BG Dan vs Bill Enjuku- PLEASE POST PICS AND VIDEO OF BILL SHERMAN RAMMING DANS CAR

[Echonova]

Rubbin is racin.

end thread.

Does that make Dan = Tom Cruise? Better question is does that make Tracy = Nicole Kiddman?,?,?, cause I think that bitch is hot.

[josh green]

I could care less who wins. I dont like drifting but I have respect for some of the guys for their car control abilities. Now coming from that standpoint, Drifting closest to a cone is stupid. I want to see a guy who can control angle and speed 12" from a wall. Just because you can make it through the turn in a faster time does not mean you are carrying more speed than the other driver. Since drifting isnt racing the fastest line "doesnt win" its the "hardest." If both drivers are going roughly 60mph through a turn and one guy chooses a high line and is VERY close to a wall with a good angle I believe that he is showing better car control than someone who has the same entry speed and chose a less harsh of a line for the opportunity to pass.Honestly, rather than passing I believe that a better driver would stay so close and apply so much pressure to the lead man for force a fuck up or show that the trailing driver is obviously better. I see no wrong in a nudge from the trailing driver. Its like saying "I'm here and your going to have to step it up to win this." I think a trailing driver that is drifting close and is basically on/off on speed and basically taunting the lead driver, thats obviously a better drifter. If that competitor feels he is better than his opponent he should chose a wider more harsh line to make the trailing driver match ones skill.

Honestly, I was rooting for the Element, that shit was cool to watch solely b/c it wasnt a car.

This weekend tracy was holding the nickname "spin doctor"

[Echonova]

I see no wrong in a nudge from the trailing driver. Its like saying "I'm hear and your going to have to step it up to win this."

I hear you, and I'm hear to agree with you. I didn't hear what was said, but I thought Tracy said this wasn't fair hear at Nopi. I also heared that Bill Sherman admitted to do it on purpose. What the hell is going on hear at Nopi? There should be a hearing looking in to this.

[Echonova]

OMG lets fucking be a douche bag about a typo from a guy stating an unbiased opinion about a "sport" they call drifting. Its people like you that should be put in the wall and further rammed until you were pinned and BURNED to death. I would definitely cheer for the "trailing guy." I cannot wait until this fad is over, killing $1000's of dollars in tires and beating the shit out of expensive aftermarket parts that have to be replaced sounds like fun to me. Not to mention that there is no where to practice w/out putting someone in danger on a public road. I am sure you would be really good if you ONLY drifted at events or track days that came around.

Wow, that sounded pretty good for a Honda driver....

[81911SC]

OMG lets fucking be a douche bag about a typo from a guy stating an unbiased opinion about a "sport" they call drifting. Its people like you that should be put in the wall and further rammed until you were pinned and BURNED to death. I would definitely cheer for the "trailing guy." I cannot wait until this fad is over, killing $1000's of dollars in tires and beating the shit out of expensive aftermarket parts that have to be replaced sounds like fun to me. Not to mention that there is no where to practice w/out putting someone in danger on a public road. I am sure you would be really good if you ONLY drifted at events or track days that came around. Hell dirt track racing probably takes more skill, at least there are several drivers "drifting" with each other at a time and there is a cut and dried winner.

~begins crying with Josh Green~

[Echonova]

I see no wrong in a nudge from the trailing driver. Its like saying "I'm here and your going to have to step it up to win this."

Lets go make a mountain run... I'll follow.

[Tracy]

I could care less who wins. I dont like drifting but I have respect for some of the guys for their car control abilities. Now coming from that standpoint, Drifting closest to a cone is stupid. I want to see a guy who can control angle and speed 12" from a wall. Just because you can make it through the turn in a faster time does not mean you are carrying more speed than the other driver. Since drifting isnt racing the fastest line "doesnt win" its the "hardest." If both drivers are going roughly 60mph through a turn and one guy chooses a high line and is VERY close to a wall with a good angle I believe that he is showing better car control than someone who has the same entry speed and chose a less harsh of a line for the opportunity to pass.Honestly, rather than passing I believe that a better driver would stay so close and apply so much pressure to the lead man for force a fuck up or show that the trailing driver is obviously better. I see no wrong in a nudge from the trailing driver. Its like saying "I'm here and your going to have to step it up to win this." I think a trailing driver that is drifting close and is basically on/off on speed and basically taunting the lead driver, thats obviously a better drifter. If that competitor feels he is better than his opponent he should chose a wider more harsh line to make the trailing driver match ones skill.

