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[Jaimecbr900]

What's the final part of this I'm intrested

It references God, so that's why Brett is scared of it.....

Not really hopefully by now you read the above post and realize what I meant.

Not a clue what you mean.

To be completely honest i'm having a little trouble undertanding what you mean.No we are not a perfect gov't or people but because of the foreign policy we had back during the cold war 9/11 happend again read previous post. I agree with the eye for an eye stament in this respect because otherwise we would continue having attacks on our soil which is not what we want obvously. No we shouldn't have to bear the brunt I agree in this respect as well.

You went back and forth here. YOU eluded to the idea that it was OUR fault that 9/11 happened. I replied that I see no reason to JUSTIFY 9/11 with ANY reasoning.

That's what the war on terror is about but again the deep root of the issue on 9/11 is what I said in my post above. I am honestly glad we went in without the permission of the U.N. that's part of the problem why Bin Laden has not been captured yet. (If he is even alive still). We had multiple times to pull the trigger on bin laden but operatives were not able to get approval again going back to what I said about the government is partially at fault for 9/11.

See, here you are again eluding to the possibility that the 9/11 attacks were somehow OUR fault.

I want to know how you think so.

Neither do I but if we are going to meddle in other people's affairs we have to at least see the issue through to the end.

There are a lot of intricate reasons why the U.S. fights overseas. Personally, I wish they would do it less anyway, but sometimes it's a necessary evil. For example, there are times when the only reason we're involved is that we have our own bases there. Sometimes it's a domino effect. It may not be a totally direct effect on us, but if we allow certain elements to take over a region for example then it would eventually effect us.

What I'm trying to say is that although I totally agree that we get into everybody's business way too much, there are many times where public opinion is wrong about the reasons we do.

[Alan®]

You went back and forth here. YOU eluded to the idea that it was OUR fault that 9/11 happened. I replied that I see no reason to JUSTIFY 9/11 with ANY reasoning.

This what i was talking about when I said my above post and how it's kinda our own fault. Again not justifying it but a little background on the matter


I didnt say there was any justification for 9/11 but please correct me if i'm wrong. Durring the Cold War was Afghanistan was being invaded by the Russians. At the time bin Laden was one of the heads of the militia trying to force out the Russians. And what did we do? We didn't want to be directly involved so we cent C.I.A. operatives in to help train Bin Laden's militia. We supplied them with money and weapons and when it was all over we left. Here is where the hatred for us from bin laden comes in. Durring the 90's there was plenty of intelligence that would have allowed us to get bin laden but because of lack of co-operation between agencies we didn't then durng the late 90's we knew there was going to be an attack. we had tracked most of the hijackers from several meetings in the middle east back to the U.S. and they didn't even try to hide. Most of them WERE LISTED IN THE YELLOW PAGES!!!!!And we still didn't go after them.Tell me based off all that, that the government isn't slightly responsible for 9/11 when it was preventable.
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[Jaimecbr900]

I didnt say there was any justification for 9/11 but please correct me if i'm wrong.

I still stand by the argument that 9/11 was our own damn fault.

That sure sounds like you're trying to point the finger at someone else besides the actual culprits to me.....which is just like justifying it.....

Durring the Cold War was Afghanistan was being invaded by the Russians. At the time bin Laden was one of the heads of the militia trying to force out the Russians. And what did we do? We didn't want to be directly involved so we cent C.I.A. operatives in to help train Bin Laden's militia. We supplied them with money and weapons and when it was all over we left. Here is where the hatred for us from bin laden comes in. Durring the 90's there was plenty of intelligence that would have allowed us to get bin laden but because of lack of co-operation between agencies we didn't then durng the late 90's we knew there was going to be an attack. we had tracked most of the hijackers from several meetings in the middle east back to the U.S. and they didn't even try to hide. Most of them WERE LISTED IN THE YELLOW PAGES!!!!!And we still didn't go after them.Tell me based off all that, that the government isn't slightly responsible for 9/11 when it was preventable.
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Hindsight is always 20/20. Why would we EVER elect a Democrat since Clinton had Bin Laden literally in the cross hairs and would NOT ok them to take him out? Why would we EVER vote for a Republican after Nixon's mess? Point? Just because one administration screws up doesn't give ANYONE the right to come back and retaliate against INNOCENT PEOPLE. Embargo the country, don't send us coffee, sell us more expensive oil.....fine. BUT to come over and kill INNOCENT PEOPLE by the thousands just because you're pissed off about something that happened decades ago?????? Helloooooo, that still makes no sense. If that were the case, why don't we just go bomb half of Europe for sending over immigrants by the millions at the turn of the century? Why don't we just bomb Saudi Arabia for charging us so much for oil? It's all very ludicrous to justify flying a hi-jacked airplane into a building full of people that probably had zero to do with your unhappiness. Sounds a lot like reparations for slaves. What the hell do WE have to do with slavery today??? Nothing, yet people want US to pay for what WE didn't have any part of......kinda like Muslim radicals wanting to MURDER innocent people to prove a point. It's wrong, period. No matter what their justification is, it's wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

