Duluth Poliec officer on another power trip

[Big J]

Drunk or not, he used excessive force.

and if it wern't for the camera it'd be another incident that never happend.

[seandonn]

cops do it all the time just dont put your self in that situation

[Big J]

so you're saying it's ok so long as it's not you it's happening to?

[quickdodge®]

so you're saying it's ok so long as it's not you it's happening to?

I didn't get him saying that at all. I see him saying don't get yourself in a predicament where the potential for this to happen will. If the lady had any sense, she wouldn't have been DUI in the first place. Same with anyone else that's out doing dumbass shit and get caught. If they were living a better life, they wouldn't be in the position to be approached by police. I'm not denouncing what the officer did, as he was excessive, but she would never had had this event had she not been DUI.

I don't know where you pulled your understanding from. Later, QD.

[Julio]

I didn't get him saying that at all. I see him saying don't get yourself in a predicament where the potential for this to happen will. If the lady had any sense, she wouldn't have been DUI in the first place. Same with anyone else that's out doing dumbass shit and get caught. If they were living a better life, they wouldn't be in the position to be approached by police. I'm not denouncing what the officer did, as he was excessive, but she would never had had this event had she not been DUI.

I don't know where you pulled your understanding from. Later, QD.

The point of the story is.. drunk or not, this happens all the time.

How would you feel if it was someone sober? Yes she was drunk... But, Im glad the video is out there for the public to see on how some cops act.


Her being drunk like that does not justify him using all the force. And yes, I know you agree that he used to much forced... But I think some of us are putting to much into the fact that she was drunk.. Yes, she was wrong..

But he abused his authority.

[quickdodge®]

The point of the story is.. drunk or not, this happens all the time.

How would you feel if it was someone sober? Yes she was drunk... But, Im glad the video is out there for the public to see on how some cops act.


Her being drunk like that does not justify him using all the force. And yes, I know you agree that he used to much forced... But I think some of us are putting to much into the fact that she was drunk.. Yes, she was wrong..

But he abused his authority.

Don't you confuse me, too, Julio. I'm not so pro-police that I'm blind to the idiots of each force. I haven't justified this officer at all. And I have stated numerous times in this thread that there are corrupt police everywhere. Later, QD.

[Big J]

I see that side of it, but I still feel the use of excessive force as bad situation aside. He condones it based on the situation.

[Big J]

He says it happens, just don't let it happen to you by avoiding situations that make it more likely to occure.

[quickdodge®]

He says it happens, just don't let it happen to you by avoiding situations that make it more likely to occure.

That's exactly right. That's not condoning the actions of the officer who does this. Just stating that knowing there are police that do this, don't do shit to get them on you. Good cop or bad cop period, no need to be fucking up in the first place, lolol. Later, QD.

[Big J]

He condones it based on situation. I don't dissagree with the not doing "wrong" stuff to start with, but condning it on a situation by situation basis is wrong and what both of you are trying to do.

[quickdodge®]

He condones it based on situation. I don't dissagree with the not doing "wrong" stuff to start with, but condning it on a situation by situation basis is wrong and what both of you are trying to do.

Sorry, man, I don't see it that way. Everyone knows that there are cops like this out there. When you fuck up and get caught, you never know if that officer is going to be "that" officer. So if you don't fuck up, you won't be at the mercy of "that" officer. You must not know my feelings about the police and think I am anti-law enforcement, but I'm probably the most pro-cop person on IA. And I don't think anyone on here will tell you that I'm an idiot and uneducated and have no common sense. And I'm sure that my abundance of these qualities are not on vacation in this topic. Later, QD.

[Big J]

You don't have to be doing anything wrong to potentially be in a situation which you could be confronted by the possibility of facing somthing like this. What about the 90 yo lady in the wheelchair that was shot a killed? If we are expected to abide by zero tollerance laws and regulations why shouldn't the same be expected by thoses who chose to enforce these laws to do the same

[quickdodge®]

You don't have to be doing anything wrong to potentially be in a situation which you could be confronted by the possibility of facing somthing like this.