Honestly, I was rooting for the Element, that shit was cool to watch solely b/c it wasnt a car.

This weekend tracy was holding the nickname "spin doctor"

Here's the thing, it doesn't matter what you think is better. It matters what the rules are right now. If you want to change the rules, write a letter. It's not that I don't respect your opinion on what you thinks is cooler. I do. What's more important than what you think looks cool is the rules and that is the issue in this case. There needs to be consistency with what is expected. If the rule is no passing, then no passing...that's just not the case.

[bafbrian]

After watching the video and reading this thread and the one on ziptied (bunch of fanboys IMHO), it is clear that "everyone" must have been taking the shallow line all day.

Dan passes Kenji, cleanly, why, because Kenji took a wider line, end result, Dan wins moves on the next round.

In the finals, Dan passes Sherman, cleanly, why Sherman took a wider line, (Damn, looks like Deja vu' but...) end result, Sherman wins because he does hit Dan in the rear bumper, causing him to go off-course.

For anyone who can't see Sherman's car accelerate as close the gap as Dan begins the next transition (Why? Because Sherman straightened out and floored it) or hear the car rev, you need to have your eyes and ears checked ASAP.

Dan, good job all weekend. Unfortunately, shit like this happens when winning something is in your grasp. Just brush it off and prepare for next year.

I do hope that your sponsors and other sponsors look at this and start asking some serious questions about sportsmanship.

[Echonova]

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[Echonova]

Red light district Back in action!!!!

Why don't you go back to what you're good at?

[Echonova]

Eh? You don't sound too different from me, minus the four wheel drive truck.....

[81911SC]

Lol @ Joshua describing my home town.

[Echonova]

and my house is bigger than 1200 square foot.

[Echonova]

and it's a horse farm, not a cow pasture across the street.

[Echonova]

^Feels the need to clarify his surroundings for those that dont know him. Because trying to attack someone personally is easier than trying to argue with ones stated opinion on the topic subject. But I am in the whores lounge, both members giving me flack both joined a year later than I and have 6-7 times the amount of posts, as stated by Black_JDM before, " Its about post quality, not quantity."

^ Feels the need to continue a pointless argument (to prove his manhood)because neither side will give up (well I might, I have a job waiting for me in the morning). Plenty of people know me, apparently you don't. So I thought I would fill in some blanks. If that's not needed, I will continue with ownage.

[Echonova]

and I don't drink beer.

[Echonova]

and

[81911SC]

I don't like drifting. Echonova nevermind what I said in my rep.

[Echonova]

I don't like drifting. Echonova nevermind what I said in my rep.

I don't like it either. Hahahahahaha I pwned you

[81911SC]

I don't like it either. Hahahahahaha I pwned you

I have been waiting.

[Echonova]

[Echonova]

Good night kids... We'll continue in the morning.

[SoLJames95]

Okay honestly it doent really matter... It's over and done with, they made a bad call. Maybe Nopi drift can invest in the INSTANT REPLAY BOOTH.. It helped the NFL. I talked to one of Kenji's crew members and he said "it should have been there team and Shermans." They got fucked in the ass! I saw most of the event. I think that Dan did well, but I think there should have been 2 different competors in the finals... BTW that Honda Element was the shit!!! (MY THOUGHT'S ON THE WHOLE SUBJECT)

[SoLJames95]

Tough crowd.... English teacher by day, and IA grammatical error detector by night.

[Kalifornia087]

I just read all this. I have to get up in 4 hours for work.

Fuck!

I can't see the video cause my computer is teh gay. and i didn't make it to nopi. Im sure i'll see the vid sometime. Sounds like a crappy sitution though.

Guess i'll see tomorrow.. err i mean today. Shitttt its late!

Austin

[josh green]

Reposted due to earlier conflict.

