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    You don't have to know how to spell everything in the dictionary, and you don't have to have the serial-semicolon rule embroidered on a pillow, but if you have reached voting age in the United States, you need to know the basics of English usage, because if you don't, you look like an idiot. No, don't. Don't start with that "grammar Nazi" business. Don't get all "nobody gives a shit about that crap" and "it's so anal, who cares" and "well, you know what I mean." I give a shit about that crap. I know it's anal, but I care, and so do a lot of other people -- people who respect you, but might respect you less when you dash off an email to the effect of "I'll meet you their"; people in a position to give you a job, who won't because you didn't proofread your cover letter and they don't appreciate your addressing them as "Deer Ms. So-And-So." And no, in fact, I don't know what you mean when you write me a hate thread that reads, "You're thread sucks," because that doesn't mean anything. Because it's grammatically incorrect. Because you've substituted a contraction of a verb phrase for an adjective, thus rendering the sentence nonsensical. And it makes you look stupid, and therefore I cannot take you seriously. Sorry, but it's the truth.

    You're/your. "You're" is a contraction of "you are." "Your" is a modifier. Very simple. Do not use "you're" to modify nouns. "Your keys." "Your desk." Do not use "your" as a second-person verb phrase. "You're up early." "You're leaving?" Here's a phrase with both: "You're moving your car, right?" In other words, you are moving the car that belongs to you. "You're" = verb phrase. "Your" = adjective. Everyone biffs it once in a while, but take it from someone who sees it over and over and over again, every day -- it's a glaring error. Learn it, live it, love it.

    Speaking of "every day": "Every day." That's an adjectival or adverbial phrase. "Everyday" is an adjective describing activities, clothing, or whatever. When do you go? "Every day." What do you wear? "Everyday business attire."

    Its/it's. Probably the most frequent grammatical error, and thus the most maddening, but it's the same principle as the "you're/your" rule above: "it's" is a contraction of "it is," and "its" is a modifier. Do not use "it's" to modify nouns. "Its trunk." "Its charter." Do not use "its" as a verb phrase. "It's raining." "It's hard to say." Here's a sentence with both: "It's got a dent in its fender." In other words, it has a dent in the fender that belongs to it. Take a minute when you write "it's" or "its" and make sure you've got the right one; people get paranoid that they need an apostrophe, so they'll throw one in when they don't need it. "It's" = verb phrase. "Its" = adjective. Learn it, live it, love it.

    They're/their/there. More of the same. "They're" is a contraction of "they are." "Their" is a modifier. "There" is a place. If you don't know which one to use, slow down for a minute and think about which one you need. "They're going there" and "their going there" don't mean the same thing. If "they are" doing something, use "they're." If something belongs to them, use "their." If it's a place they're headed on their trip, use "there." Got it? Good. And it's not spelled "thier." Or "the're." Spell-check is your friend. Learn it, live it, love it.

    Who's/whose. Fourth verse, same as the first. "Who's" is a contraction of "who is." "Whose" is a modifier. You'll run into problems with this most often in dependent clauses, like so: "The president, who's also the chairman of the board, is very ill." Because, see, he is also the chairman of the board. Or "the president, whose chairmanship is at stake, is very ill." Because, see, it's his chairmanship. Stop. Look at it. Decide which you need: a verb phrase, or a pronoun. "Who's" also functions as an interrogative, so if you need to ask a question about someone, you don't use "whose." "Who's got the bong?" "Who's coming tonight?" "Who's that?" is correct, and "Whose that?" is incorrect. This is not difficult. One fits in one situation; the other fits in the other. Figure out the situation; use the right one.

