dude wastes 2 ****ing thieves in texas.

Killing people over property isnt the legitimate way to solve things unless its to save another life or protect someone. If you are smart w/ the law and even have some what of a conscious you wouldnt kill over something like that. Sorry if there are some coldblooded people out there but God knows what to do regardless of what the law does. So maybe if you have a lil conscious and you kill afterwards you might think alot differently in life and what you should have done. The guy says he is sorry he did it and feels guilty about it probably the rest of his life. Talking smack over the net is easy, but think to yourself if you were in the real situation would you do it and feel some kind of a burden on yourself about the live's you just stole from someone. Stealing a possession is one thing, but taking a live is alot worse.

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Originally Posted by Greddypacked

Killing people over property isnt the legitimate way to solve things unless its to save another life or protect someone. If you are smart w/ the law and even have some what of a conscious you wouldnt kill over something like that. Sorry if there are some coldblooded people out there but God knows what to do regardless of what the law does. So maybe if you have a lil conscious and you kill afterwards you might think alot differently in life and what you should have done. The guy says he is sorry he did it and feels guilty about it probably the rest of his life. Talking smack over the net is easy, but think to yourself if you were in the real situation would you do it and feel some kind of a burden on yourself about the live's you just stole from someone. Stealing a possession is one thing, but taking a live is alot worse.

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jesus christ you sound like a ***** "god knows" haha what a fag :gay: . the world is a better place without the two ****ing thieves who gives a **** about their life lost how would they benefit the community? you think they are out stealing for charity wtf just cause you are a ***** and woundnt kill them dose not mean all the rest of us have to tuck our ****s and act like bitches just keep your pusssyass ideas for your boyfriend and stay the **** out of my thread. also thanks for the PM douchebag it touched my heart. :gay:

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Originally Posted by Greddypacked

He was wrong to shoot the robbers w/ a shotgun. A shotgun is not the best weapon to hold in your house for defensive reasons. If he had a regular handgun and shot them in the legs it would have been alright case. The robbers got wounded in the legs and arrested. He purposley shot them w/ a shotgun (shotgun is pretty much death when close range). He should not be allowed to carry a shotgun anymore and serve a lil time. I mean come on, if i witnessed that w/ a shotgun i would probably shoot up straight in the air and say freeze. Dont move or i will shoot. If they see a shotgun they will stop. This is why we have police, some civilians get scared and panick during these circumstances and do something they shouldnt. I understand if it was his house and they had a gun on them, but they had crowbars.

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No way dude, a shot gun is practically the American staple mark of the "right to bear arms" and home protection. For that very reason. It's good at short ranges, because it's designed that way. That's why people typically use buck shot, so your bullets don't go flying through your neighbors wall, and kill his sleeping daughter while shes in her crib.

I don't get why some people don't get that thieves are just scum and have absolutely NO useful input to society at all. Big flucking whoop, thief gets caught and gets taken out. I'll also bet thats what these guys did on a regular bases [robbing people of hard earned possessions], who knows how many people walked out side in previous months and found their stuff stolen from those thugs. Would i kill someone for breaking into my car or my neighbors car? Probably not, but totally flucking up their world should be in order. But i have no sympathy for them getting killed.

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Originally Posted by Ruiner

Yes, they are, but not always in the timely fashion that you may want. That may or may not be in their control, but cops can't be everywhere at once. Sometimes you have to "protect" your own stuff w/o the benefit of the cops being there.

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Exactly,
Just before Thanksgiving, Jenn and I were at O'Charley
s and we overheard a conversation going on at the bar. Apparently this guy came in and sat down at the bar and was already very drunk, but he ordered some food. After he ate, he tried to get more alcohol, but the bartender would not serve him. Guy gets up and walks out. Well, they get the manager and what not to go get him to come back in to pay. By this time they had already called Gwinnett co. police. We were there for about another 15min and the cops still had not come and the guy was leaving the parking lot. Still no cops. After we were done eating, we saw the guy in a parking lot across the street so we called the cops and told them where he was. More then 20 minutes went by before the cops finally showed up. Man got arrested for public drunkenness...very luck not to get a DUI (which he should have).

Lesson? took the cops ~45min to respond to a person who was getting into a car very drunk and driving away.

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Originally Posted by Greddypacked

If he had a regular handgun and shot them in the legs it would have been alright case. The robbers got wounded in the legs and arrested.

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Sean Taylor of the Washington Redskins was shot in the leg and he died from it. Popped some kind of artery. So your hopefully scenario might not have panned out how you'd like. Save the "better chance" rebutle.