I could care less who wins. I dont like drifting but I have respect for some of the guys for their car control abilities. Now coming from that standpoint, Drifting closest to a cone is stupid. I want to see a guy who can control angle and speed 12" from a wall. Just because you can make it through the turn in a faster time does not mean you are carrying more speed than the other driver. Since drifting isnt racing the fastest line "doesnt win" its the "hardest." If both drivers are going roughly 60mph through a turn and one guy chooses a high line and is VERY close to a wall with a good angle I believe that he is showing better car control than someone who has the same entry speed and chose a less harsh of a line for the opportunity to pass.Honestly, rather than passing I believe that a better driver would stay so close and apply so much pressure to the lead man for force a fuck up or show that the trailing driver is obviously better. I see no wrong in a nudge from the trailing driver. Its like saying "I'm here and your going to have to step it up to win this." I think a trailing driver that is drifting close and is basically on/off on speed and basically taunting the lead driver, thats obviously a better drifter. If that competitor feels he is better than his opponent he should chose a wider more harsh line to make the trailing driver match ones skill.

Honestly, I was rooting for the Element, that shit was cool to watch solely b/c it wasnt a car.

This weekend tracy was holding the nickname "spin doctor"

[BuBBa DRiFT]

Reposted due to earlier conflict.

I could care less who wins. I dont like drifting but I have respect for some of the guys for their car control abilities. Now coming from that standpoint, Drifting closest to a cone is stupid. I want to see a guy who can control angle and speed 12" from a wall. Just because you can make it through the turn in a faster time does not mean you are carrying more speed than the other driver. Since drifting isnt racing the fastest line "doesnt win" its the "hardest." If both drivers are going roughly 60mph through a turn and one guy chooses a high line and is VERY close to a wall with a good angle I believe that he is showing better car control than someone who has the same entry speed and chose a less harsh of a line for the opportunity to pass.Honestly, rather than passing I believe that a better driver would stay so close and apply so much pressure to the lead man for force a fuck up or show that the trailing driver is obviously better. I see no wrong in a nudge from the trailing driver. Its like saying "I'm here and your going to have to step it up to win this." I think a trailing driver that is drifting close and is basically on/off on speed and basically taunting the lead driver, thats obviously a better drifter. If that competitor feels he is better than his opponent he should chose a wider more harsh line to make the trailing driver match ones skill.

but they are encouraged to get close to the clipping point, thats why they are there. The first turn was a nose clipping point, which meant you were encouraged to hug that turn. If Dan and Bill had the same angle at the first turn, dan would score more points. Therefore, Bill was at fault for going too wide, Bill didnt just go a little wider than usual, he was WIDE.

After Dan passed him and Bill came to the transition, there is no way he "lost control" or "had too much momentum" to hit Dan unintentionally. Especially when you hear Bill accelerate, when he's already going towards Dan at a far greater speed. The only way for Bill to take advantage that round was to hit Dan and hope the judges saw it as Dan's fault. Bill had nothing to lose after Dan passed him. Unfortunatly, the judges took Sherman's side.

Thats my .02

[Echonova]

but they are encouraged to get close to the clipping point, thats why they are there. The first turn was a nose clipping point, which meant you were encouraged to hug that turn. If Dan and Bill had the same angle at the first turn, dan would score more points. Therefore, Bill was at fault for going too wide, Bill didnt just go a little wider than usual, he was WIDE.

After Dan passed him and Bill came to the transition, there is no way he "lost control" or "had too much momentum" to hit Dan unintentionally. Especially when you hear Bill accelerate, when he's already going towards Dan at a far greater speed. The only way for Bill to take advantage that round was to hit Dan and hope the judges saw it as Dan's fault. Bill had nothing to lose after Dan passed him. Unfortunatly, the judges took Sherman's side.

Thats my .02

Nice post JJ

[josh green]

but they are encouraged to get close to the clipping point, thats why they are there. The first turn was a nose clipping point, which meant you were encouraged to hug that turn. If Dan and Bill had the same angle at the first turn, dan would score more points. Therefore, Bill was at fault for going too wide, Bill didnt just go a little wider than usual, he was WIDE.

