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Originally Posted by d993s

Maybe. You must have had a friend with a blonde GF that drove your car that night. I guess it's possible.

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Then it was me, but I can assure you that I did not "know" about my car. :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:I mean, I did my own mods! Perhaps I didn't want to discuss mods? It wasn't for lack of knowledge, though.

I can tell you exactly what the stock boost is vs what I can chip it up to on the stock turbos/fuel system. I can tell you the gains from an exhaust or a 6psi jump in boost. I can tell you how the coilover suspension is tuned or how the headers really don't provide that much hp gain over the stockers.

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Originally Posted by d993s

What's a "Porsche chip guy"?

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There were some Upsolute reps there at a few meets.

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Originally Posted by speedminded

That was me man, i took his girl and the TT out but he doesn't know...until now, thanks. Sorry i don't know much about watercooled Porsches except how to drive the **** out of both of them.

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Cool. Did you JDM the **** out of it too?

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Originally Posted by Ruiner

There were some Upsolute reps there at a few meets.

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Got it.

However, if you would like to ask me about mods, feel free to ask away. Ask me the same questions that you wanted to know about. No idea why I would seem "clueless" about mods to a car that I owned and helped mod on my own. Dunno...

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Originally Posted by Ruiner

Then it was me, but I can assure you that I did not "know" about my car. :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:I mean, I did my own mods! Perhaps I didn't want to discuss mods? It wasn't for lack of knowledge, though.

I can tell you exactly what the stock boost is vs what I can chip it up to on the stock turbos/fuel system. I can tell you the gains from an exhaust or a 6psi jump in boost. I can tell you how the coilover suspension is tuned or how the headers really don't provide that much hp gain over the stockers.

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You mean reflash.............or did you have a one-of-a-kind OBD1 996TT?

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Originally Posted by d993s

Cool. Did you JDM the **** out of it too?

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naw, I did however hang a soshinoya badge in the rear window.

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Originally Posted by Ruiner

However, if you would like to ask me about mods, feel free to ask away. Ask me the same questions that you wanted to know about. No idea why I would seem "clueless" about mods to a car that I owned and helped mod on my own. Dunno...

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Why? Because there are a lot of people who have more $ than skills, and they prefer to take their cars to a shop and say "I want x amount of HP; do it".
That's not very impressive when it comes to "modding" a car.
I have more respect for DIY'ers.

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Originally Posted by d993s

You mean reflash.............or did you have a one-of-a-kind OBD1 996TT?

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Helllllloooooo....Flashloader Chip.

*edit*
Here ya go, straight from AWE...

http://www.awe-tuning.com/pages/shar...s&IL=GIACChips

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Originally Posted by d993s

You mean reflash.............or did you have a one-of-a-kind OBD1 996TT?

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Being that ODBII started in '96, no.

Actually, Upsolute didn't just do an ODBII flash like GIAC. Instead, they physically soldered another chip onto the main board if my memory serves me. That is why you had to send it off (physically take the ECU out of the car) to have the work done.

Like I said, I'm not "clueless" about the 996TTs...

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Originally Posted by speedminded

Helllllloooooo....Flashloader Chip.

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Right, and is that chip physically installed into the DME, or are its contents uploaded?
OBD1=chipped
OBD2=reflash

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Originally Posted by d993s

Right, and is that chip physically installed into the DME, or are its contents uploaded?
OBD1=chipped
OBD2=reflash

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he answered above...either way it's still "chipped", not just a reflash.

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Originally Posted by d993s

Why? Because there are a lot of people who have more $ than skills, and they prefer to take their cars to a shop and say "I want x amount of HP; do it".
That's not very impressive when it comes to "modding" a car.
I have more respect for DIY'ers.

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You are talking to the wrong person. I am a DIY'er. Where did you get the idea that I wasn't? Remember, I built my 3000GT VR-4.

I put on my own suspension. I changed my own plugs. I changed my own oil/fluids. I put on my own exhaust (and 2 others on cars that belonged to friends). I installed my own SSK. I did all of my own work. I switched out the rear wiper.

Where did you get that idea from?