    Subjective/objective pronouns. Okay, here's the deal with these. If the pronoun is the object of a verb, it takes the objective case. (The objective case means words like "them," "us," "him," "her," and "me.") So many people got drilled as kids not to start sentences with "me and Sharon" blah blah blah that they think they have to put a subjective pronoun into every phrase or it doesn't sound right. Well, that doesn't sound right either; it sounds ignorant. "That's a matter for he and I to decide." Well, no, it isn't. It's a matter for "him and me" to decide, actually. Because "he" and "I" function as objects of the preposition "for." Here's another: "It's between he and I." No, it's between "him and me." Objective pronouns, remember? "Between" is a preposition. Prepositions always activate the objective case -- him, her, me -- and the subjective case follows the subject. Now here's a famous historical quotation that's not correct: "We have met the enemy, and it is us." "It is we" is correct, because the verb "to be" always takes a subjective pronoun, unless it's in the infinitive. "It is I," but "I've got to be me." I know it's tough to untangle sometimes, but here's the bottom line: if there's a preposition or an "action verb" in the sentence, you use the objective case. "She's coming with" who? Me. Us. Them.

    Where/we're/were. These aren't even close to each other. "Where" is an interrogative, or an indefinite pronoun. "We're" is a contraction of "we are." "Were" is the past tense of "are." Again, take a second to see that you've used the right one. "Were going to the movies"? Huh?

    Then/than. "Then" is an adverb. "Than" is a comparative. One denotes time; the other is the connective tissue of a sentence that signals a comparison, an upcoming subjunctive or dependent clause, or one of those other fun things that sentences contain. "I would rather eat nails than have to sit through another dance recital." "I will eat nails, and then I will sit through another dance recital." See the difference there? "Than again" isn't a phrase. It's "then again." Things do not "cost less then" other things. A "than/then" mistake is usually a careless one, but that doesn't make it less annoying. So proofread, and stop doing it.

    Affect/effect. Subtler, but still crucial. Ninety-nine times out of a hundred, "affect" is the verb and "effect" is the noun. You "affect" things; you "have an effect on" things. You can also "effect" changes, and in that case the verb doesn't mean "have an effect," but rather "put into effect." With me so far? "The report didn't affect our projections, at least not in its effect on consumers, but it did give us the chance to effect a few changes in the retail workplace." (Yeah, yeah, "affect" can work as a noun, too, but unless you work in the mental-health field, it's not relevant here.) Brass tacks: "affect" is the verb, "effect" is the noun. When in doubt, grab a Webster's and make sure you've got the right one.

    Less/fewer. Use "less" for quantity and "fewer" for number. Huh? Okay. You go shopping. You need apples. You don't see as many apples as you saw the last time you went to the store, so you see what? Fewer apples. That's right. But maybe the store reduced its produce selection, so there's not as much fruit overall. So there's what? Less fruit. Good. "Many/much" is analogous, and you can use it as a cheat to figure out which one is correct; if it's something you can enumerate, you'd use "many," and if you use "many," "fewer" is correct. If it's something you quantify, you'd use "much," and when you use "much," "less" is correct. Whew -- that's complicated. Here's a simpler example: less noise, fewer decibels. Got it? En masse, it's "less." Individual units, "fewer."

    The Apostrophe That Came In From The Cold. Ask yourselves: why is the apostrophe there? "Uh, because it's a plural?" Survey says: EHHHHHHH. "Green bean's"? No. "Welcome shopper's"? Absolutely not! Wrong, wrong, wrong. Ignorant, ignorant, ignorant. An apostrophe is used to shorten ("cannot" becomes "can't") or to employ the possessive ("Sarah's"). It is NOT USED in the plural. EVER. It is used at the FRONT of a decade abbreviation ("'80s"), NOT in the middle ("80's"), because you don't mean that something belongs to the number 80. See? Because "eighties" is a plural. It's NOT a possessive. So don't USE the apostrophe, because you don't NEED it. And when you use an apostrophe to denote a possessive with a name or place that ends in "S," you need to add another "S," unless it's a plural ("the Joneses' house"). "The princess's car." "Cletus's truck." The only names that don't take another "S" at the end: Jesus and Moses. Don't question it. Just learn it. Once more, with feeling: PLURALS do NOT take an APOSTROPHE. Under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. At ALL. No, they sure don't. No, they still don't. No. NO!

