Q for those who support us being in Iraq

[tony]

I have been doing some reading on an interesting theory for an alternate reason we are in Iraq right now and it has nothing to do with weapons of mass destruction.

In a nutshell the U.S keeps its hold on oil through the American dollar, since it accounts for over 60% of all oil reserve activity and over 90% of all foreign exchange involves the dollar theoretically.. the U.S can act as the world bank by printing a currency that is accepted across the globe. If anything threatens this it could be detrimental to the value of the dollar (as we are seeing) and the U.S economy.

Stick with me cause I know it sounds boring but I'm sure you see where I am going with this. In 2000 Iraq (Second largest oil reserve in the world) announced that they will no longer accept dollars and only deal in Euros.. Since then we have gone into Iraq and installed a government that will maintain their oil reserves in U.S dollars. Other countries that are following expressed intent to drop the dollar and trade in Euros? Iran, Venezuela, China, Russia.. see a pattern?

My question, first do you believe everything the government tells you?

Second, how do you feel about a war that is perceived to be about our freedom but could possibly have nothing to do with freedom and everything to do with the U.S remaining an economic power in the world?

[BKgen®]

I have been doing some reading on an interesting theory for an alternate reason we are in Iraq right now and it has nothing to do with weapons of mass destruction.

In a nutshell the U.S keeps its hold on oil through the American dollar, since it accounts for over 60% of all oil reserve activity and over 90% of all foreign exchange involves the dollar theoretically.. the U.S can act as the world bank by printing a currency that is accepted across the globe. If anything threatens this it could be detrimental to the value of the dollar (as we are seeing) and the U.S economy.

Stick with me cause I know it sounds boring but I'm sure you see where I am going with this. In 2000 Iraq (Second largest oil reserve in the world) announced that they will no longer accept dollars and only deal in Euros.. Since then we have gone into Iraq and installed a government that will maintain their oil reserves in U.S dollars. Other countries that are following expressed intent to drop the dollar and trade in Euros? Iran, Venezuela, China, Russia.. see a pattern?

My question, first do you believe everything the government tells you?

Second, how do you feel about a war that is perceived to be about our freedom but could possibly have nothing to do with freedom and everything to do with the U.S remaining an economic power in the world?

my answer:

No.

[ZeDFuNk]

I dont support anything our government is doing under the leadership of that bumbling idiot bush. Furthermore we shouldn't be using our military for nation building.. we're over there doing not a damn thing, we're not liberating anyone. However, I support the fact that there are people just like me out there fighting to keep our country safe and putting their lives on the line.. i just wish they had a real motive instead of the horse **** the government made up. Fighting on a false pretense.. it must be awful.. and half of them know it... how can you possibly motivate yourself? We need to pull the **** out and leave them be.

[Init2winit]

My question, first do you believe everything the government tells you?

Absolutely not.

[tony]

This is no knock to any of the troops, conservatives like to question how you cannot support the war but support the soldiers.. easily. I commend them for maintaining their professionalism through all of this cause lord knows I could not, they are doing their job and I have nothing but respect for that.

[ZeDFuNk]

This is no knock to any of the troops, conservatives like to question how you cannot support the war but support the soldiers.. easily. I commend them for maintaining their professionalism through all of this cause lord knows I could not, they are doing their job and I have nothing but respect for that.

[EJ25RUN]

bush is the smartest man ever!







































hahah - cant believe i just said that!

Me> <bush

[XLR8NMR2]

I believe this is the beginning for the end as the American empire....as great as this nation is there is alot of things we aren't handling here that need to be fixed, Foreclosure is on the rise, bankruptcy is on the rise, alot of small business are shutting down shop and packing up elsewhere and the cost to get into college is ridiculous.

Not to mention our next generation of children that holds our future for us is scary, academically theres a shortage of teachers, classrooms, and kids are failing out of school with no care in the world....

Makes for a horrible future for us if you ask me.

[tony]

I wouldnt necessarily say its the beginning of the end, the Great depression was significantly worse off than we are. I have seen graphs that show the Great Depression being 20 times worse economically than what we have now.