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Originally Posted by Leadfoot_mf

jesus christ you sound like a ***** "god knows" haha what a fag :gay: . the world is a better place without the two ****ing thieves who gives a **** about their life lost how would they benefit the community? you think they are out stealing for charity wtf just cause you are a ***** and woundnt kill them dose not mean all the rest of us have to tuck our ****s and act like bitches just keep your pusssyass ideas for your boyfriend and stay the **** out of my thread. also thanks for the PM douchebag it touched my heart. :gay:

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I'm of the firm belief that god has absolutely nothing to do with it. Tim surely you aren't of the belief that all thieves should be shot and killed. You're more intelligent than that. I'm not saying I'm gonna shed a tear over two assholes getting shot and killed for breaking into someones house; but there are actually people in this world that learn from their mistakes. Granted, when you rob a house, getting shot is one of the risks of the job; and most of the people that go to prison come out better prepared for life as a criminal than they were before they went in.

I believe in the individuals, ability to change his or her life style; should he approach it seriously, and desire it sincerely. The problem is, once these people get locked up, many of them aren't rehabilitated at all. They're watered, fed, and walked like hostile, upright walking, pets; but there's little to no effort made to change the thought processes, or behavioral patterns that lead to the criminal behavior in the first place.

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Originally Posted by DrivenMind

I'm of the firm belief that god has absolutely nothing to do with it. Tim surely you aren't of the belief that all thieves should be shot and killed. You're more intelligent than that. I'm not saying I'm gonna shed a tear over two assholes getting shot and killed for breaking into someones house; but there are actually people in this world that learn from their mistakes. Granted, when you rob a house, getting shot is one of the risks of the job; and most of the people that go to prison come out better prepared for life as a criminal than they were before they went in.

I believe in the individuals, ability to change his or her life style; should he approach it seriously, and desire it sincerely. The problem is, once these people get locked up, many of them aren't rehabilitated at all. They're watered, fed, and walked like hostile, upright walking, pets; but there's little to no effort made to change the thought processes, or behavioral patterns that lead to the criminal behavior in the first place.

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what we need is punishment that fits and actually make it not worth committing the crime in the first place. but until that happens if more people shoot and killed thieves maybe they would start to look for another way to make money... like selling drugs, pimping and prostitution. :goodjob:

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Originally Posted by Leadfoot_mf

what we need is punishment that fits and actually make it not worth committing the crime in the first place. but until that happens if more people shoot and killed thieves maybe they would start to look for another way to make money... like selling drugs. :goodjob:

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New law that permits the use of lethal force to prevent the use, distribution, or exchange of illegal drugs? Hellz yeah!

look people.....if this guy was so in fear of his life, he would have stayed his ass inside the house-period, end of story. did you hear the first 911 call? he was itchin to get out there and shoot somebody. i don't necessarily think that those two robbers needed to be alive, but it was in no way Joe Horn's responsibilty to kill them, or even a decision he had to make. The cops were on their way, he could've done his civic duty by just staying on the phone with the 911 operater and giving the police all the details so they could catch them. He is soooooo lucky that they only had crowbars because he could've easily been shot if they had guns. Last time I checked it's hard to kill two people with one shot. He would've been shot long before he got off his second shot. Too many people in America want to shoot first. I do agree with the right to bear arms and the right to protect myself, but this guy wasn't protecting himself. He put himself in harms way by going outside. He was specifically told by the 911 operator to stay in the house. No possesion is worth dying over.

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Originally Posted by rndockery98

look people.....if this guy was so in fear of his life, he would have stayed his ass inside the house-period, end of story. did you hear the first 911 call? he was itchin to get out there and shoot somebody. i don't necessarily think that those two robbers needed to be alive, but it was in no way Joe Horn's responsibilty to kill them, or even a decision he had to make. The cops were on their way, he could've done his civic duty by just staying on the phone with the 911 operater and giving the police all the details so they could catch them. He is soooooo lucky that they only had crowbars because he could've easily been shot if they had guns. Last time I checked it's hard to kill two people with one shot. He would've been shot long before he got off his second shot. Too many people in America want to shoot first. I do agree with the right to bear arms and the right to protect myself, but this guy wasn't protecting himself. He put himself in harms way by going outside. He was specifically told by the 911 operator to stay in the house. No possesion is worth dying over.

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see that is what the problem is. if more people would take this kind of action maybe more thieves would look for a new line of work.

Justifiable cause right?



p.s


This thread makes me think of GTA 1 for ps1


"WASTED"

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Originally Posted by Leadfoot_mf

see that is what the problem is. if more people would take this kind of action maybe more thieves would look for a new line of work.

