Well don't you think if the plane is moving then there will be airflow? However fast the plane is traveling forward is how fast the air speed over and under the wings will be...Quote:
Originally Posted by d993s
If the plane isn't going anywhere then neither is the treadmill ;)
in a shopping cartQuote:
Originally Posted by d993s
yes the plane will be moving, i admit it, it will be moving in place. no airflow.Quote:
Originally Posted by speedminded
No, there won't be airflow under its wings unless a magical 150mph headwind came out of God's ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by speedminded
Or on rollerblades or a skateboard, so I can land safely.Quote:
Originally Posted by LS2_KID
If I wanna fly to Alaska, I'll get on that treadmill with skis on!
If the plane isn't going anywhere then it's at 0mph and so is the treadmill. If the plane is going forward, as in engine(s) are winding up and the planes is traveling forward...if you were in a open-top bi-plane you'd feel the wind against your face around your WWII goggles, helmet, and scarf...within a few seconds you're getting up to 40mph, the trees are going past you at 40 mph...the treadmill beneath you is going 40mph in the opposite direction making your wheels spin at 80mph but you are STILL going 40 mph forward...a few more seconds you'll be traveling 60mph, the treadmill is going towards you at 60mph and your wheels are spinning at 120mph....you're still going forward 60mph...the trees and barns are going past you at 60mph.Quote:
Originally Posted by LS2_KID
How on earth will there not be any airflow? Grab a bottle of Grand Platinum if you have to and read above.Quote:
Originally Posted by d993s
speedminded, this is a real question.. when you see this on tv and ur wrong then what?
also dont say "i wont be wrong"
just lets say you are wrong
I'll put $500 on it right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by LS2_KID
LS2 Kid, the answer may be "no" but the logic you are using to arrive there is full of holes, I think you are missing the point.
I think a swift kick to the temple would be in order.Quote:
Originally Posted by LS2_KID
really you would? this isn't worth 500 bucks to me and i said im not totally sure so why would i do this?Quote:
Originally Posted by speedminded
yes i know i havent explained everything thoroughly.Quote:
Originally Posted by kyle
Then you're not confident in your knowledge or your ability to grasp a basic concept, I'm sure Ruiner would put it down too.Quote:
Originally Posted by LS2_KID
Do you add in your own variables for the sake of winning an argument?Quote:
Originally Posted by speedminded
:blah: :blah: :blah: i've already stated that im not confident in my answer (not knowledge) and i have even said if one of you all prove this to me ill stand by my answer till the show. honestly most of my posts in here have been whoring.Quote:
Originally Posted by speedminded
and congrads, you scared me with your big bet :goodjob:
I only whored with truth
and if this were true why wouldn't treadmills be on aircraft carriers
Because it must first be proved (and approved) by Myth****ers.Quote:
Originally Posted by LS2_KID
It's another conspiracy. Must have something to do with the Kennedy assassination or Area 51. Yes
What variables? There are no variables, none what so ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by d993s
If the plane isn't going anywhere then the treadmill isn't moving, it's that simple. If the plane is indeed going somewhere then it is progressing forward and cutting through the wind and once it gains enough speed creating enough lift it will take off....it is completely irrelevant that the "ground" beneath is moving, it can be moving backwards the same speed the plane is traveling forward or it can be moving backward five times the speed of the plane...the only effect the treadmill has is the speed at which the wheels on the plane turn. It has no effect what so ever on the planes ability to accelerate and take off.
I think you're close to it clicking, not quite but close...Quote:
Originally Posted by LS2_KID
even if it can created lift, the wheels wouldn't make it and it would go out with a bang
so did this epsiode ever come on yet or did i miss it?
dec. 12th
The treadmill is the same length as a runway or whatever length the plane needs to take off.Quote:
Originally Posted by LS2_KID
The whole point of this experiment is to see if people can grasp and understand the idea that the wheels on a plane are free spinning and have no effect what so ever on the forward motion of a plane.
either way the wheels wont be able to take itQuote:
Originally Posted by speedminded
What speed do you think planes land? Faster than they take off? You think aeronautical equipment is designed to be used at it's extreme limit? The bearing and tires should not have a problem withstanding double what they get put through. AND if the treadmill is spinning backwards the same speed the plane is traveling forward then the wheels are going exactly twice as fast as they would on normal take off BUT the plane is still accelerating and taking off as normal.Quote:
Originally Posted by LS2_KID
honestly dude, im too tired to read :lmao:Quote:
Originally Posted by speedminded
The plane was supposed to be stationary as the ground under the treadmill, therefore NO AIRFLOW UNDER THE WINGS WHICH WOULD BE ESSENTIAL FOR LIFT, NOT FORWARD MOTION!Quote:
Originally Posted by speedminded
So, your variable states that if the plane was going faster than the belt on the treadmill, then yes it could take flight, (assuming it had enough power to propel itself to whatever speed it normally needs for takeoff on a runway, + the speed at which the treadmill is spinning at) Agreed, but that's not what the circumstances and plan are. Read the article. It states that the treadmill will spin at the SAME speed as what the plane would normally become airborne on a runway, therefore the plane would be stationary with no airflow under its wings. That's why and how it WOULDN'T lift off. Get it?
Sure, but that still leaves the plane on the treadmill because it's not actually GOING ANYWHERE AS FAR AS DISTANCE IS CONCERNED, AND IT STILL NEEDS AIRFLOW UNDER ITS WINGS TO LIFT OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by speedminded
Where does it say the plane is stationary? If the plane is stationary then so is the fucking treadmill, as in if the plane is moving 0mph then the treadmill is moving 0mph.Quote:
Originally Posted by d993s
If the plane is MOVING forward at 50mph, as in relation to the surrounding air...as in relation to the ground the treadmill is sitting on...as in relation to the building and trees it's traveling past then the treadmill is going the opposite direction at 50mph. The plane is still moving, it's wheels are just spinning twice as fast.
It's not stationary, it's not traveling in place, the speed of a plane is calculated by the surrounding air...if it's moving at 100mph then the air is going over and under it's wings at 100mph.
THE plane is not stationary. It's moving forward so there is airflow. The wheels do not effect it taking off. THE WHEELS DO NOT PROPEL THE PLANE. They are free rolling, it doesnt matter which way the wheels spin, the plane is moving forward due to thrust.Quote:
Originally Posted by d993s
RIGHT, what the hell gives you the idea that a treadmill will effect the air that sits above it. Just because the treadmill is moving backwards, doesnt mean the air in free space is moving backwards as well. And IF that were the case, then the plane would actually generate MORE life.Quote:
Originally Posted by d993s
Dumb.
lol
**** cars & airplanes, treadmills are where its at.
einstein's relativity theory owns you ****s.
I figured out what they are saying. This is why it won't take off.
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t...9/airplane.jpg
Because what good would it do? You still need 1000 feet of runway whether it's a firm surface or a treadmill.Quote:
Originally Posted by LS2_KID
Interesting debate.
I would need more info before I would put my wager down. I have voted, but just from gut feeling about how the Mythbusters are going to do it.
Try a minimum of 3,000 ft, what most small private airstrips are and that's just barely enough to get a leer jet on...and i wouldn't exactly say "safely" :tongue:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Shadow
*sigh*Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Shadow
Shame, J. You should always vote with me. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaimecbr900