brandon C

But Ok so lets see

http://www.ronsautosales.com/filedet...pe-S012web.jpg

Ron's Car:
2006 Acura Rsx Type S with 65k Miles for $15,995

http://www.carmax.com/dyn/factsheet/...eet.aspx?KNo=4
Carmax:
2005 Acura RSX Type S w/ 42 K for $18,147

Yeah Ron's really trying to rip people off..
A year newer but more mile still $2152 below Car Max on the same Car...

Sorry not trying to argue just really hate Carmax..

Also:

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/search...sfyc=&systime=

7 Type S models in 100 Miles and Ron's was the cheapest....

He was not wrong for saying no in my book. Come on Scratches and Curb Rash...Thats just excuse's to me. Where Did the offer come from because to Me in which I do work for another dealer, Ron is priced the best in town.

Lets turn this converstation into what should a car dealer do to better not have these types of problems, besides just give everything away?
04-12-2008, 10:03 PM
Catnip

yeah, if you can give 30% of his personal income, then you aren't struggling.
04-12-2008, 10:05 PM
Catnip

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon C

Come on Scratches and Curb Rash...Thats just excuse's to me.

I don't see what's wrong with pointing out scratches and screwed up wheels when the car was advertised as perfect.
04-12-2008, 10:07 PM
DecoyOctopus

Quote:

Originally Posted by cgEvan

I don't see what's wrong with pointing out scratches and screwed up wheels when the car was advertised as perfect.

another good point
04-12-2008, 10:09 PM
Brandon C

Quote:

Originally Posted by BABY J

Maybe he should take care of home 1st and he won't have to be a d*ck to customers? :thinking:

If I am a **** to you at your work place and cause a Scene how would you act.

His Family life is fine he raised 3 daughters and is a Grandfather of 7 Kids and been maried for over 30 years whats your longest commitment. I want to call you names and belittle your integrity will you still be cheerfull to me. Do you build your buisness from nothing to have a 21 year old kid call you a thief? I wish we could see all sides maybe the kid believe he was being ripped off but that is no way to act. I agree Ron Should not have raised his voice and yelled back but He was heated and very disrespected. I have had Customer Scream at me before it is tough. I have seen owners of MAJOR dealerships get in Fist fights with people. It Happens. BUt really man you just are bashing now, the mans Family life is probably better than most of ours.
04-12-2008, 10:10 PM
Brandon C

Quote:

Originally Posted by cgEvan

I don't see what's wrong with pointing out scratches and screwed up wheels when the car was advertised as perfect.

Here is The AD. Where was Perfect Advertised I have been searching for a minute and cannot find that anywhere.
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...ice=&cardist=1
04-12-2008, 10:11 PM
Echonova

This is why I pay cash for my cars.
04-12-2008, 10:14 PM
Echonova

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon C

I have seen owners of MAJOR dealerships get in Fist fights with people.

LOL, I've saw it happen at Jasper Jeep yyeeeaarss ago.
04-12-2008, 10:15 PM
Dracc

Quote:

Originally Posted by cgEvan

I don't see what's wrong with pointing out scratches and screwed up wheels when the car was advertised as perfect.

thats a great point.. and brandon has to look at it from two ways.. 1st the dealers way.. we sell cars for as much as we think they are worth and push out price or close to our "close out" that we want to come out on top on the back end to make our money

Now with that said the customer pointing out scratches we dont care as a salesmen, we have instilled in our minds what we want to sell this car for and thats final

but when we take a trade in.. we dont give the customer what they want for there trade.. we noticed every little ding scratch and flaw on the "walk around" when we appraise the vehicle dropping the price as we go around the car and do a Visual inspection. * note all dealerships do this dirt lot or "big wig" dealerships" before they give you an actual price.

so if a customer has a trade in a wants 8k firm for the trade in because they owe 7k and want to make 1k off of it. Should the dealer blow up and call the customer a cheat infront of his family and friends?

if a dealer has a car for sale for 15.9k and was offered 14.9k for it should the dealer get insulted and go off on the custmer for giving him a price.