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but more thieves would start carrying guns also, so the result would probably be more innocent people dying than thieves.

I don't know man, if you give people that liberty, they'll take way to much advantage of it. Next thing you know kids will be getting shot by their neighbors trying to sneak into their own houses at night, or even better when Johnny goes to visit his girlfriend while her dads out of town, and her car's parked in the closed garage, and the neighbor blows his head off upon exiting the building.

It's a little extreme, but I wouldn't put it past some American to be in such a hurry to get his gun off, that they'd fail to realize who they're shooting at.

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Originally Posted by DrivenMind

I don't know man, if you give people that liberty, they'll take way to much advantage of it. Next thing you know kids will be getting shot by their neighbors trying to sneak into their own houses at night, or even better when Johnny goes to visit his girlfriend while her dads out of town, and her car's parked in the closed garage, and the neighbor blows his head off upon exiting the building.

It's a little extreme, but I wouldn't put it past some American to be in such a hurry to get his gun off, that they'd fail to realize who they're shooting at.

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well then they get to go to jail if they are in the wrong. bottom line dont do ****ed up **** dont get shot.

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Originally Posted by Greddypacked

Killing people over property isnt the legitimate way to solve things unless its to save another life or protect someone. If you are smart w/ the law and even have some what of a conscious you wouldnt kill over something like that. Sorry if there are some coldblooded people out there but God knows what to do regardless of what the law does. So maybe if you have a lil conscious and you kill afterwards you might think alot differently in life and what you should have done. The guy says he is sorry he did it and feels guilty about it probably the rest of his life. Talking smack over the net is easy, but think to yourself if you were in the real situation would you do it and feel some kind of a burden on yourself about the live's you just stole from someone. Stealing a possession is one thing, but taking a live is alot worse.

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F@$% that! As I stated earlier they did not care about their own lives or they wouldn't break into a house that could possibly have an armed person inside (or in this case an armed neighbor next door). What do you think would of happened if they got halfway thru the house, and found the homeowner was at home unarmed? I'm not just talking big on the net. I hate theives. If someone breaks in my house, and I'm home they are getting a few shells of turkey shot. I will shoot to kill. I don't want them coming back after they heal to get me back. If it's my neighbors house, I will call the cops (but that's only for legal reasons). If someone robs me while I'm walking down the street, I will let them have what they want, but if I'm carrying that day they are getting it as soon as they turn around. I work too hard for all my stuff, and someone thinking they are just going to come take it from me doesn't work for me.

All im saying is if they are not armed, no reason to blow their heads off w/ a shotgun. Detain them w/ a firearm until proper authorities come. This way not only will you be more of a hero to the community and the law you didnt kill anyone in the process. If they have no firearms i see no action to shoot to kill. Now if they did i wouldnt hesistate, but they had crowbars please. Shotgun>3 crowbars.

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Originally Posted by SL65AMG

theres a difference between someone taking something out of your backpack out in public, and when someone is breaking into your home where you and your family and your children, if you have them, are supposed to be safe.

if you think that these two situations are even remotely comparable you should be knocked the fuc.k out.

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That was not the situation here though was it? It was not his house, he was in absolutely no danger if he just stayed inside and called the cops. if you think that these two situations are even remotely comparable ...

If someone breaks into your house, you feel your life is threatened and you kill them, I have no problem with that. But killing someone solely for stealing (thats like 1000 eyes for an eye) is just gonna land you in prison for 25 to life. But hey, one less thief right? Go for it!

in my opinion is that if someone that i did not know came into my house uninvited with an intent to steal, they will be shot. but if it was somewhere else where they run off with my wallet, i will beat the sh!t outta them and hold them til the cops come.

in this situation where that man shot the two thieves, i think they didnt deserve to die or shot dead with a shotgun. he should have just held them off til the cops came or since it was his neighbors house, he should have stayed the fu*k inside and called the cops and actually help them instead of going outside blowin these two thieves away. he wanted to go outside and shoot them anyways. he was itchin for a shot on the phone. but nonetheless, at least two thieves less to worry about that died by some crazy ass......

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Originally Posted by Greddypacked

1. your comment has no point. 2. if you cant shoot someone in the leg w/ a gun for defense you need alot more training and target practice. 3. Glad you got a laugh at it because you made no sense.

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Wait, you are joking, right? :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

Have you ever shot a pistol? Better yet, have you ever shot a gun and tried to hit a moving LEG at say, 10 yds? :lmfao:
Any SANE Person knows that you go for CENTER mass; the chest.

Let me ask you this: do police shoot in the legs? Nope. They aim for center mass.