What is going on now is an ongoing cycle, the economy has a strong run then it corrects itself, its nothing out of the ordinary BUT we have a government that isnt exactly helping the process move along like it should. Interest rates have been above 20% in the 80's, gas prices have sky rocketed before.. it all happens but believe it or not, those who make a fortune do it in times like these.

It all depends on how you look at the glass.. at half empty the economy is falling apart, the housing market has tanked etc. At half full there are tons of real estate steals to be had, and we have seen the worse of this decline and beginning to move upward.

[Brett]

My question, first do you believe everything the government tells you?

Second, how do you feel about a war that is perceived to be about our freedom but could possibly have nothing to do with freedom and everything to do with the U.S remaining an economic power in the world?

I dont not believe everything and I do not think the war was about weapons either, BUT at the same time we have yet to see any of this oil for us in the U.S, they are supposed to pay for the rebuild with oil, but as far as I know the United States has yet to get any of this oil we are there to as everyone says take. If we were getting it, I can be sure the U.S would be relying nore on thiers which would lower our prices here

[Glides]

I see your connection but don't see that as the reason form going in. If what you say is correct then we can also assume that the attacks on 9/11 were orchastrated by the US as a way to go to war against the one man daddy bush didn't take down.

OPEC has also been talking about switching to the Euro instead of the dollar. It makes good business sense really. The Euro is one of the strongest currencies right now. It trades for almost 2 dollar to the euro. If I was a member of OPEC, and I sat back and saw how the US tries to dictate pretty much everything, I would do it too.

I agree with XLR8NMR2. The future for this country is so scary at this point in time, i'm glad im 38 so i'll be damm near old and dead when this new crop of sadass young people takes over. The youth today is quite possibly the stupidest, laziest and most Apathetic bunch of scrubs as there ever have been in our nations history. The instant gratification lifestyle coupled with ****ty parents who no longer spank kids has lead to just a bunchh of sorryasses. I'd rather shoot half the kids I see rather than try to talk to them with their pants around their ankles and disrespectful attitude to everything.

Getting close to time to move out of the country and go to greener paastures.

[HeLLo iM iZzY]

The future for this country is so scary at this point in time,

The youth today is quite possibly the stupidest, laziest and most Apathetic bunch of scrubs as there ever have been in our nations history.

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a. And especially with all those movies that have came out (Day after Tomorrow, 28 Weeks Later, I Am Legend, etc.) It really makes me think like what if something like that were to really happen? In those movies, hte government saves their own ass and leaves the people behind. I know it's just movies but I still sometimes think about it.

b. I'm still a youth but I'm definitely not lazy !

[Crazy Asian]

Duh isnt it obvious. There's more secrets about the US Government then we know. It's supposed to keep us safe but it's giving not but fear and suspicion. Nothing like the good ol US.

[Glides]

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a. And especially with all those movies that have came out (Day after Tomorrow, 28 Weeks Later, I Am Legend, etc.) It really makes me think like what if something like that were to really happen? In those movies, hte government saves their own ass and leaves the people behind. I know it's just movies but I still sometimes think about it.

b. I'm still a youth but I'm definitely not lazy !

The government couldn't handle Katrina, there is no way for them to handle anything on the magnitude of those movies. Course, I am Legend would be pretty easy, everyones dead. Nothing to handle.

Unfortunately, you being a youth get's you lumped in with all the other youth's. There are responsible ones, but the Jackass generation as a whole is pretty much useless. Though I will say, the only thing that generation has provided that was great is teenage porn. That generations porn pwns mine.

[KPowerEP3]

I see your connection but don't see that as the reason form going in. If what you say is correct then we can also assume that the attacks on 9/11 were orchastrated by the US as a way to go to war against the one man daddy bush didn't take down.

OPEC has also been talking about switching to the Euro instead of the dollar. It makes good business sense really. The Euro is one of the strongest currencies right now. It trades for almost 2 dollar to the euro. If I was a member of OPEC, and I sat back and saw how the US tries to dictate pretty much everything, I would do it too.

I agree with XLR8NMR2. The future for this country is so scary at this point in time, i'm glad im 38 so i'll be damm near old and dead when this new crop of sadass young people takes over. The youth today is quite possibly the stupidest, laziest and most Apathetic bunch of scrubs as there ever have been in our nations history. The instant gratification lifestyle coupled with ****ty parents who no longer spank kids has lead to just a bunchh of sorryasses. I'd rather shoot half the kids I see rather than try to talk to them with their pants around their ankles and disrespectful attitude to everything.

Getting close to time to move out of the country and go to greener paastures.

I agree with everything you said...except being old . Unfortunately, I too am lumped in with said sorry bunch of degenerates. The saddest part is that not only does it reflect poorly on our generation in this country, but on the U.S. as a whole. I'm a 3rd generation American, and in talking to some of my relatives in Ireland that I keep contact with, the foreign outlook on us is generally negative. I do know personally that anywhere you go in EU, if you pay much attention to the political climate, there is usually disapproval in the countries where their governments outwardly support some of the 'efforts' being made here. Once I'm in a financial and life position to do so, I fully plan on moving to Ireland simply due to the fact of the booming economy and other reasons.

[Alan®]

I dont support anything our government is doing under the leadership of that bumbling idiot bush. Furthermore we shouldn't be using our military for nation building.. we're over there doing not a damn thing, we're not liberating anyone. However, I support the fact that there are people just like me out there fighting to keep our country safe and putting their lives on the line.. i just wish they had a real motive instead of the horse **** the government made up. Fighting on a false pretense.. it must be awful.. and half of them know it... how can you possibly motivate yourself? We need to pull the **** out and leave them be.

1.If you don't support ANYTHING that our government is doing why are you still here?
2.I haven't seen any new colonies established abroad so how are we nation building.
3.Did we just not liberate Iraq from Saddam?
4.Nobody knew until after we got there that the intelligence was wrong. You honestly think Bush woke up one morning and went hey let's go invade Iraq It will be fun?

People like you are why this country is going to ****. GTFO

[RandomGuy]

I have been doing some reading on an interesting theory for an alternate reason we are in Iraq right now and it has nothing to do with weapons of mass destruction.

In a nutshell the U.S keeps its hold on oil through the American dollar, since it accounts for over 60% of all oil reserve activity and over 90% of all foreign exchange involves the dollar theoretically.. the U.S can act as the world bank by printing a currency that is accepted across the globe. If anything threatens this it could be detrimental to the value of the dollar (as we are seeing) and the U.S economy.

Stick with me cause I know it sounds boring but I'm sure you see where I am going with this. In 2000 Iraq (Second largest oil reserve in the world) announced that they will no longer accept dollars and only deal in Euros.. Since then we have gone into Iraq and installed a government that will maintain their oil reserves in U.S dollars. Other countries that are following expressed intent to drop the dollar and trade in Euros? Iran, Venezuela, China, Russia.. see a pattern?

My question, first do you believe everything the government tells you?

Second, how do you feel about a war that is perceived to be about our freedom but could possibly have nothing to do with freedom and everything to do with the U.S remaining an economic power in the world?

lolol jk man

but yeah the new world order is no joke (Not NWO-wolfpack with rick flair and sting, etc) its commonly confused

[BABY J]

1.If you don't support ANYTHING that our government is doing why are you still here?
2.I haven't seen any new colonies established abroad so how are we nation building.
3.Did we just not liberate Iraq from Saddam?
4.Nobody knew until after we got there that the intelligence was wrong. You honestly think Bush woke up one morning and went hey let's go invade Iraq It will be fun?

People like you are why this country is going to ****. GTFO

^^^ You are a kool guy it seems... but you are ALSO 100% proof that "the machine" works... and works well.

[RandomGuy]

1.If you don't support ANYTHING that our government is doing why are you still here?
2.I haven't seen any new colonies established abroad so how are we nation building.
3.Did we just not liberate Iraq from Saddam?
4.Nobody knew until after we got there that the intelligence was wrong. You honestly think Bush woke up one morning and went hey let's go invade Iraq It will be fun?

People like you are why this country is going to ****. GTFO

1) Isn't that the premise that the country was built upon? Sovereignty among the people.
2) Yes: Israel, for example.
3) Yes and No. We did under false pretenses. Was he a bad guy? IMO yes, but that still didn't give us the right to do that. There are tons of bad rulers in the world.
4)...... see baby J's post.