    Lie/lay. Oh, brother. Even the shittiest English teacher should have drilled you on the difference between lying down and laying something down, but just in case, school's in, and today's lesson is about transitive and intransitive verbs. A transitive verb requires an object or an action; you use a transitive verb to do or place or kick or haul or affect (not "effect," mind) someone or something. Lay is transitive. It is something you do to something else. You cannot just, you know, "lay around." An intransitive verb does not require an object; it's something that the actor can do all on his/her/its own -- think, lie, wonder, run, stuff like that. "Lie" is intransitive; it's something you just do. So can you lay on your bed? No, you can't. You can lie on your bed, and you can lay a book down on your bed. That's all there is to it. You lie; you lay things. (You all can figure out the conjugation of "to get laid" on your own time.)

    "Myself" and "me"? Not synonymous. "Myself" is a qualifier used for emphasis, or to mean "I alone" in the objective case. It does not replace the objective pronoun, which is "me." "Just submit the memo to him and myself." No, no, NO. It's not just incorrect -- it betrays an ignorance of correct usage. It's one of those errors people make (similar to using "utilize" instead of "use" or "pursuant to" instead of "as we discussed," although these aren't wrong, just pretentious) because they think it makes them sound smarter. Guess what? It doesn't work, because in this instance, it's incorrect. It works here: "I myself would prefer not to drive." Or here: "I don't want to go by myself." Do not substitute it for "me" in prepositional phrases. It's pompous, and it's wrong.

    "Judgment." One "e."

    "Accommodate." Two "c"s, two "m"s.

    Yeah, you. Write those down.

    Which/who/that. Oh, god. I hate which/who/that because it's so difficult to explain clearly, but let's give it a go. To quote MC Hammer, "Ring the bell -- school's back in." It's time to learn about restrictive and nonrestrictive clauses. A restrictive clause gives necessary information about the noun it modifies, and is not set off by a comma, like so: "The essay that went up on May 7 stinks." A nonrestrictive clause gives supplemental information about the noun, and the sentence doesn't need it to make sense. It's set off by commas, like so: "The essay, which went up on May 7, stinks." Restrictive clauses use "that." Nonrestrictive clauses use "which." In either case, if "that" or "which" modifies a person, it uses "who." Use the comma as your guide. Well, provided you've used the comma correctly, but don't get me started on that.

    Lose/loose. These words do not mean the same thing. Please proofread. Please. "Lose" means misplace. "Loose" means not tight. Not the same thing. They aren't even homophones. Proofread. Proofread again. Get your roommate to proofread. Thank you.

    "Irregardless" is not a word. You mean "irrespective." Yes, you do. No, trust me -- that's what you mean. Okay, perhaps you mean "regardless." But you don't mean "irregardless," because "irregardless" isn't a word.

    Breath/breathe. You "breathe." Or, you "take a breath." Verb gets the "e," noun doesn't. Period.

    "Appraise" and "apprise" don't mean the same thing.

    Neither do "stationary" and "stationery."

    Very unique. "Unique" suggests that nothing else like it exists. So either it's unique, or it isn't. Good luck with that "VERY UNIQUE FLASH WEBSITE DESIGN" business, o spammers of the world, but it's like "pregnant" -- either the condition exists, or it doesn't. It's not subject to an adverb.

    Web site. Not "sight." Not "cite." SITE.

    It's called a shift key. You get two of them with your keyboard -- for free! Expend the extra four seconds and capitalize "I" and the first words in sentences. No, no, see, I'm not asking. I'M TELLING YOU.

    And while I'm on the subject of free stuff: See "unique." It's free or it isn't. It costs nothing or it doesn't. It's not "absolutely free." It's not "free of charge." It's just free. Free means "absolutely no charge," don't you know. Oh, you didn't know? Well, now you know.

