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    Quote Originally Posted by Wal-Mart
    Another example of Bushittery is this whole Libby deal. Pardoning someone that put someone else's life in danger because one dumbfuck politician didn't like another is pure bullshit and should be punished on top of the lying and covering up. But Bush decides that since it's a buddy of a buddy, he can just step in and throw it all away. If thats not STOMPING on the ideas this country was founded on and what the flag stands for, i dont' know what is.

    oh man...you are far off on this one...you get this from cnn?

    libby was a fall guy, plain and simple, do you even remember, or know for that matter, what the original investigation was about? if youre gonna start an argument atleast come to the table educated, libby was never charged with outing valerie plame, he was charged with one count of obstruction of justice, two counts of perjury and two counts of making false statements - hardly disclosing the name of a CIA covert agent, or conspiring to do so.

    back to my original question, since i know you dont know the answer, the original investigation was to find out whether or not the identification of Valerie Plame was a violation of federal law. The answer to that question is apparently NO. it's a safe bet to assume that the identification of Plame was not a crime, either because she was not a covert CIA agent at the time the identification was made, or because the person making the identification was not aware of her status....the evidence shows to be that she was not covert at the time she was identified. No crime, end of story.

    libby was not charged with disclosing the name of a cia covert agent, libbys lying to the grand jury is no different than what bill clinton plead guilty too, and even had his arkansas license to practice law revoked because of - yet its bush whos a douschebag.....the fact is that libby was prosecuted following an investigation of an action that did not constitute a crime under our laws.

    btw, it wasnt a pardon, it was an executive clemency, meaning the guilty verdict stays, but the sentence was commuted
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    Quote Originally Posted by MR.org
    oh man...you are far off on this one...you get this from cnn?

    libby was a fall guy, plain and simple, do you even remember, or know for that matter, what the original investigation was about? if youre gonna start an argument atleast come to the table educated, libby was never charged with outing valerie plame, he was charged with one count of obstruction of justice, two counts of perjury and two counts of making false statements - hardly disclosing the name of a CIA covert agent, or conspiring to do so.

    back to my original question, since i know you dont know the answer, the original investigation was to find out whether or not the identification of Valerie Plame was a violation of federal law. The answer to that question is apparently NO. it's a safe bet to assume that the identification of Plame was not a crime, either because she was not a covert CIA agent at the time the identification was made, or because the person making the identification was not aware of her status. The evidence shows to be that she was not covert at the time she was identified. No crime, end of story.

    libby was not charged with disclosing the name of a cia covert agent, libbys lying to the grand jury is no different than what bill clinton plead guilty too, and even had his arkansas license to practice law revoked because of - yet its bush whos a douschebag.....the fact is that libby was prosecuted following an investigation of an action that did not constitute a crime under our laws.

    btw, it wasnt a pardon, it was an executive clemency, meaning the guilty verdict stays, but the sentence was commuted
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    Quote Originally Posted by MR.org
    oh man...you are far off on this one...you get this from cnn?

    libby was a fall guy, plain and simple, do you even remember, or know for that matter, what the original investigation was about? if youre gonna start an argument atleast come to the table educated, libby was never charged with outing valerie plame, he was charged with one count of obstruction of justice, two counts of perjury and two counts of making false statements - hardly disclosing the name of a CIA covert agent, or conspiring to do so.

    back to my original question, since i know you dont know the answer, the original investigation was to find out whether or not the identification of Valerie Plame was a violation of federal law. The answer to that question is apparently NO. it's a safe bet to assume that the identification of Plame was not a crime, either because she was not a covert CIA agent at the time the identification was made, or because the person making the identification was not aware of her status....the evidence shows to be that she was not covert at the time she was identified. No crime, end of story.

    libby was not charged with disclosing the name of a cia covert agent, libbys lying to the grand jury is no different than what bill clinton plead guilty too, and even had his arkansas license to practice law revoked because of - yet its bush whos a douschebag.....the fact is that libby was prosecuted following an investigation of an action that did not constitute a crime under our laws.

    btw, it wasnt a pardon, it was an executive clemency, meaning the guilty verdict stays, but the sentence was commuted
    Since you have no grasp of logical thinking, i'll turn it into cliff notes.

    Libby knows something. Libby lies about it. Gets caught. Gets sentenced. Bush decides his "buddy" does not deserve to have to go to prison for a crime. Bush writes off the prison. And we all know he wont have to pay the fine and it will never legally follow him around. You really think Bush isnt going to just pardon him of all of it? Either way, he was found guilty and the president come in and just lets him go.

    Weither or not the agent was covert or not, doesnt matter.... names of those people are kept secret for a reason.