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Originally Posted by Ruiner

You are talking to the wrong person. I am a DIY'er. Where did you get the idea that I wasn't? Remember, I built my 3000GT VR-4.

I put on my own suspension. I changed my own plugs. I changed my own oil/fluids. I put on my own exhaust (and 2 others on cars that belonged to friends). I installed my own SSK. I did all of my own work. I switched out the rear wiper.

Where did you get that idea from?

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Don't forget even helped me change your tire :tongue:

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Originally Posted by speedminded

Don't forget even helped me change your tire :tongue:

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Ahahahha, that was ****ed up. I had to have gotten that puncture in the ****ing parking lot. Gah.

Yeah, I'm still not sure where he got that I wasn't a "DIYer" on my Porsche. Many people aren't, but the 911 turbo owners that I know are.

Granted, I DID have to take it to someone so that they could corner balance it after I put the suspension on....yikes!

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Originally Posted by Ruiner

You are talking to the wrong person. I am a DIY'er. Where did you get the idea that I wasn't? Remember, I built my 3000GT VR-4.

I put on my own suspension. I changed my own plugs. I changed my own oil/fluids. I put on my own exhaust (and 2 others on cars that belonged to friends). I installed my own SSK. I did all of my own work. I switched out the rear wiper.

Where did you get that idea from?

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I didn't say you weren't a DIY'er. I just stated I have more respect for DIY'ers.
I talked to a guy who claimed he owned the 996TT, and he seemed rather clueless; maybe it was someone else........
And the GIAC "option" for the "chip" installs the chip for multiple programs, as opposed to a usual reflash that's done by uploading software into the DME, without removing it and taking out any chips.

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Originally Posted by Ruiner

Ahahahha, that was ****ed up. I had to have gotten that puncture in the ****ing parking lot. Gah.

Yeah, I'm still not sure where he got that I wasn't a "DIYer" on my Porsche. Many people aren't, but the 911 turbo owners that I know are.

Granted, I DID have to take it to someone so that they could corner balance it after I put the suspension on....yikes!

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WTH, you telling me you don't keep 4 scales at your house?! What kind of Porsche owner are you that doesn't corner balance his car after adding weight like a picnic basket before taking his girl to the park?!!! Jeeeze, sportscar drivers these days :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by d993s

I didn't say you weren't a DIY'er. I just stated I have more respect for DIY'ers.
I talked to a guy who claimed he owned the 996TT, and he seemed rather clueless; maybe it was someone else........
And the GIAC "option" for the "chip" installs the chip for multiple programs, as opposed to a usual reflash that's done by uploading software into the DME, without removing it and taking out any chips.

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It installs for multiple options for which you can switch a "key fob" to chose a program depending on your fuel as well.

It flashes..sorry. When I say "chipped" I don't always literally mean a new "chip" in the ECU.

btw, david did i tell you i might be buying a porsche? :yes:

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Originally Posted by LS2_KID

btw, david did i tell you i might be buying a porsche? :yes:

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NO! You're already a cocky little ******!
What were you looking at?
The 996TT is an excellent choice for the $; some have made over 800whp with bolt-ons. You can find stock ones for around $50k.

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Originally Posted by d993s

NO! You're already a cocky little ******!
What were you looking at?
The 996TT is an excellent choice for the $; some have made over 800whp with bolt-ons. You can find stock ones for around $50k.

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From 450 to 800hp with bolt-ons? Dyno's please and how many minutes did the car last?

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Originally Posted by d993s

NO! You're already a cocky little ******!
What were you looking at?
The 996TT is an excellent choice for the $; some have made over 800whp with bolt-ons. You can find stock ones for around $50k.

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800whp = over $60,000 in "bolt on" mods, minimum (labor included). You will have to do the internals as well. That is one hell of a process that will cost you more than what you pay for the car on the used market.

Here is the parts list from the IA 800hp kit:'

Included in this kit:

• Custom Garrett turbos machined in KKK housings to ensure no fitment issues.
• Custom spring wastegates with custom billet hold downs.
• High flow Muffler (loud or street)
• 100 Cell racing cats (pair)
• Custom billet Compressor bypass valves. (pair)
• EVO Flo Intake
• SS triangle collector stainless steel headers
• GIAC Custom software GT700 software
• Aluminum intake ducts
• High pressure silicone hose kit including "F" hose for BOVs
• high capacity fuel pump
• SS fuel line, custom fittings and filter
• High capacity custom fuel injectors
• CNCed billet adapter plate with venturi for custom throttle body
• Large throttle body
• Modified "Y"pipe (core return)
• Race Rods
• GT3R oil pump
• Aircraft quality head studs
• Ported and polished heads
• custom valve springs
• blueprinted and balanced internal componets
• high strength rod bolts
• Light Weight flywheel
• Custom iA Pressure plate and disc
• Enclosed Transport to iA and return home
• all labor associated with build and kit
• Flashload switch technology is available as an option
• iA Clutch Kit

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Originally Posted by Ruiner

800whp = over $60,000 in "bolt on" mods, minimum (labor included). You will have to do the internals as well. That is one hell of a process that will cost you more than what you pay for the car on the used market.

Here is the parts list from the IA 800hp kit:'

Included in this kit:

• Custom Garrett turbos machined in KKK housings to ensure no fitment issues.
• Custom spring wastegates with custom billet hold downs.
• High flow Muffler (loud or street)
• 100 Cell racing cats (pair)
• Custom billet Compressor bypass valves. (pair)
• EVO Flo Intake
• SS triangle collector stainless steel headers
• GIAC Custom software GT700 software
• Aluminum intake ducts
• High pressure silicone hose kit including "F" hose for BOVs
• high capacity fuel pump
• SS fuel line, custom fittings and filter
• High capacity custom fuel injectors
• CNCed billet adapter plate with venturi for custom throttle body
• Large throttle body
• Modified "Y"pipe (core return)
• Race Rods
• GT3R oil pump
• Aircraft quality head studs
• Ported and polished heads
• custom valve springs
• blueprinted and balanced internal componets
• high strength rod bolts
• Light Weight flywheel
• Custom iA Pressure plate and disc
• Enclosed Transport to iA and return home
• all labor associated with build and kit
• Flashload switch technology is available as an option
• iA Clutch Kit

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Sure, that's one way of doing it..........but not essential. Imagine Auto is not the only shop that can do it, most of it is a DIY process for some people.

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Originally Posted by Ruiner

800whp = over $60,000 in "bolt on" mods, minimum (labor included). You will have to do the internals as well. That is one hell of a process that will cost you more than what you pay for the car on the used market.

Here is the parts list from the IA 800hp kit:'

Included in this kit:

• Custom Garrett turbos machined in KKK housings to ensure no fitment issues.
• Custom spring wastegates with custom billet hold downs.
• High flow Muffler (loud or street)
• 100 Cell racing cats (pair)
• Custom billet Compressor bypass valves. (pair)
• EVO Flo Intake
• SS triangle collector stainless steel headers
• GIAC Custom software GT700 software
• Aluminum intake ducts
• High pressure silicone hose kit including "F" hose for BOVs
• high capacity fuel pump
• SS fuel line, custom fittings and filter
• High capacity custom fuel injectors
• CNCed billet adapter plate with venturi for custom throttle body
• Large throttle body
• Modified "Y"pipe (core return)
• Race Rods
• GT3R oil pump
• Aircraft quality head studs
• Ported and polished heads
• custom valve springs
• blueprinted and balanced internal componets
• high strength rod bolts
• Light Weight flywheel
• Custom iA Pressure plate and disc
• Enclosed Transport to iA and return home
• all labor associated with build and kit
• Flashload switch technology is available as an option
• iA Clutch Kit

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bingo, i know exactly what's involved for 650-700hp and it's MUCH more than just "bolt-ons" ;)

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Originally Posted by d993s

Sure, that's one way of doing it..........but not essential. Imagine Auto is not the only shop that can do it, most of it is a DIY process for some people.

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List the "bolt-ons" and show the dyno.

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Originally Posted by d993s

Sure, that's one way of doing it..........but not essential. Imagine Auto is not the only shop that can do it, most of it is a DIY process for some people.