    Of/have. I know the contraction of "would have" sounds like "would of." But it's spelled "would've," because it's the contraction of "would have." Stop. Look at it. "Would of"? Wrong. "Could of"? Also wrong. "Should of"? Yeah, now you've got it.

    Advise/advice. "Advise" is the verb. "Advice" is the noun. I get this one a lot because I have an advice column. Where I advise people. When they ask for advice. Okay? Okay. No, it's not a British-ism. You advise people who ask for advice.

    Intents and purposes. Yeah, I thought it sounded like "intensive purposes" too, for years. It isn't. "For all intents and purposes." Think it over -- "intensive purposes" doesn't make sense, does it? No, not really.

    Preventive. Not "preventative." My MS spell-check doesn't flag it, but it's still wrong.

    Orientated. Ditto. It's "oriented." Oh, but it's a sentence regarding an orientation? Then say "went through orientation." "Orientated" is absurd.

    Conscious/conscience/conscientious. "Conscience" gives you a pang when you do something bad; "conscientious" is the adjective form of "conscience." It's tough to spell -- it took me two attempts just now -- but you should know what it means. "Conscious" (and "consciousness") -- horse of a totally different color. And breed. In fact, it's a cow. It means you're awake, or alive, or not in a coma. Another one where you'll just have to put the brakes on and look at it closely to make sure you've got the right one.

    A lot. Not "alot." Unless it's Sir Mixalot. And I think even he hyphenates the damn thing. It is, always has been, and ever shall be two separate words.

    All right/altogether. I don't know why "altogether" is fine and "alright" is not, but I do know that I missed "all right" in a fourth-grade spelling bee and I've never forgotten it. Two words again. All. Right. All right? And it's not "alrighty," either. It's "all righty."

    Definitely. It is definitely not spelled with an "a," anywhere, at any time, under any circumstances. I cannot STAND seeing "definately." CANNOT STAND IT. Your spell-check should catch that, and if it doesn't, find it yourself.

    Separate. The "e"s go at the ends, the "a"s go in the middle. It's not "seperate." Please learn to spell "separate" correctly. Please. Or -- wait for it -- run a spell-check.

    To/too. "Too" means also, or "very much so." "To" doesn't. I know it's tough to catch, such teeny little words that look so much alike, and spell-check is no help. Try. No, try harder than that. Harder. There you go.

    Truly. No "e." None. Not a one. Not "truely." Never ever.

    Ridiculous. It IS NOT rediculous, got it? There is NO "e" in there and never was.

    Sale/Sell. You sell a car while you put a car up for sale. "For sell" makes no sense. Listen, "sale" is a noun while "sell" is a verb. It is very simple.
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    Cliffs Notes: The way that you type here on IA is a true reflection of how you spell/compose your thoughts in real life. I don't want to hear the "I only type this way on the internet" excuse. No you don't. You just have the benefit of spell check and grammar correct in MS Word.
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    hey man u know i was just messin with you right?

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    lol damn get pissed off about grammer Ruiner!
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    so I'm not the only one that this bugs? lol
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    Unfortunatly it appears you skipped of the most annoying things.

    "honduh wheels for sell"
    "big screen t.v. for sell"
    "everything in the garage for sell."


    its for SALE you fucking morons get it right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel
    hey man u know i was just messin with you right?
    Yes, but this type of thing just bugs the shit out of me. You can really tell a lot about someone's education (or lack of) by the way that they type.
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    Ok... I don't really care what you think. I'm usually a pretty good speller, and generally if there's an error, it's a typo.. But on something like this, it doesn't really bother me if somebody can't spell "ridiculous".. I knew what he was saying, and this isn't a spelling bee. I understand you're a professional... or atleast I assume you are since you drive a Porsche, but alot of the people on here are teenagers to early 20's and comprehension is more important than spelling to me atleast... Some people just aren't good spellers, as long as they know they are trying to say and aren't like "u shuld come ovur to i house" i honestly dont care.. Just my 2c, I know they aren't worth much but oh well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruiner
    Yes, but this type of thing just bugs the shit out of me. You can really tell a lot about someone's education (or lack of) by the way that they type.
    OMG - I agree completely!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spyder Man
    Unfortunatly it appears you skipped of the most annoying things.

