Is stealing wrong?

I download. Music mostly and on the oncassion movies. Its no different than borrowing a cd or dvd from one of my friends and listening to it on my computer. P2P means that someone else has bought the cd or dvd and has decided to share it with the public and let them borrow that cd or dvd. I download out the ass. If someone has bought the cd and put it on the net for others to listen than its been paid for in full and they are just letting other listen. If it was illegal I would have a heartattack though. I would just listen to the radio.

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Originally Posted by dartingd

Yes, but someone could come out of nowhere and then what. People aren't around when these guys download music. Does that make it okay?

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Okay I'll chime in on this one because the whole bootlegging of American Gangster kind of pissed me off.

I do not think Daniel (iloveboost) is debating about the legality of pirating music/software/movies so the argument of "well you speed so you are breaking the law" is irrelevant.

It is the fact that there is an economic consequence to the act of pirating media. Someones livelyhood, the ability to put food on their table or furthermore dollars that would be going into the U.S economy are being stolen. It may seem small time since someone like 50 Cent makes a couple of million off a record or Denzel gets paid $20 million to do a movie but if you do not contribute to the cause then the talent gets shelved.

Suddenly there isn't a chance to develop new technologies in movie making because there is no return on the investment.. or that new album you've been wanting from an up and coming artist never releases because they're not selling records, although plenty of people have the songs on their computer or iPod. While that may sound extreme that is basically cause and effect, your investment has a lot more power than you think and to short change everyone else so you can steal is nothing less than wrong.

The free market will deal with greedy record companies, Radiohead is a good example of what is to come.

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Originally Posted by tony

The free market will deal with greedy record companies, Radiohead is a good example of what is to come.

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Can you elaborate on the radiohead thing? I haven't heard anything on this.

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Originally Posted by Z32redondo

I download. Music mostly and on the oncassion movies. Its no different than borrowing a cd or dvd from one of my friends and listening to it on my computer. P2P means that someone else has bought the cd or dvd and has decided to share it with the public and let them borrow that cd or dvd. I download out the ass. If someone has bought the cd and put it on the net for others to listen than its been paid for in full and they are just letting other listen. If it was illegal I would have a heartattack though. I would just listen to the radio.

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I thought P2P downloading of music was illegal?

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Originally Posted by Z32redondo

I download. Music mostly and on the oncassion movies. Its no different than borrowing a cd or dvd from one of my friends and listening to it on my computer. P2P means that someone else has bought the cd or dvd and has decided to share it with the public and let them borrow that cd or dvd. I download out the ass. If someone has bought the cd and put it on the net for others to listen than its been paid for in full and they are just letting other listen. If it was illegal I would have a heartattack though. I would just listen to the radio.

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lol IT IS illegal

why do you think they shut down napster...

As far as movies go... you can not publically broadcast a movie without written permission from its creator (read the disclaimer every once in a while the FBI warning and etc.. lol)


now lets see if you really do have a heart attack bc you're about to get pwnz0red by IA's peanut gallery

radiohead is only releasing their album online (from their site i believe)

i use itunes i ust to rip movies from online but hey i didnt have a job back then every one has done it atleast once ! lmao

I use iTunes so im cool, I've never downloaded movies, nor will I ever do it. Whats the big deal wasting $10 for a movie.

i just want one track.. not a whole cd..

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Originally Posted by tony

I do not think Daniel (iloveboost) is debating about the legality of pirating music/software/movies so the argument of "well you speed so you are breaking the law" is irrelevant.

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In a way, it isn't irrelevant. Read below.

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Originally Posted by tony

Someones livelyhood, the ability to put food on their table

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But at least there is a livelihood for those guys. When you "street race" and someone dies, then there is NO livelihood for that person. It may not be caviar or Dom on the table every night, but at least there's something to eat. I'll take Ramen noodles over dirt any day. At least when I download someone's music, I'm not putting that person in harm's way. See what I mean? Now, I'm not discrediting the argument for the topic at all. Like I said, I don't go balls to the wall with my downloads. I probably have a total of 40-50 songs on my HD and these are all old school **** that I just put together for a CD of my own listening enjoyment. Later, QD.

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Originally Posted by RandomGuy

lol IT IS illegal

why do you think they shut down napster...

As far as movies go... you can not publically broadcast a movie without written permission from its creator (read the disclaimer every once in a while the FBI warning and etc.. lol)


now lets see if you really do have a heart attack bc you're about to get pwnz0red by IA's peanut gallery

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Damn I always thought it was, based on the fact that you can still download so many other programs like napster. Guess im buying a better radio lol.

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Originally Posted by dartingd

Can you elaborate on the radiohead thing? I haven't heard anything on this.

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Quoted from Wikipedia:

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Starting in late September 2007, visitors to the band's website were redirected to a new website set up to take orders for the album, which was released in two formats.One form was a digital download for which the customer was able to name their own price, the other a "discbox" which included the In Rainbows CD, a bonus CD from the recording sessions, a vinyl edition of In Rainbows contained in two vinyl records, and a hardcover book. This discbox was available for purchase from the "In Rainbows" website for £40 (US$82), and will be shipped to customers in early December. Radiohead initially released their seventh album, In Rainbows, solely as a digital download, in October 2007. It was reported that on the day of its release, 1.2 million copies of In Rainbows had been sold as digital downloads.Radiohead, however, have not released any official sales figures for In Rainbows.

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Basically Radiohead cut out the middle man (big record company) and sold direct to the consumer and did so suprisingly well. This is what technology does for consumers, it makes purchases such as these much more efficient.. money wasted on the big record companies stays in your pocket, the artist has a direct connection with their fans and still offer a quality product. Its a win/win situation so there is really not a reason to steal music, if you like an artist you are supporting them directly.

Madonna has jumped on board this format as well, it will be much harder for an up and coming artist to accomplish the same feat but what Radiohead has done is get the proverbial ball rolling on a shift in the industry.

^^^thnx...from what i've read, drm free is the big thing going on now...itunes songs are not drm free right now, but amazon stuff and emusic i think are...i wanna get a subscription to something soon, but not sure what...what's the best provider out right now?

I'll use a pirated copy of Windows any day of the week and they'll never miss it (or any other personal user). Get a price quote on a volume license for your corporation and you'll see where they really make their money.