You're right. But that's kind of another deal. And that doesn't happen every single day every what, 5-10 minutes? I think you're just reaching to justify something and I don't know what it is. Later, QD.

[Glides]

You don't have to be doing anything wrong to potentially be in a situation which you could be confronted by the possibility of facing somthing like this. What about the 90 yo lady in the wheelchair that was shot a killed? If we are expected to abide by zero tollerance laws and regulations why shouldn't the same be expected by thoses who chose to enforce these laws to do the same

You mean the 90 year old woman who was shot by police because they were serving a no knock warrant on a known crack dealer and she shot at them? Yea, she did nothing wrong but you can't compare this to that since it's completely different. Serving a no knock warrant on a crack house is in no way, shape or form the same as snatching a drunk girl out of the car, sropping her on her ass on the pavement, roughing her up, pulling her hair and yelling and screaming at her.

What QD is saying is this. Don't fucking do stupid shit and the chances of stupid shit happeneing to you is lessened. Sure, it isn't gonna completely go away. Shit I could walk out my door and a cop just up and jump out the bushes and beat the shit out of me because I looked like the guy that ran over his lawn and he snapped. But comon man, the odds of that happening are next to shit. Now, if I go out there, fall asleep on the side of the road drunk, then almost drag him out into traffic and almost roll into traffic myself cause i'm shitfaced, he might just remember that lawn incident a little faster and beat the hell out of me.

Don't be dumb. All QD is saying.

[cactusEG]

fucking cop used to much force. I didnt pay much atten but i think the cop said she was fighting back to the other officers, damn cops think they can do what ever they wont

[seandonn]

i been pulled over 12 times in covington since i been out here and i dont try to do anything that would get my ass whip so when i get in my car im on my P's and Q's if u act rite they wont touch u but the littlest thing can set it off and u can end up like Rodney king

[Big J]

And that's my main point, if you can codone it in any situation, you condone it period, and by punking out and saying oh well, I'll just avoid it by staying inside the law isn't a guarntee it won't happen to you if it's allowed to happen at all.

[quickdodge®]

And that's my main point, if you can codone it in any situation, you condone it period, and by punking out and saying oh well, I'll just avoid it by staying inside the law isn't a guarntee it won't happen to you if it's allowed to happen at all.

Ok, man. I'll back out now. I don't see any point in keeping this up. You clearly see things through a different pair of lenses than I do. Good luck with that. Later, QD.

[Big J]

Ok, man. I'll back out now. I don't see any point in keeping this up. You clearly see things through a different pair of lenses than I do. Good luck with that. Later, QD.

And I respect both sides and your ability to coherently argue for your's, but in doing so still recognize the other side.

~J~

[Big J]

I'm undestanding of law enforcment and their jobs, but I'm more pro citizen

[dingo7]

Ima go half and half. Yes she did stop and the car was parked but she was drunk so she was drunk driving. She did resist but not to were he had to pull her hair and shove her face into the ground. True alot of ppl here say fuck the police, but when we are in need ppl are quick to say CALL 911!!!!

[coolcat]

Hell yeah, that bitch got exactly what she deserved.

[_Christian_]

if a cop is yelling at me to stop the car and get out, thats what im going to do. she told him no and also resisted arrest while on the ground. i think she deserved it. if it was a male driver, the video wouldnt be about to go to a grand jury. male or female, you are equally dangerous to the public when driving drunk.

[BB6dohcvtec]

if a cop is yelling at me to stop the car and get out, thats what im going to do. she told him no and also resisted arrest while on the ground. i think she deserved it. if it was a male driver, the video wouldnt be about to go to a grand jury. male or female, you are equally dangerous to the public when driving drunk.

no shit because that lil bitch ass cop wouldn't be able to manhandle a grown man out of his car/truck like he did that little female.