After Dan passed him and Bill came to the transition, there is no way he "lost control" or "had too much momentum" to hit Dan unintentionally. Especially when you hear Bill accelerate, when he's already going towards Dan at a far greater speed. The only way for Bill to take advantage that round was to hit Dan and hope the judges saw it as Dan's fault. Bill had nothing to lose after Dan passed him. Unfortunatly, the judges took Sherman's side.

Thats my .02

I am not up to date on the clipping points and all that stuff. But from what you have just said its sounds to me like drifting is just auto-x with style.

[Echonova]

I am not up to date on the clipping points and all that stuff. But from what you have just said its sounds to me like drifting is just auto-x with style.

Pretty much.

ABC check - "Passed"

Slang check - "Passed"

Making sure my typing isn't to far off from correct typical grammar - "Passed"

[quickdodge®]

Thats my .02

Lolol. Later, QD.

[Echonova]

Lolol. Later, QD.

If all his posts were like that, no one would have a problem with him. Well, maybe some still would.....

[Glides]

Honestly, rather than passing I believe that a better driver would stay so close and apply so much pressure to the lead man for force a fuck up or show that the trailing driver is obviously better. I see no wrong in a nudge from the trailing driver. Its like saying "I'm here and your going to have to step it up to win this." I think a trailing driver that is drifting close and is basically on/off on speed and basically taunting the lead driver, thats obviously a better drifter. If that competitor feels he is better than his opponent he should chose a wider more harsh line to make the trailing driver match ones skill.

You are correct, you do know nothing about Nopi Drifitng. If you nudge someone in a full lock slide, odds are they are going around and then they lose. This isn't Lanier Raceway, you don't just go running into your competitor when he makes a pass on you or you feel you need to let him know you are there. People wreck and they lose that way.

I do agree with mimicking the other driver though. You are quite right there, that is what Tandem Drifting was based on. But the rules in Nopi Drift are not written that way. So what Dan did was quite legal and quite fair.

[down_shift]

nopi needs to implement a no passing rule among many other things.

drift racing!

[SPOOLIN]

They were about to turn that shit into drift racing, then I might watch if 2 cars are battling it out trying to get to the end first ...IF NOT, BORING!!!!!! I was watching qualifying and walked away yelling "BORING" LOL!!!

You hit a car, you're out.

ABC check - "Passed"
Slang check - "Passed"
Making sure my typing isn't to far off from correct typical grammar - "Passed"

[Tracy]

Everyone who said there is nothing we can do now that it's over is probably right. We have however been instructed to compile video for NOPI and that is what we are doing. The Tunervision footage won't be ready for several weeks, they have to digitize it.

[Vteckidd]

Well i find it hard for people who "dont care about the sport, dont watch the sport, could give a shit about the sport" give an opinion on the matter lol.

But thats the way it goes. fans want to see a car as close to a wall as possible. THATS NOT WHAT THE JUDGES WANTED. You must learn what a CLIPPING POINT means please.

anyways , our point has been made, and im sure more video and the TV show will show exactly what happened with even more detail

[josh green]

Well i find it hard for people who "dont care about the sport, dont watch the sport, could give a shit about the sport" give an opinion on the matter lol.

But thats the way it goes. fans want to see a car as close to a wall as possible. THATS NOT WHAT THE JUDGES WANTED. You must learn what a CLIPPING POINT means please.

anyways , our point has been made, and im sure more video and the TV show will show exactly what happened with even more detail

Oh come on Mike, I am just giving an opinion of what could actually make it worth watching TO ME. I would be the the unbiased judge looking at the sport and the situation. A "clipping point" is really self explanatory.

[Tracy]

The issue is now being looked into by NOPI. We received an e-mail today after they had a chance to review all of the video. The pass is no longer an issue (it was never an issue for some of the NOPI staff). There are other issues being presented. It seems as though now everyone is in agreement that the pass was fine. I will discuss the other issues in more detail later. Right now we are going to let some things pan out amongst the NOPI staff. Thank you everyone for your videos and views on what happened. Catch up with you later on.

[SoLJames95]

It sounds like they need an instant replay booth... Or have the same rules as formula drift. I heard if u pass in that, u are aumatically DQ. These Nopi drift rules seem like some backyard make up shit rules.LOL