[Alan®]

1) Isn't that the premise that the country was built upon? Sovereignty among the people.
2) Yes: Israel, for example.
3) Yes and No. We did under false pretenses. Was he a bad guy? IMO yes, but that still didn't give us the right to do that. There are tons of bad rulers in the world.
4)...... see baby J's post.

1.Yes but why live in a place where you don't agree with anything the government does because if you don't agree with them they are obviously hindering upon your life. Get the point?
2.)I haven't seen the israeli flag exchanged for a U.S. one
3. You obviously don't have the first clue about military inteligence gathering. If you did then you would know that every country that has boots on the ground in Iraq were all operating off the same intelligence reports. So we went in with the wrong info but the pretenses were still the same.
4.)He's right I am a kool guy

[Kaiser]

I believe this is the beginning for the end as the American empire....as great as this nation is there is alot of things we aren't handling here that need to be fixed, Foreclosure is on the rise, bankruptcy is on the rise, alot of small business are shutting down shop and packing up elsewhere and the cost to get into college is ridiculous.

Not to mention our next generation of children that holds our future for us is scary, academically theres a shortage of teachers, classrooms, and kids are failing out of school with no care in the world....

Makes for a horrible future for us if you ask me.

Less than a hundred years ago, the people who shaped our generation often did not have well established school systems similar to the current system we see in place, the cost of college was significantly more in terms of percentage of income while there were significantly fewer of us going. There was a small elite class of professionals and educators who were able to meet entrance requirements to colleges that were designed to prevent far fewer applicants from gaining entrance, and college was not seen as a neccessity to have a decent paying administrative or managerial job. There were significantly fewer students at that time, and because of the current population surge and the age-ranges it followed, there are more students than the system is capable of handling now. I'm not worried about the generation after those who are in or leaving college now, because many of these problems will find solutions in the next 10-15 years, making for a much easier path through that for them, population growth has also slowed down here, making it easier for the systems to compensate.

Anyways, to the original question: No, I do not believe everything that the government tells me. Alternatively, I do not disbelieve it either. Instead, you have to know what part of the government lies (Elected officials) and what tells the truth (Agencies who run based on a corporate hire/fire basis with minimal appointees.) There's truth in everything, there WERE WMD in Iraq at the time of the intelligence. However that fact was broadcast FAR AND WIDE all over television networks right as the attacks commenced. It takes less than a day to load up wmds onto trucks, drive them to Syria and take the cash from them. Or to just bury them in the desert somewhere. It's not like American troops are running deep-bladed tills across the sand until they uncover this stuff...

Anyways, even if there WEREN'T WMD's in the area, it doesn't matter. Iraq posed no threat to us as an individual entity, instead if it posed a threat at all (Which I don't actually agree with) it was as an idea. Iran would be a tough nut to crack, as would Syria. Iraq on the other hand had a massively incompetent army that mostly played by the rules. Syria and Iran on the other hand (The homes of most of the insurgents in Iraq for the past few years) have huge guerilla units that can do a lot of damage with minimal casualties. Taking out Iraq was probably the single biggest step to quieting that area down though. We won't see the effects of it for years, but with today's events in Pakistan we may never see them. The truth is that the people of that region do not want peace with us, or with each other, or with themselves.

Oh, and if you feel the American Military should not be used for Nation Building, I applaud your principles. I also point out that the job of "Nation Building" has been the job of the professional military since the time of Rome. We didn't invent the wheel, we just put rubber on it and made it spin easier.

[Maniac1]

1.If you don't support ANYTHING that our government is doing why are you still here?
2.I haven't seen any new colonies established abroad so how are we nation building.
3.Did we just not liberate Iraq from Saddam?
4.Nobody knew until after we got there that the intelligence was wrong. You honestly think Bush woke up one morning and went hey let's go invade Iraq It will be fun?

People like you are why this country is going to ****. GTFO

Congrats! You just won the award for the most ignorant post, of the week.

Seriously, how can you sit here and type that? The last part of your post was the funniest. You are the reason why this country is going to sh!ts, you for being a blind individual and still thinking the United States is a place of freedom and that this war started cause of "Saddam", who made up a genius plan to hijack acouple plans and attack the pentagon and the twin towers. Thus, igniting this pointless war.