[SicStang03]

no shit because that lil bitch ass cop wouldn't be able to manhandle a grown man out of his car/truck like he did that little female.

Like stated before if it had been a guy in the car, mace would have been involved and guns would have been pulled GUARANTEED
Getting her hair pulled isn't shit. Look at the video again where he pulls her out by her hair. He reaches for her hands and arms and she starts slapping away. IT'S HER FAULT

[1SICKLEX]

That is fucking bullshit.
1. IF the car was PARKED on the side of the road (it seems like she basically pulled over and went to sleep), you cannot charge her with DUI. The damn car is parked.
2. He is screaming "GET OUT THE CAR" when the lady is in the middle of the damn street. She wasn't even resisting. Someone needs to pull this stunt on his wife or daughters.
3. What she has done, does not mean you can treat her like crap. She is innocent until proven GUILTY. Most of you have forgotten that.

[TheGodfather]

I think people are too hard on cops. They have to deal with the scum of the streets on a daily basis. They have to watch their backs at all times, because even though they represent a force of good, there are people who hate them no matter what.

The shit that cops see makes them ready for any situation, and quick to diffuse any situation that could get out of hands. Drunk idiots can make a simple situation go beserk in the snap of a finger.

Bottom line, cops are always on edge because of what they deal with. Their best bet is to make a move before someone else does, for their safety and the safety of those around them.

So maybe everyone thinks, oh man how could he do that? But she was drunk and probably very belligerent, so he did what he thought he had to do to diffuse the situation before anything happened.

If it was a man and not a woman no one would bitch. She is crying like a baby because she's sauced to the gills and just got what she had coming.

You can clearly see the car moving, and her not listening. He had the door open, she still didn't listen. She moved the car once, he couldn't take the chance of her taking off.

[1SICKLEX]

I think people are too hard on cops. They have to deal with the scum of the streets on a daily basis. They have to watch their backs at all times, because even though they represent a force of good, there are people who hate them no matter what.

The shit that cops see makes them ready for any situation, and quick to diffuse any situation that could get out of hands. Drunk idiots can make a simple situation go beserk in the snap of a finger.

Bottom line, cops are always on edge because of what they deal with. Their best bet is to make a move before someone else does, for their safety and the safety of those around them.

So maybe everyone thinks, oh man how could he do that? But she was drunk and probably very belligerent, so he did what he thought he had to do to diffuse the situation before anything happened.

If you are a TRAINED PROFESSIONAL, then you should know how to handle the pressure. We are all very aware of their pressures and commend them for serving the public.

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[Big J]

The fact that it could and does happen to people not doing anyhting wrong, even if only a small percentage of the time, is too often.

To the best of my knowlege sleeping on the side of the road in your car is not a crime. Not opening the window or stepping out of the car on the request of an officer is not a crime, especially if reasonable suspension has not been established. His first command was step out of the car, not are you ok, now this may be related to context and not seeing the very first parts of the video.

Sleeping and not waking or getting out of a car upon requset is not a crime. Consider the possibility that the woman was def, again hypothetical, but valid for this argument. The establishment of intoxication AFTER THE FACT is not justification for the actions of the officer. He failed to establish that in fact the woman leaving the scene would reasonably indanger the public. It MIGHT support reasonable suspision her being hard to arouse, but having seen metabolic conditions like diabetes initally presenting with the same symptoms as alcohol intoxication, the assumption by any officer of intoxication w/o more certainty that a flashlight through a window is irresponsible. This has been backed up in court cases where medical conditions mistaken as alcohol intoxication where injury resulted to the person have been decided aganist the offecers and departments. He clearly calls her a bitch, and when she is 4 feet from the car and on the ground he is still ordering her to exit the vehicle, WTF.

[1SICKLEX]

The fact that it could and does happen to people not doing anyhting wrong, even if only a small percentage of the time, is too often.