[Alan®]

That sure sounds like you're trying to point the finger at someone else besides the actual culprits to me.....which is just like justifying it.....




Hindsight is always 20/20. Why would we EVER elect a Democrat since Clinton had Bin Laden literally in the cross hairs and would NOT ok them to take him out? Why would we EVER vote for a Republican after Nixon's mess? Point? Just because one administration screws up doesn't give ANYONE the right to come back and retaliate against INNOCENT PEOPLE. Embargo the country, don't send us coffee, sell us more expensive oil.....fine. BUT to come over and kill INNOCENT PEOPLE by the thousands just because you're pissed off about something that happened decades ago?????? Helloooooo, that still makes no sense. If that were the case, why don't we just go bomb half of Europe for sending over immigrants by the millions at the turn of the century? Why don't we just bomb Saudi Arabia for charging us so much for oil? It's all very ludicrous to justify flying a hi-jacked airplane into a building full of people that probably had zero to do with your unhappiness. Sounds a lot like reparations for slaves. What the hell do WE have to do with slavery today??? Nothing, yet people want US to pay for what WE didn't have any part of......kinda like Muslim radicals wanting to MURDER innocent people to prove a point. It's wrong, period. No matter what their justification is, it's wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

I agree with you 100% on everything you have said throughout the entirety this thread let me clarify what I meant in my previous statements then I think everything will be clear. What i have been trying to say is that there is no way to justify the attacks on 9/11 AT ALL. No reason or cituation will ever justify it. What I am saying is that the government, is partially responsible for the attack ever happeneing there is a reason that the we have agencies like the CIA and FBI and it is to protect the country. With that in mind, with the amount of intelligence we had and as many chances as we had to nip it in the bud 9/11 shouldn't have happened but because of the lack of co-operation between agencies and the inability to come to the decision to pull the trigger with bin laden it did. Now does me saying that mean with absolute certianty that something like it never would have happened. Absolutely not. But was the cituation preventable even up to within a few months of the attacks. . See what I'm saying now. I'm only "pointing the finger" at the government for there inability to prevent something like 9/11 from happening not the cause. The cause was there long before bin laden because of what you said. The sheer number of countries in the world that hate us.

[richbaker]

That sure sounds like you're trying to point the finger at someone else besides the actual culprits to me.....which is just like justifying it.....




Hindsight is always 20/20. Why would we EVER elect a Democrat since Clinton had Bin Laden literally in the cross hairs and would NOT ok them to take him out? Why would we EVER vote for a Republican after Nixon's mess? Point? Just because one administration screws up doesn't give ANYONE the right to come back and retaliate against INNOCENT PEOPLE. Embargo the country, don't send us coffee, sell us more expensive oil.....fine. BUT to come over and kill INNOCENT PEOPLE by the thousands just because you're pissed off about something that happened decades ago?????? Helloooooo, that still makes no sense. If that were the case, why don't we just go bomb half of Europe for sending over immigrants by the millions at the turn of the century? Why don't we just bomb Saudi Arabia for charging us so much for oil? It's all very ludicrous to justify flying a hi-jacked airplane into a building full of people that probably had zero to do with your unhappiness. Sounds a lot like reparations for slaves. What the hell do WE have to do with slavery today??? Nothing, yet people want US to pay for what WE didn't have any part of......kinda like Muslim radicals wanting to MURDER innocent people to prove a point. It's wrong, period. No matter what their justification is, it's wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

well for me, i think that's what they call the sound of revenge!



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[Jaimecbr900]

well for me, i think that's what they call the sound of revenge!

Please don't tell me you're going to try and justify mass murder of INNOCENT people too?????