Lol yeah, acouple dudes that still dress like they would 50 years ago came up with this plan. :sarcastic:

[Alan®]

^wow did you think that up all by yourself? must have been hard because what you just said is that "Saddam", who made up a genius plan to hijack acouple plans and attack the pentagon and the twin towers. Thus, igniting this pointless war.

So not only are your blaming the war on the wrong person you also call a war to protect the lives of the citizens of the United States pointless?

[Maniac1]

^wow did you think that up all by yourself? must have been hard because what you just said is that "Saddam", who made up a genius plan to hijack acouple plans and attack the pentagon and the twin towers. Thus, igniting this pointless war.

Huh? Sorry, I don't understand stupidity.

So not only are your blaming the war on the wrong person you also call a war to protect the lives of the citizens of the United States pointless?

Huh? Sorry dude, like I said before, I don't understand stupidity.

[tony]

^wow did you think that up all by yourself? must have been hard because what you just said is that "Saddam", who made up a genius plan to hijack acouple plans and attack the pentagon and the twin towers. Thus, igniting this pointless war.

So not only are your blaming the war on the wrong person you also call a war to protect the lives of the citizens of the United States pointless?

If I recall Iraq had zero ties to the hijackers.. their ties led to Afghanistan so please explain to me how the world trade attacks had anything to do with Saddam Hussein and Iraq.

The original theory still has not been addressed.. please tell me you do not believe Oil and Economic supremacy has nothing to do with why we are in Iraq.

The "love it or leave it" mentality is amazing, a democracy is built with checks and balances.. one of those checks being the people. We are SUPPOSED to question the government, if we do not hold elected officials accountable then there is no telling how far it goes.

[§treet_§peed]

We SHOULD OF JUST DROPPED A BUNCH OF BOMBS ON THEM. edited for my sweetie pie

[RandomGuy]

The "love it or leave it" mentality is amazing, a democracy is built with checks and balances.. one of those checks being the people. We are SUPPOSED to question the government, if we do not hold elected officials accountable then there is no telling how far it goes.

[§treet_§peed]

Tony, can you get rid of post #26?

why you bitching Aex? hey you going on the mountain run this weekend? if you are let me catch a ride lol

[Maniac1]

why you bitching Aex? hey you going on the mountain run this weekend? if you are let me catch a ride lol

This thread wasn't made for sh!t like that, dude. Edit it, and yeah I might. I'll let you know Saturday.

[§treet_§peed]

Aight cool

[Alan®]

If I recall Iraq had zero ties to the hijackers.. their ties led to Afghanistan so please explain to me how the world trade attacks had anything to do with Saddam Hussein and Iraq.

The original theory still has not been addressed.. please tell me you do not believe Oil and Economic supremacy has nothing to do with why we are in Iraq.

The "love it or leave it" mentality is amazing, a democracy is built with checks and balances.. one of those checks being the people. We are SUPPOSED to question the government, if we do not hold elected officials accountable then there is no telling how far it goes.

your right thats not what im saying thats what maniac said supposedly thats what happened yet im the ignorant one

[Maniac1]

your right thats not what im saying thats what maniac said supposedly thats what happened yet im the ignorant one

It's you're.

And im not sure if you really understood what he posted. Here, read it again.

If I recall Iraq had zero ties to the hijackers.. their ties led to Afghanistan so please explain to me how the world trade attacks had anything to do with Saddam Hussein and Iraq.

[Fox351]

I believe that the govt is trying to make its money while still saving face...i.e. giving us this sugar coated sh!t lollipop reason like we are protecting the lives of Americans and liberating a country from a ruthless person...one of the points I agree with but doesn't give us the authority to do so....while the govt has a hidden agenda with the profit of oil and remaining one of the most powerful economical countries in the world...and it seems that we will do anything to do so...and yes redGT has a serious lack of brain power....he is like the person you see on the TV making stupid remarks and making him self look like a complete jackass.....Who does that sound like??????

[Maniac1]

and yes redGT has a serious lack of brain power....he is like the person you see on the TV making stupid remarks and making him self look like a complete jackass.....Who does that sound like??????

LOL! +1

[OneSlow5pt0]

the only question i have is...do yall think we would be better of with kerry as president?

[tony]

The ball was rolling well before the 2004 election, its hard to argue hard facts on a hypothetical.. there is no telling where we would be if Bush was not in office.