there is no law stating a man can not come on to property public nor private that is considered an establishment trade, saying they can not haggle pricing for furniture, food, or in this case vehicles. both sides seem to be wrong but Rons side seems to be by far the worst..
04-12-2008, 10:20 PM
Brandon C

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dracc

thats a great point.. and brandon has to look at it from two ways.. 1st the dealers way.. we sell cars for as much as we think they are worth and push out price or close to our "close out" that we want to come out on top on the back end to make our money

Now with that said the customer pointing out scratches we dont care as a salesmen, we have instilled in our minds what we want to sell this car for and thats final

but when we take a trade in.. we dont give the customer what they want for there trade.. we noticed every little ding scratch and flaw on the "walk around" when we appraise the vehicle dropping the price as we go around the car and do a Visual inspection. * note all dealerships do this dirt lot or "big wig" dealerships" before they give you an actual price.

so if a customer has a trade in a wants 8k firm for the trade in because they owe 7k and want to make 1k off of it. Should the dealer blow up and call the customer a cheat infront of his family and friends?

if a dealer has a car for sale for 15.9k and was offered 14.9k for it should the dealer get insulted and go off on the custmer for giving him a price.

there is no law stating a man can not come on to property public nor private that is considered an establishment trade, saying they can not haggle pricing for furniture, food, or in this case vehicles. both sides seem to be wrong but Rons side seems to be by far the worst..

I am Confused! I agreed with you up to that point. Are you saying Ron was in the wrong for telling the Guy to leave or getting upset or was the kid in the wrong. We really dont know the entire story here. I jumped early on the Kid but I can tell you that Ron generaly does not get upset enough to act like he described and I have Pissed him off plenty in my life. I am sorry I am tired and really would have not had to see this today after the day I had. I say win the argument Lose the sale never works for anybody customer of Dealership.
04-12-2008, 10:21 PM
quickdodge®

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dracc

thats a great point.. and brandon has to look at it from two ways.. 1st the dealers way.. we sell cars for as much as we think they are worth and push out price or close to our "close out" that we want to come out on top on the back end to make our money

Now with that said the customer pointing out scratches we dont care as a salesmen, we have instilled in our minds what we want to sell this car for and thats final

but when we take a trade in.. we dont give the customer what they want for there trade.. we noticed every little ding scratch and flaw on the "walk around" when we appraise the vehicle dropping the price as we go around the car and do a Visual inspection. * note all dealerships do this dirt lot or "big wig" dealerships" before they give you an actual price.

so if a customer has a trade in a wants 8k firm for the trade in because they owe 7k and want to make 1k off of it. Should the dealer blow up and call the customer a cheat infront of his family and friends?

if a dealer has a car for sale for 15.9k and was offered 14.9k for it should the dealer get insulted and go off on the custmer for giving him a price.

there is no law stating a man can not come on to property public nor private that is considered an establishment trade, saying they can not haggle pricing for furniture, food, or in this case vehicles. both sides seem to be wrong but Rons side seems to be by far the worst..

You keep saying "we." Who is "we?" Later, QD.
04-12-2008, 10:21 PM
Dracc

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon C

If I am a **** to you at your work place and cause a Scene how would you act.

His Family life is fine he raised 3 daughters and is a Grandfather of 7 Kids and been maried for over 30 years whats your longest commitment. I want to call you names and belittle your integrity will you still be cheerfull to me. Do you build your buisness from nothing to have a 21 year old kid call you a thief? I wish we could see all sides maybe the kid believe he was being ripped off but that is no way to act. I agree Ron Should not have raised his voice and yelled back but He was heated and very disrespected. I have had Customer Scream at me before it is tough. I have seen owners of MAJOR dealerships get in Fist fights with people. It Happens. BUt really man you just are bashing now, the mans Family life is probably better than most of ours.