Alan stop arguing..Jaime isn't going to lose this one lol

And the reason is.......

tru that its hard to win an argument when your on the side argueing on the justification of radical action and senseless mass murder......

Thank you both for understanding where I'm coming from.

[RandomGuy]

I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle East
start caring about the Holy Bible, the mere possession of which is a crime in
Saudi Arabia .

lol thats straight up BS

most of that is just straight up racist bs.


After watching a bunch of documentaries on it, I no longer think us "terrorists" did the acts of 9/11. I just feel as if it was orchestrated (i know its a bit out there) to have such a rash, sudden change in foreign policy, to act like a catalyst for example... On a side note, like 11 of the "alleged" hijackers that flew the planes have turned up alive...

And why didn't they lead up an investigation to ground zero until waaay later? That's what I don't get.

[Jaimecbr900]

lol thats straight up BS

most of that is just straight up racist bs.


After watching a bunch of documentaries on it, I no longer think us "terrorists" did the acts of 9/11. I just feel as if it was orchestrated (i know its a bit out there) to have such a rash, sudden change in foreign policy, to act like a catalyst for example... On a side note, like 11 of the "alleged" hijackers that flew the planes have turned up alive...

And why didn't they lead up an investigation to ground zero until waaay later? That's what I don't get.

Somebody better call Hassan a tow truck. His car must have a cracked manifold, because he has obviously ingested a ton of crazy gas......

Did you change your name to Michael Moore and didn't tell us????

[Alan®]

lol thats straight up BS

most of that is just straight up racist bs.


After watching a bunch of documentaries on it, I no longer think us "terrorists" did the acts of 9/11. I just feel as if it was orchestrated (i know its a bit out there) to have such a rash, sudden change in foreign policy, to act like a catalyst for example... On a side note, like 11 of the "alleged" hijackers that flew the planes have turned up alive...

And why didn't they lead up an investigation to ground zero until waaay later? That's what I don't get.

You must have watched that 9/11 conspiracy tape that those stupid college kids made. I can't think of the name of it(Loose Change). It was very well put together in a videography manner but had so many holes it wouldn't have been able to hold a drop of water.

[Alan®]

Please don't tell me you're going to try and justify mass murder of INNOCENT people too?????


And the reason is.......




Thank you both for understanding where I'm coming from.

Jamie you must not have read what I said. I am not justifying the attacks I am simply saying why it happened and that it was completely utterly preventable. Put it to you this way and this is just an example so don't get all worked up and say oh well that would never happen or I would knee cap the guy(my favorite form of punishment). Say your wife was being carjacked. It happened on a busy street and a cop witnessed it yet did nothing to stop it. Your telling me that it wasn't preventable? The cop sits there and watches and does nothing.Same situation here. The government knew there was an attack being planned that there were terrorists in the U.S. and yet did nothing to stop it because of the lack of interagency coperation. AGAIN JUST SO THAT EVERYONE IS CLEAR. I AM NOT JUSTYIFYING. IT SIMPLY POINTING OUT REASONS WHY IT HAPPENED AND THAT IT WAS IN FACT PREVENTABLE. EVEN THE 9/11 COMISSION REPORT SAID THAT DUE TO THE LACK OF INTERAGENCY COPERATION NO ONE NABBED THESE GUYS BEFORE HAND.

[Turbo04]

AGAIN JUST SO THAT EVERYONE IS CLEAR. I AM NOT JUSTYIFYING. IT SIMPLY POINTING OUT REASONS WHY IT HAPPENED AND THAT IT WAS IN FACT PREVENTABLE. EVEN THE 9/11 COMISSION REPORT SAID THAT DUE TO THE LACK OF INTERAGENCY COPERATION NO ONE NABBED THESE GUYS BEFORE HAND.

When your on this side of history looking back, everything before hand could've been preventable. Could we have stopped WWII? Yes, it could've been prevented. Vietnam? Korea? Yep all preventable. That's a big problem in america today, everyone sits around saying " had we have done this, X would not have happened". Does it matter? Nope not in the least. The fact remains it did happen, now what do we do? Pointing fingers saying so and so shoudl've done this solves NOTHING. We should've removed hitler from power (and by we I mean the world) long before it got truly serious, yet no amount commisions and reports are gonna change the fact we did nothing until it was too late. I see it this way, the milk is spilled, get a BIG ****ing mop and clean it up.