To the best of my knowlege sleeping on the side of the road in your car is not a crime. Not opening the window or stepping out of the car on the request of an officer is not a crime, especially if reasonable suspension has not been established. His first command was step out of the car, not are you ok, now this may be related to context and not seeing the very first parts of the video.

Sleeping and not waking or getting out of a car upon requset is not a crime. Consider the possibility that the woman was def, again hypothetical, but valid for this argument. The establishment of intoxication AFTER THE FACT is not justification for the actions of the officer. He failed to establish that in fact the woman leaving the scene would reasonably indanger the public. It MIGHT support reasonable suspision her being hard to arouse, but having seen metabolic conditions like diabetes initally presenting with the same symptoms as alcohol intoxication, the assumption by any officer of intoxication w/o more certainty that a flashlight through a window is irresponsible. This has been backed up in court cases where medical conditions mistaken as alcohol intoxication where injury resulted to the person have been decided aganist the offecers and departments. He clearly calls her a bitch, and when she is 4 feet from the car and on the ground he is still ordering her to exit the vehicle, WTF.

Bingo......

[quickdodge®]

Consider the possibility that the woman was def, again hypothetical, but valid for this argument.

LOLOL!!!! I'm going to assume you were serious with this comment because I did not see it followed by the three lettered initials...L O L. Please tell me where even you see this is the joke of thread. Later, QD.

[quickdodge®]

LOLOL!!!! I'm going to assume you were serious with this comment because I did not see it followed by the three lettered initials...L O L. Please tell me where even you see this is the joke of thread. Later, QD.

I bring this back around. Don't know if you saw it and ignored because you caught what I was saying. Later, QD.

[Big J]

I bring this back around. Don't know if you saw it and ignored because you caught what I was saying. Later, QD.

I'm bored, that was my responce.

[quickdodge®]

I'm bored, that was my responce.

In other words you completely were lost on the point that I clearly made and I took any all alleged validity out of that comment. Later, QD.

[Big J]

LOLOL!!!! I'm going to assume you were serious with this comment because I did not see it followed by the three lettered initials...L O L. Please tell me where even you see this is the joke of thread. Later, QD.

Her being deaf could explain why she didn't initally respond, and that was followed by a disclaimer of being hypothetical.

I'm having trouble following, "this is the joke of thread".

[quickdodge®]

Her being deaf could explain why she didn't initally respond, and that was followed by a disclaimer of being hypothetical.

LOLOL!!! You were serious, then. Her being deaf would have hindered her progress in getting a driver's license in the first place, cuzz. There's no hypothetical anything in that.

I'm having trouble following, "this is the joke of thread".

My above explanation might help you with your trouble. Lolol. Later, QD.

[Big J]

LOLOL!!! You were serious, then. Her being deaf would have hindered her progress in getting a driver's license in the first place, cuzz. There's no hypothetical anything in that.

Are you serious? Do you actually think deaf people can't get a drivers license? wow

[Big J]

LOLOL!!! You were serious, then. Her being deaf would have hindered her progress in getting a driver's license in the first place, cuzz. There's no hypothetical anything in that.

You totally owned yourself on that one, nothing hypothetical in that.

[ShooterMcGavin]

el oh el

[_Christian_]

That is fucking bullshit.
1. IF the car was PARKED on the side of the road (it seems like she basically pulled over and went to sleep), you cannot charge her with DUI. The damn car is parked.

i saw the car moving in the video

2. He is screaming "GET OUT THE CAR" when the lady is in the middle of the damn street. She wasn't even resisting. Someone needs to pull this stunt on his wife or daughters.

she did resist. did u not see what happened when he tried to cuff her. it was stupid how he yelled "get out of the car, now!" when she was in the middle of the road. lol

3. What she has done, does not mean you can treat her like crap. She is innocent until proven GUILTY. Most of you have forgotten that.

when someone is dangerous and not cooperating sometimes it is necessary. i dont think he needed to pull her hair or call her "bitch", but other than that he really wasnt out of line in my book. i just think she is a cry baby and females expect extra leeway under the law.