    "honduh wheels for sell"
    "big screen t.v. for sell"
    "everything in the garage for sell."


    its for SALE you fucking morons get it right.
    I can't cover everything, but I'll add it.
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    LMAO
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    Thanks Ruiner. Some people needed to read this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HyPer50
    Ok... I don't really care what you think. I'm usually a pretty good speller, and generally if there's an error, it's a typo.. But on something like this, it doesn't really bother me if somebody can't spell "ridiculous".. I knew what he was saying, and this isn't a spelling bee. I understand you're a professional... or atleast I assume you are since you drive a Porsche, but alot of the people on here are teenagers to early 20's and comprehension is more important than spelling to me atleast... Some people just aren't good spellers, as long as they know they are trying to say and aren't like "u shuld come ovur to i house" i honestly dont care.. Just my 2c, I know they aren't worth much but oh well.
    Comprehension is not an excuse for poor spelling AND (let's not forget this) grammar usage. You and I both know that. Most mistakes are grammar usage, not spelling errors. There/Their/They're are all spelled correctly, but their grammar usage is significantly different.

    Here's the thing: Basic English grammar, spelling, and usage is something that you pick up in Elementary school. You might pick up a little bit more in Jr. High, but you get the idea.

    If they are in their late teens, early 20's and still haven't figured this out, chances are they never will.
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    oh, and people who use numbers for words got 2 go ? i hate that shit too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B16a2 Civic
    Thanks Ruiner. Some people needed to read this.
    I will probably get a lot of hate for this, but those are typically the offenders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruiner
    Comprehension is not an excuse for poor spelling AND (let's not forget this) grammar usage. You and I both know that. Most mistakes are grammar usage, not spelling errors. There/Their/They're are all spelled correctly, but their grammar usage is significantly different.

    Here's the thing: Basic English grammar, spelling, and usage is something that you pick up in Elementary school. You might pick up a little bit more in Jr. High, but you get the idea.

    If they are in their late teens, early 20's and still haven't figured this out, chances are they never will.
    True, but there is another problem. So many people can't spell, if you tried to correct every mistake you see, you would have a million posts by now.. The easiest way, just look past it.
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    Cliff notes please

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    Quote Originally Posted by HyPer50
    True, but there is another problem. So many people can't spell, if you tried to correct every mistake you see, you would have a million posts by now.. The easiest way, just look past it.
    A. It's not my fault that they can't spell.

    B. I typically correct grammar, not spelling. This thread is more about grammar than it is about spelling. That, to me at least, is more important than correct spelling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruiner
    B. I typically correct grammar, not spelling. This thread is more about grammar than it is about spelling. That, to me at least, is more important than correct spelling.

    I'll definatly agree with you on that part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by civic95
    Cliff notes please
    Wtf? There were already some at the bottom!
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    Your paragraphs arent indented j/k

    I swear some of the stuff written here would give an English teacher a stroke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruiner
    I will probably get a lot of hate for this, but those are typically the offenders.
    Thats understandable.
    Kind of like if you made a thread about people who have 2 legs, the 1 legged people would come in here and get pissed off.

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    It only grabs my attention when the word is spelled completely wrong...other than that...I don't give a shit. We aren't on here writing English papers.
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    Soo cud u explain it all again fer us that still don't get it? that wud be great!