[OneSlow5pt0]

The ball was rolling well before the 2004 election, its hard to argue hard facts on a hypothetical.. there is no telling where we would be if Bush was not in office.

yea,i mean its so easy to 2nd guess things now,but right after 911 everyone was on the war wagon..........but this is not a war its a conflict

bush was told by his high ranking people that iraq had weapons,and i still think they do...i just dont think sadaam would have been naked in missle warfare...but we just cant pull out of iraq cause everything we have setup would fall apart,from the insurions(sp)...but i mean my best friend is in iraq right now,so id love to know he was back here and not in combat....but i just dont think sudden action is the right thing to do right now
and if u really wanna see the USA fall apart elect hillary

[Johnny Chimpo]

if u really wanna see the USA fall apart elect hillary

Or any Kool-aid drinker for that matter. Left FTL

[JITB]

post more, good reading

[Glides]

1.Yes but why live in a place where you don't agree with anything the government does because if you don't agree with them they are obviously hindering upon your life. Get the point?
2.)I haven't seen the israeli flag exchanged for a U.S. one
3. You obviously don't have the first clue about military inteligence gathering. If you did then you would know that every country that has boots on the ground in Iraq were all operating off the same intelligence reports. So we went in with the wrong info but the pretenses were still the same.
4.)He's right I am a kool guy

Man, i'm really having a tough time not laughing at you outright cause I like ya. But seriously, you need to hop off the Bushcocktrain and take in a little bit of light reading.

Every country that has boots on the ground in Iraq followed OUR intelligence reports. They followed OUR lead. WE did it and we did it on intelligence reports that were actually in effect since 1998 when Bill Clinton was still in office.

Memorable quote for you.

“I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.”
– Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

And another

“Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime … He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation … And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction … So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real…”
– Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003


Probably would be in the same boat with Kerry. OR a worse one when he didn't stay the course and pulled out early.

Oh yea.

“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members … It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.”
– Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

Hillary was in on it too. So was Bill

“If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.”
–President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

Tom Daschle and lots of other Democrats completely agreed.
“[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.”
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
– Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

And finally

Not two months after he signed the Iraq Liberation Act into law, President Clinton delivered an address to the nation explaining his decision to order air strikes against Iraqi military targets. He discussed the potential long-term threat posed by Saddam Hussein, stating,

“The hard fact is that so long as Saddam Hussein remains in power, he threatens the well- being of his people, the peace of his region, the security of the world. The best way to end that threat once and for all is with the new Iraqi government, a government ready to live in peace with its neighbors, a government that respects the rights of its people.

“. . . Heavy as they are, the costs of inaction must be weighed against the price of inaction. If Saddam defies the world and we fail to respond, we will face a far greater threat in the future. Saddam will strike again at his neighbors; he will make war on his own people. And mark my words, he will develop weapons of mass destruction. He will deploy them, and he will use them.”

The words, again, of President Clinton.

The intel was from 1998 and before, it was intel that was passed from the administration before to the Bush administration and that was all Bush needed (along with 9/11) to justify going to war with Iraq. If they would have bothered to update the intel, things might have been different. Instead, they went over there and found nothing. We waged war on a country, disposed a leader and in the process blew up one of the very first Lamborghini LM002's ever produced to test out an IED (for which I will NEVER forgive some ignorant American troops) all because we neglected to check things out first.

Here's a link to that fiasco. Stupid GI's
http://www.lamborghiniregistry.com/L...ayHussein.html

See, I do have an idea of Military Intelligence gathering having gathered it on the Soviet Navy while serving in the Military. It's not fail safe and is wide open to interpretation unless it involves concrete evidence such as pictures and even those can be altered. It consists of first hand accounts, hearsay and outright guesses and hunches. Add all that up, let it sit on a desk somewhere in paper trail land and when someone finally gets around to looking at it, it's usually no good or expired. And that is just on non-sensitive stuff like Rusiian naval ships.

In the end we failed. We didn't use prudence and forthought before leaping headlong into was war with the Middle East. Because in the end, that is what we did. We attacked Iraq, Iraq is leading to Afghanistan and on to Iran. From there, who knows where it will lead. But unless someone puts a stop to the madness, it will eventually lead to bad times for us. Believe that.