    The whole Clinton deal never offended me. Wow... he got involved with some intern. It never put the country as risk for anything and other idiot politicians just wanted to make a big deal out of it. That was a matter that should hav ebeen taken up between him and his wife and not wasting time and money of everyone else.

    And yes, i know that it was really a "executive clemency", but Bush basically said later , when asked about a full pardon, he'll do it if he wants to. And we know it will end up happening once it falls out of front page news.

    Bottom line, Bush had no business stepping in on the sentence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wal-Mart
    Since you have no grasp of logical thinking, i'll turn it into cliff notes.

    The whole Clinton deal never offended me. Wow... he got involved with some intern. It never put the country as risk for anything and other idiot politicians just wanted to make a big deal out of it. That was a matter that should hav ebeen taken up between him and his wife and not wasting time and money of everyone else.
    um smart guy every time clinton was in trouble we bombed iraq dont believe me i was there that is why i am pissed off. that was for no reason other than divert attention away from his dick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leadfoot_mf
    um smart guy every time clinton was in trouble we bombed iraq dont believe me i was there that is why i am pissed off. that was for no reason other than divert attention away from his dick.
    And what i was saying is that all the media attention for that bullshit was just that... bullshit. I didnt care to turn on the TV or see in the paper about that topic when other more important stuff was going on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leadfoot_mf
    um smart guy every time clinton was in trouble we bombed iraq dont believe me i was there that is why i am pissed off. that was for no reason other than divert attention away from his dick.
    wasn't it also because they bombed the WTC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specvee
    wasn't it also because they bombed the WTC?

    are you even old enough to remember that
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    Quote Originally Posted by MR.org
    are you even old enough to remember that
    Dipshit, you're like two years older than me...lol

    Not to mention I grew up 10 min. from NYC, so yea I'm sure I remember it a lot better than you especially since that was where my mother worked for most of my life.

    Fuckin A' you are stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specvee
    Dipshit, you're like two years older than me...lol

    Not to mention I grew up 10 min. from NYC, so yea I'm sure I remember it a lot better than you especially since that was where my mother worked for most of my life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specvee
    wasn't it also because they bombed the WTC?

    Yes, isn't it impressvie that he was SOOO concerned about America that he launched Cruise Missles into Afghanistan and also told Saudi Arabia that he didn't want bin Laden when they were willing to put his head on a platter. What a great American Bill Clinton was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leadfoot_mf
    um smart guy every time clinton was in trouble we bombed iraq dont believe me i was there that is why i am pissed off. that was for no reason other than divert attention away from his dick.
    very true, but i think it's funny how everyone diverts attention back to clinton when bush's actions come into question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shagwAg3n
    very true, but i think it's funny how everyone diverts attention back to clinton when bush's actions come into question.
    its a left vs right thing
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    Quote Originally Posted by MR.org
    its a left vs right thing
    indeed, but that's what i find funny, that ppl can't be in the middle and just NOT LIKE BUSH w/o being categorized

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    Quote Originally Posted by shagwAg3n
    very true, but i think it's funny how everyone diverts attention back to clinton when bush's actions come into question.
    hey man it worked for clinton....
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    Quote Originally Posted by shagwAg3n
    very true, but i think it's funny how everyone diverts attention back to clinton when bush's actions come into question.
    It is kind of like saying...well he was a dick...so I can be a dick...doesn't make much sense in the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerra
    It is kind of like saying...well he was a dick...so I can be a dick...doesn't make much sense in the end.
    no one is a douche and the other is a shit sandwich lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leadfoot_mf
    no one is a douche and the other is a shit sandwich lol
    At least Bush has a cute accent and isn't getting blown by the chubby intern.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shagwAg3n
    very true, but i think it's funny how everyone diverts attention back to clinton when bush's actions come into question.
    Just pointing out the hypocracy of you got damn liberals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wal-Mart
    Since you have no grasp of logical thinking, i'll turn it into cliff notes.

    Libby knows something. Libby lies about it. Gets caught. Gets sentenced. Bush decides his "buddy" does not deserve to have to go to prison for a crime. Bush writes off the prison. And we all know he wont have to pay the fine and it will never legally follow him around. You really think Bush isnt going to just pardon him of all of it? Either way, he was found guilty and the president come in and just lets him go.