    Above is yet another example of things that i commonly see and they drive me crazy. Contrary to popular belief there are both a "o" and an "l" in could and would.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyPer50
    I'll definatly agree with you on that part.
    definitely
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    But you don't see that ALL the time! It's cool...I guess if it bothers you, I just don't think it's a big deal. I get on IA for other reasons than to pay attention so much to grammar mistakes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruiner
    definitely
    I thought this wasn't about "speelin"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruiner
    definitely
    ya ya ya lol.. you could also point out that I occasionally leave words out completely = P My brain shoots words out faster than I can type them heh.

    I will admit tho, some words just always mess me up.. Like "definitely" and "misspell".... I can never remember if it's just one s or 2 heh. Oh well, nobody is perfect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B16a2 Civic
    Thats understandable.
    Kind of like if you made a thread about people who have 2 legs, the 1 legged people would come in here and get pissed off.
    hahahahahahhhhahaha Very True

    I typically try to be grammatically correct but i do not place to much concern on correctiveness online. I personally think that it takes away from the enjoyment.

    Aside from common mistakes, some people Blatantly violate the fundamentals of the english language; so i understand where you all are coming from.

    I make mistakes here and there but i have college papers to back up my extraordinary sentence formation transitions and word usuage (just to name a few)!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaurenK
    But you don't see that ALL the time! It's cool...I guess if it bothers you, I just don't think it's a big deal. I get on IA for other reasons than to pay attention so much to grammar mistakes.
    I see simple grammar mistakes in almost every thread on IA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevykev
    hahahahahahhhhahaha Very True

    I typically try to be grammatically correct but i do not place to much concern on correctiveness online. I personally think that it takes away from the enjoyment.

    Aside from common mistakes, some people Blatantly violate the fundamentals of the english language; so i understand where you all are coming from.

    I make mistakes here and there but i have college papers to back up my extraordinary sentence formation transitions and word usuage (just to name a few)!
    Sounds like your very educated to me.
    I, too, have intelligence on forming sentence, subject-verb agreement and basically.....the english language. But, i choose to type incorrect, but as Kevin stated, it would take away from the enjoyment of being online.

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    i know i'm horrible w/ grammer thats why i'm in the computer industry spell check

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevykev

    I typically try to be grammatically correct but i do not place to much concern on correctiveness online. I personally think that it takes away from the enjoyment.
    Okay, I give you this issue: If you use correct "grammar" in the real world, it should be second nature that you use correct grammar online. There should not be a distinction between the two mediums.

    Would you agree with this or not?

    Because I use correct grammar at work, when I write papers, etc, I use correct grammar ANYTIME that I write (online or not). I would specifically have to try and write incorrect grammar online since I use correct grammar in every other facet of my life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B16a2 Civic
    Sounds like your very educated to me.
    I, too, have intelligence on forming sentence, subject-verb agreement and basically.....the english language. But, i choose to type incorrect, but as Kevin stated, it would take away from the enjoyment of being online.
    you're

    So, you intentionally typed "your" instead of "you're"? I find that hard to believe.
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    kan u reed dis??? <<< if yes then who cares, if not then your fucking blind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruiner
    you're

    So, you intentionally typed "your" instead of "you're"? I find that hard to believe.
    Back off of him Ruiner, he has "intelligence" on writing "sentence".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruiner
    you're

    So, you intentionally typed "your" instead of "you're"? I find that hard to believe.
    Well, im working (customer service) and typing at the same time. It's a little difficult doing both. I did not intentially put your rather then you're or you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by admin
    kan u reed dis??? <<< if yes then who cares, if not then your fucking blind.
    Brail please.
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    Damn the grammar patrol is in full effect in this thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spyder Man
    Unfortunatly it appears you skipped of the most annoying things.

    "honduh wheels for sell"
    "big screen t.v. for sell"
    "everything in the garage for sell."


    its for SALE you fucking morons get it right.
    you forgot VTEC"H"
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    Quote Originally Posted by vteckidd
    you forgot VTEC"H"
    I gotz Vtech in my honduh y0!

    as Vtechkidd pointed out.. (kidding) it is Vtec , again get it right morons.
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