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Not on a 3.6L flat-6 it isn't....not for that type of horsepower.

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Originally Posted by speedminded

List the "bolt-ons" and show the dyno.

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I have to do some searching........(will take some time), but it has been done.
Subract the profit that a shop makes off a customer for labor and parts and you get actual cost that a DIY will pay.

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Originally Posted by d993s

I have to do some searching........(will take some time), but it has been done.
Subract the profit that a shop makes off a customer for labor and parts and you get actual cost that a DIY will pay.

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For 700+awhp, you need to open up the engine and put it back. That, alone, is a 65hr process and you have to have special machines to do the job.

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Originally Posted by d993s

I have to do some searching........(will take some time), but it has been done.
Subract the profit that a shop makes off a customer for labor and parts and you get actual cost that a DIY will pay.

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I didn't ask for a cost, didn't say anything about what it would cost...just saying 800whp on a stock engine isn't going to happen unless you expect it to grenade within minutes.

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Originally Posted by Ruiner

Not on a 3.6L flat-6 it isn't....not for that type of horsepower.

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Well your local dealer tells people not change their own O2 sensors..........depends on what you know and what you're willing to do yourself.
Some people pay $1000 to have a bolt-on nitrous kit installed.

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Originally Posted by d993s

Well your local dealer tells people not change their own O2 sensors..........depends on what you know and what you're willing to do yourself.
Some people pay $1000 to have a bolt-on nitrous kit installed.

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It has nothing to do with who is doing the work or what they are charging or what was spent on it.

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Originally Posted by speedminded

It has nothing to do with who is doing the work or what they are charging or what was spent on it.

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Correct. Above 600-650awhp, it is typically suggested to go with stronger set of rods/pistons in the 3.6 boxer engine. I know this as I have a friend that owns a shop in Cali that does this very thing...he has tried it on his cars and knows the cut-off point for the stock internals.

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Originally Posted by Ruiner

For 700+awhp, you need to open up the engine and put it back. That, alone, is a 65hr process and you have to have special machines to do the job.

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Yeah right.........just like 8 years ago when a 2JZ couldn't make 600whp on a stock internal motor......or when a 1.8t motor couldn't make 300whp.......
Now they magically can.

I have a weak signal on my wifi card now; I'll look up some info later.

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Originally Posted by d993s

Yeah right.........just like 8 years ago when a 2JZ couldn't make 600whp on a stock internal motor......or when a 1.8t motor couldn't make 300whp.......
Now they magically can.

I have a weak signal on my wifi card now; I'll look up some info later.

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I know many 996TT owners on 6speedonline who have tried to "push" the limits of the stock internals and bent a few rods... They all seem to fail around 650ish awhp. Some before, some later.

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Originally Posted by Ruiner

I know many 996TT owners on 6speedonline who have tried to "push" the limits of the stock internals and bent a few rods... They all seem to fail around 650ish awhp. Some before, some later.

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Well I know 1 guy makes 850+whp on stock internals, GT3076WG turbos, and 110 octane. Tuning is the key.

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Originally Posted by d993s

Well I know 1 guy makes 850+whp on stock internals, GT3076WG turbos, and 110 octane. Tuning is the key.

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I'd love to know who he is 'cause he seems to have some miracle 996TT...

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Originally Posted by Ruiner

I'd love to know who he is 'cause he seems to have some miracle 996TT...

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Yeah, that's what a shop would say.......

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Originally Posted by d993s

Yeah right.........just like 8 years ago when a 2JZ couldn't make 600whp on a stock internal motor......or when a 1.8t motor couldn't make 300whp.......
Now they magically can.

I have a weak signal on my wifi card now; I'll look up some info later.

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Well please enlighten us as soon as you can, I know people currently building 750whp Porsche's right now and i'm sure they would love to know about these "secrets".

On that note, Cleve's car was a blast to get mutilated by in the mountains...

Yeah, that GT2 belongs to Cleve and it has a ton of internal work done to it.

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Originally Posted by d993s

Yeah, that's what a shop would say.......

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No, 850whp on the stock internals of a 3.6L boxer engine is not going to happen. It was opened up. Otherwise, it will pop very quickly.