    The whole Clinton deal never offended me. Wow... he got involved with some intern. It never put the country as risk for anything and other idiot politicians just wanted to make a big deal out of it. That was a matter that should hav ebeen taken up between him and his wife and not wasting time and money of everyone else.

    youre coming to a knife fight with a stick son, libby has already paid his fine dipshit, $250k and some change, admit it, you dont know what youre talking about, besides the fact that its been proven that what he did didnt put our country at risk, youre just a dumbshit

    but since were on pardons, and you seem to be a demoliberal of some sort remember Mark and Denise Rich? Denise was a close pal of Bill Clinton. Mark was her crooked husband. Somehow Denise managed to snuggle up to Clinton and get a pardon for her husband during Clinton's final days in office. then we find out that almost as soon as Bill Clinton pardoned Mark Rich he was off to the Middle East to become one of Saddam's partners in defrauding the American people and starving his own people. do you think the media will ever bring this up? absolutley not, mark rich was a felon, who wasnt even stateside when clinton pardoned him.....want a copy of all the pardons clinton let go through, i have it if you want, maybe you can read up and become versed in something before opening your mouth about something you have absolutely no clue about
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    Quote Originally Posted by MR.org
    youre coming to a knife fight with a stick son, libby has already paid his fine dipshit, $250k and some change, admit it, you dont know what youre talking about, besides the fact that its been proven that what he did didnt put our country at risk, youre just a dumbshit

    but since were on pardons, and you seem to be a demoliberal of some sort remember Mark and Denise Rich? Denise was a close pal of Bill Clinton. Mark was her crooked husband. Somehow Denise managed to snuggle up to Clinton and get a pardon for her husband during Clinton's final days in office. then we find out that almost as soon as Bill Clinton pardoned Mark Rich he was off to the Middle East to become one of Saddam's partners in defrauding the American people and starving his own people. do you think the media will ever bring this up? absolutley not, mark rich was a felon, who wasnt even stateside when clinton pardoned him.....want a copy of all the pardons clinton let go through, i have it if you want, maybe you can read up and become versed in something before opening your mouth about something you have absolutely no clue about
    One thing I thought was funny...he wrote a check for that...LOL...like he was paying his water bill or sdoem shit. It seems to me that wasn't a very big deal for Libby...just made me giggle...That's all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerra
    One thing I thought was funny...he wrote a check for that...LOL...like he was paying his water bill or sdoem shit. It seems to me that wasn't a very big deal for Libby...just made me giggle...That's all.

    cashiers check, you cant pay fines in personal checks but i doubt it was that big of a deal, who knows where the money came from, theres no law stating it had to be his money he pays with
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    Quote Originally Posted by MR.org
    cashiers check, you cant pay fines in personal checks but i doubt it was that big of a deal, who knows where the money came from, theres no law stating it had to be his money he pays with

    I'm glad you say that... because, I wouldnt doubt if it came out of the white house budget somewhere.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio
    I'm glad you say that... because, I wouldnt doubt if it came out of the white house budget somewhere.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerra
    One thing I thought was funny...he wrote a check for that...LOL...like he was paying his water bill or sdoem shit. It seems to me that wasn't a very big deal for Libby...just made me giggle...That's all.
    hell if martha stewart had to do time, maybe he should have as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by shagwAg3n
    hell if martha stewart had to do time, maybe he should have as well
    Bitch should do more time for being creepy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MR.org
    youre coming to a knife fight with a stick son, libby has already paid his fine dipshit, $250k and some change, admit it, you dont know what youre talking about, besides the fact that its been proven that what he did didnt put our country at risk, youre just a dumbshit

    but since were on pardons, and you seem to be a demoliberal of some sort remember Mark and Denise Rich? Denise was a close pal of Bill Clinton. Mark was her crooked husband. Somehow Denise managed to snuggle up to Clinton and get a pardon for her husband during Clinton's final days in office. then we find out that almost as soon as Bill Clinton pardoned Mark Rich he was off to the Middle East to become one of Saddam's partners in defrauding the American people and starving his own people. do you think the media will ever bring this up? absolutley not, mark rich was a felon, who wasnt even stateside when clinton pardoned him.....want a copy of all the pardons clinton let go through, i have it if you want, maybe you can read up and become versed in something before opening your mouth about something you have absolutely no clue about
    When did i say any of that was right? Because it sure the fuck isnt.

    Oh and yes, Libby paid his whopping $250,000 fine...from a multi-million dollar defense fund. It wasnt anything that was goign to hurt him. But all of this is going off track.

    Why did i bring it up in the first place? Bush letting his buddy's off the hook for shit that was illegal is bullshit. I dont care who the fuck is in the office at the time.... its blatant disreguard to the law and constitution and what the flag stands for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wal-Mart
    When did i say any of that was right? Because it sure the fuck isnt.

    Oh and yes, Libby paid his whopping $250,000 fine...from a multi-million dollar defense fund. It wasnt anything that was goign to hurt him. But all of this is going off track.

    Why did i bring it up in the first place? Bush letting his buddy's off the hook for shit that was illegal is bullshit. I dont care who the fuck is in the office at the time.... its blatant disreguard to the law and constitution and what the flag stands for.

    then be non biased and bitch about your liberal buddies too dickhead, i see youve been googling, you pretend to know a little more know than a few minutes ago....prove the money came from the defense fund, id like to see that one
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