You should know brandon.. in this buisness.. Name calling comes with the territory. I was called a ****er before when an older white gentleman wanted a 2007 Ford F250 King Ranch for 40k even. The list price was 60k and even the employee pricing for it was still 49k. He called me a ****er and proceeded to tell my GM that I hassled him to come to the dealership told him I could get the truck for him for his price and that I promised him a full tank of gas for the 2 hour drive he endured. Mind you that day was the first time I ever spoke with that man. I've been called alot of things at some of the jobs I've had but that does not mean blow up and have an altercation with someone over it. Even if Ron blew off steam in this he still has to come back to HIS building with HIS name on it with HIS employees there and coop with the actions that have taken place over a price that probably could have been talked through to both parties satisfaction. Ron is still a great guy in my book but his name will be forever tainted in the realm of import atlanta, no matter how old this thread gets, there is always a Search button
04-12-2008, 10:23 PM
Dracc

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon C

I am Confused! I agreed with you up to that point. Are you saying Ron was in the wrong for telling the Guy to leave or getting upset or was the kid in the wrong. We really dont know the entire story here. I jumped early on the Kid but I can tell you that Ron generaly does not get upset enough to act like he described and I have Pissed him off plenty in my life. I am sorry I am tired and really would have not had to see this today after the day I had. I say win the argument Lose the sale never works for anybody customer of Dealership.

in the video ron actualy got Phsyical and tried to take the camera from what it looks like. If the kid who was taping wanted to, he could charge Ron with simple assault and personal property damage. Ron never had a right to touch the camera even though his establishment is private property
04-12-2008, 10:25 PM
Dracc

Quote:

Originally Posted by quickdodge®

You keep saying "we." Who is "we?" Later, QD.

I used to be a dealer and a floor manager for a major dealership in columbia, Pulliam Ford before i moved here. Basically talking as if I were still selling cars to let people know I was once in this position as a saleman dizzle.
04-12-2008, 10:27 PM
Catnip

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...omotivator.jpg
04-12-2008, 10:27 PM
Brandon C

Well I still say that this was not over a Price that this was something that Had been brewing for a few years with this young gentleman. I agree his name will be tarnished but do you honestly thing that anyone would not go there if he had a car advertised for a price that was a deal. No matter how good a deal is customers always want something better. Could it be handled better yes but I can tell you that if someone was yelling at other customers on my lot I woul probably had the arested for there behavior but Ron is old school why call the cops that is what Little Boys do as in this case. But no seriously I agree with you there are a hats that look for cars and act this way. The problem is our society does not respect each other!!!!!!!!!!!!
04-12-2008, 10:29 PM
1SICKLEX

One of Bob Lutz's rules is "The customer is NOT always right"

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...s_/ai_59282155

To the OP, did you have cash to buy the car if he dropped the price? Were you GOING to buy this car? Did you have financing in place? Or were you going to waste even MORE time trying to get financed with 0 down and awful credit?
04-12-2008, 10:30 PM
BKgen®

RICK CASE FTW LOL
04-12-2008, 10:30 PM
DecoyOctopus

Quote:

Originally Posted by cgEvan

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...omotivator.jpg

hahahahahahahahaha:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:
04-12-2008, 10:31 PM
Catnip

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon C

But no seriously I agree with you there are a hats that look for cars and act this way. The problem is our society does not respect each other!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's not disrepectful to tell someone you feel their car isn't worth what they are asking and counter offer a reasonable asking price...
04-12-2008, 10:31 PM
Brandon C

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dracc

in the video ron actualy got Phsyical and tried to take the camera from what it looks like. If the kid who was taping wanted to, he could charge Ron with simple assault and personal property damage. Ron never had a right to touch the camera even though his establishment is private property

He never did. It was a camera Phone and he tried to tell them to stop and leave over and over whatch it closely. The Kid jumps back when ron tried to put his hand over the lens. I think that Video is very amusing as it looks to me as Ron is fustrated to hell and Back with an Angry Kid that would not leave his property. I could be wrong..Oh and it is against the law for them to post up that Video of Ron without consent he could sue them for Slander amongst other things..That is why Ron is not posting up the Whole Video I am Sure.
04-12-2008, 10:31 PM
Dracc

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX

One of Bob Lutz's rules is "The customer is NOT always right"

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...s_/ai_59282155

To the OP, did you have cash to buy the car if he dropped the price? Were you GOING to buy this car? Did you have financing in place? Or were you going to waste even MORE time trying to get financed with 0 down and awful credit?

]

Great question.. i would love to know the answer to. I hated TD Customers ( test driving Customers) you know the one that comes to test drive the newest most expensive car on the lot and does not have the finaces to pay for. "There favorite saying is I really like the car but i have to talk it over with my wife/husband and I'll get back with you tomorrow."
04-12-2008, 10:33 PM
Dracc

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon C

He never did. It was a camera Phone and he tried to tell them to stop and leave over and over whatch it closely. The Kid jumps back when ron tried to put his hand over the lens. I think that Video is very amusing as it looks to me as Ron is fustrated to hell and Back with an Angry Kid that would not leave his property. I could be wrong..Oh and it is against the law for them to post up that Video of Ron without consent he could sue them for Slander amongst other things..That is why Ron is not posting up the Whole Video I am Sure.

alot could be done from todays events both sides need to calm down, apologize like men and go their seperate ways.

edit: 2 hours of sleep in 3 days. Stupid has taken over.
04-12-2008, 10:35 PM
BKgen®

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dracc

go there seperate ways.

their.
04-12-2008, 10:35 PM
Brandon C

Quote:

Originally Posted by cgEvan

It's not disrepectful to tell someone you feel their car isn't worth what they are asking and counter offer a reasonable asking price...

NADA Price: 19725
Kelley Blue Book Price: 18435
Ron's Price: $15,995

I believe that Ron's Price is very Fare as it is Listed below Market Value. People offer less not because it's for a reasonable Price a reasonable price is around Market Value. They offer less because they Believe that they should. Let me ask this if The Price listed was $14,995 which is insanely low for that car would you pay it or ask for a discount???
04-12-2008, 10:37 PM
BKgen®

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon C

Let me ask this if The Price listed was $14,995 which is insanely low for that car would you pay it or ask for a discount???

I would ask for a discount, then put up my guard and wait for Ron's attack.
04-12-2008, 10:38 PM
Brandon C

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dracc

alot could be done from todays events both sides need to calm down, apologize like men and go there seperate ways.

Agreed and I bet Ron let it go right after it happend but The Kid Did this Thread.

And to ANwser the Finance Question was probably not as he Had wasted my time on many a car when I worked there but Ron Still let him drive a car everytime he came and claimed to be ready. Like I said this was deeper than just 1 day
04-12-2008, 10:39 PM
Dracc

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon C

Agreed and I bet Ron let it go right after it happend but The Kid Did this Thread.

And to ANwser the Finance Question was probably not as he Had wasted my time on many a car when I worked there but Ron Still let him drive a car everytime he came and claimed to be ready. Like I said this was deeper than just 1 day

Point taken into consideration.
04-12-2008, 10:39 PM
Brandon C

Quote:

Originally Posted by GKtib®

I would ask for a discount, then put up my guard and wait for Ron's attack.

My point was not about Ron but just in genral I see great deals all the time but in our society we still belive we "Deserve" a Discount even if it is at a Great price.
04-12-2008, 10:39 PM
RandomGuy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon C

NADA Price: 19725
Kelley Blue Book Price: 18435
Ron's Price: $15,995

I believe that Ron's Price is very Fare as it is Listed below Market Value. People offer less not because it's for a reasonable Price a reasonable price is around Market Value. They offer less because they Believe that they should. Let me ask this if The Price listed was $14,995 which is insanely low for that car would you pay it or ask for a discount???

LAWL

Try searching the KBB and NADA values for a supra TT?

or even for a... 84 starion

Nada Says
Original MSRP: $12,079
Low Retail Average Retail Value High Retail
Base Price $1,650 $2,150 $2,600
TOTAL PRICE $1,650 $2,150 $2,600

Thhere is NO WAY IN HELL you can get 1600 for a bone stock 84 starion... in bad condition you can get one for like 3-400 bux? mid condition 500-700 and PRISTINE for around 1000-1200

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