What if you shoot them in the "leg" and they still continue to come at you? Better yet, what if you shoot them in the leg and they shoot you back?

Just because you shoot someone in the arm/leg doesn't mean that they will stop!!! Adrenaline is an amazing thing and it worries me that you believe in shooting in the arms/legs! Ahahahhaha.

Better yet, what if you shoot him in the leg and it hits his femoral artery? Yeah, he's a goner at that point.

You watch too many movies, son.

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Originally Posted by rndockery98

but more thieves would start carrying guns also, so the result would probably be more innocent people dying than thieves.

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Most/may thieves do carry guns, though. You just never know who is armed and who isn't. That is why you need to take control of the situation. When they approached him in HIS yard, he didn't know if they had guns or not nor should he have to "see" them first. They confronted him as well and under fear of his own personal safety, he shot.

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Originally Posted by Greddypacked

All im saying is if they are not armed, no reason to blow their heads off w/ a shotgun. Detain them w/ a firearm until proper authorities come. This way not only will you be more of a hero to the community and the law you didnt kill anyone in the process. If they have no firearms i see no action to shoot to kill. Now if they did i wouldnt hesistate, but they had crowbars please. Shotgun>3 crowbars.

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So wait, as long as the person robbing you is not armed, you do not shoot them?

Let me ask you this: how do you determine if they are not armed?

Do you ask them? Do you wait to see their guns? How do you make that determination? Just because you can't "see" the gun doesn't mean that it isn't there. I carry a pistol on me most of the time and nobody can "see" it exposed.

i would have done the same thing

someone breaks into my house they are not walking away, thats my home and my family and im going to do everything it takes to protect them, if that means putting a bullet in someones chest that broke into my house your damn right. now, im good friends with my neighbor, however a shotgun would not have been my weapon of choice in the matter, wouldn't have shot to killed just shot to injure and disable, however in the state of gerogia you will get in MUCH more trouble for shooting someone and or pulling a gun on them than you will just shooting and killing them. i worked very hard for everything i have and im going to protect it and my family.

^^^I agree. Texas has passed a law where you can shoot to kill protecting you or your neighbors property from criminals, but here in Georgia that dude would have gone to prison w/ the 911 recording as evidence. They would have said you deliberatly went out there and shot the victims, you even admited it before they stepped foot in your yard.

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Originally Posted by Ruiner

So wait, as long as the person robbing you is not armed, you do not shoot them?

Let me ask you this: how do you determine if they are not armed?

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That question is irrelavant for this scenerio. If i have a gun pulled out at the target and they are not armed w/ no weapons in their hands take control of the situation. Tell the criminal to put your hands behind your head and lay flat on your stomach. Cops use this defense for a reason, not only to handcuff the victim and search for weapons, if the victim slightly moves for a weapon (BOOM!). I dont have to explain what happens next.

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Originally Posted by Leadfoot_mf

what we need is punishment that fits and actually make it not worth committing the crime in the first place. but until that happens if more people shoot and killed thieves maybe they would start to look for another way to make money... like selling drugs, pimping and prostitution. :goodjob:

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in the mid east, you get your hands chopped off

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Originally Posted by rndockery98

look people.....if this guy was so in fear of his life, he would have stayed his ass inside the house-period, end of story. did you hear the first 911 call? he was itchin to get out there and shoot somebody. i don't necessarily think that those two robbers needed to be alive, but it was in no way Joe Horn's responsibilty to kill them, or even a decision he had to make. The cops were on their way, he could've done his civic duty by just staying on the phone with the 911 operater and giving the police all the details so they could catch them. He is soooooo lucky that they only had crowbars because he could've easily been shot if they had guns. Last time I checked it's hard to kill two people with one shot. He would've been shot long before he got off his second shot. Too many people in America want to shoot first. I do agree with the right to bear arms and the right to protect myself, but this guy wasn't protecting himself. He put himself in harms way by going outside. He was specifically told by the 911 operator to stay in the house. No possesion is worth dying over.

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Originally Posted by DrivenMind

I don't know man, if you give people that liberty, they'll take way to much advantage of it. Next thing you know kids will be getting shot by their neighbors trying to sneak into their own houses at night, or even better when Johnny goes to visit his girlfriend while her dads out of town, and her car's parked in the closed garage, and the neighbor blows his head off upon exiting the building.

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Good points. So many posts sound so caviler but not many of them appear to have much thought put into them. I have no sympathy for thieves but, praising this guy as a hero is ridiculous. After hearing the 9-1-1 call, he sounds more like an opportunist than a hero.