ATTN: TRACY "Hachi/Miata Pity Points"

[Kyle]

LOL. I hope you don't think I'm going to read all of that.

I'm never allowed to have an opinion. I'm used to it...and I don't feel the need to defend myself anymore the way I used to. My opinion is my opinion. Yours is yours.

I have no problems with you tracy but... If someone spends their time to type something like this the least you can do is read it. If you don't want to get into it with him thats certainly understandable, but you can read it.

[RandomGuy]

wait'll takumi finds out about this

[Repost Squintz]

go on? what is this cider/beer you speak of?

i posted it earlier lol....Strongbow

[Psycho]

Why cuz I am so fine??? or because I am so immature???

You know, every time you lie, god kills an Ethiopian.

[RandomGuy]

You know, every time you lie, god kills an Ethiopian.

damnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn one more lie and he's thru

[Ed]

damnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn one more lie and he's thru

[Psycho]

damnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn one more lie and he's thru

Actually, that kid died long ago. I just took apart an RC car and put all the components in his corpse. He runs out of batteries really fast.

[.gauge.]

Good thread, and it's a shame that the person you're trying to get to won't even read it.

[DrivenMind]

You're telling me...

What a let down.

[bigpanda16]

free drift event though...
lawd have mercy on our souls
be nice to try out my "new" mk2
if i can find the time to prep it...unlikely

[Big Baller]

What an ignorant, disrespectful, and nasty thing to say about your fellow drivers Tracy.

Get off you're fucking high horse it wasn't a disrespectful statement.

I usually like you, and think pretty highly of you, but you seem to think that people like you, and Dan should be competing with amateurs like myself, and others in events.

Why shouldn't they be...because they own a shop

Aside from that attitude, just generally pissing me, and a many other drivers too nice to say anything off, You're way fucking wrong, and this is why:

Oh great

Now not to piss on your parade, but before you start shit talking Corollas and the people that drive them, do try to keep in mind that a) Not all of us own a shop, b) Not all of us are backed by a shop, or c) Not all of us can even afford to have a shop work on our cars.

They own the fucking shop you fucking tool, that means they work on them. Fuck I hate this bullshit ass shop argument.

Now firstly, You have a "race car". Don't mistake it for anything else. You load it up onto a trailer, and drive it to the event, take it off the trailer, and start competing. If something goes wrong, you have lots of people, tools, and parts at your disposal to help you diagnose, and fix it.

If the race car breaks down, you aren't stranded at the venue.

If something goes wrong, or doesn't run correctly, YOU HAVE YOUR SHOP to take the car back to, and mechanics to work on the car.

When did she say it wasn't a fucking racecar, they have tools and a trailer because they fucking bought them. If you don't have the money to do the same get a better fucking job.

You're not sliding your daily driver, you're sliding a purpose built, BatlGround built drift car, (of which you have two, in case you forgot) against, largely a bunch of people who can hardly afford to modify their car, let alone build one exclusively for drift events.

They have two because they have two drivers. Those other people should also get other jobs.

At the moment I can't even afford to put axles in my car, and will be forced to sell it, if I can't come up with the money needed to fix the thing, before the next quarter starts at my school.

Get another Job its what Racers do, I'm about to be working two jobs so I can run the Koni Challege Series. Yeah life is hard

"If you know the Supra is faster then don't choose a Honda for that class."

The only thing wrong with this statement is the fact that there isn't a tiered system of any kind at our local events, and to put it metaphorically, "not everyone can afford a Supra". But since we don't have a class system, of any kind, that leaves people like you, taking on people like Jason, Huy, Sean, Harrison, and other privateers who struggle just to put tires on their car, and afford the entry fee.

JOB GET A JOB

"Hp pitty points" Yeah fucking right, have you ever tried to slide an AE86 Tracy? Have you ever actually completed an entire course in an AE86? Have you ever even driven one? Have you ever done anything but bad mouth the people who pay to come to the events you guys host, when they bitch about it not being "exactly" fair. I would give anything, anything to watch you, or even Dan try and slide a Corolla; or even better my piece of shit Corolla, with my standard "drift" set up around a course. If the heap didn't break first, I'd get to enjoy watching you try not to explode in a confounded fury, as the car did everything you didn't expect it to.

So because you bought a car that's short wheelbase and makes 4.7hp you want pitty points. I've driven damn near everything you can imagine on a road course and you can adapt to driving anything if you're a good driver....learn to drive.

Not even the great Tony Schultz could do it right off the bat, and all know what an astoundingly gifted driver he is. In fact after trying the first few times, he compared it to "driving on ice", and said "I don't know how you do it..." before going to drive another car. Yet I've got video after video, of me in my run down piece of shit Corolla, that I paid way too much for, sliding entire courses, and hitting the correct clipping points at events. Do you know how many hours I spent in parking lots, rain soaked, and gravel roads hauling ass, so I could learn how to control my car? Hundreds. Do you know how many times local kids are nearly arrested for trying to practice before an event, so they can try keep up with the likes of you, and your shops drift car?

First I don't have anything against Tony Schultz but you clowns act like hes gods gift to drifting and hes just not that damn good.

I used to compete with 135/70/13s on the rear on my Corolla, because that was the only thing I could AFFORD to slide on. Have you ever had to slide a car, sporting a set of rear tires with a 70 series sidewall? I very much doubt it.

I noticed you high lighted AFFORD....GET A FUCKING JOB

It's easy to say people with Hachis just want "pity points" when you're sliding a purpose built, shop backed, no holds barred, fucking race car, and yet people like Jason, Huy, Mike, or Marty still manage to out place you at events. Do you know what would happen if you were to put a seasoned hachi driver behind the wheel of one of BatlGrounds drift cars? Chances are you'd see it being controlled in a way you didn't think possible. Many of us, myself included would give anything to see what we're capable of in a nicely set up, reasonably powerful car; but lets be real here, who wants to share their pride and joy, with someone driving a car costing many thousands less?

You really think youre a badass, you really think you would be that much better in a nicer car...

Do you understand the dynamic differences of drifting a car with a shorter wheel base, versus drifting a car with a longer wheel base? If you really did, I don't think I'd be posting this thread.

Step 1 get the job....Step 2 buy long wheel base car....Step 3 Dominate D1

"Pity Points" maybe, or maybe the underdogs want you to acknowledge their talent, ability, and all the hours they spent practicing, when they're driving a car that doesn't even come close to being comparable to yours. Maybe while you're chilling in the glory of top 8 finish; the guy who had to work twenty times as hard as you to be there, and be competitive, in a lesser car, only to finish in a lower spot, would appreciate a little respect from the local drift queen.

That bitch ain't the queen. If you are really as good as you think you are and you really worked that hard, you wouldn't need anyone else to respect you're mad drifting skills

Do you know what the difference is between you and a lot of the guys out there at these events? It's simple; You come to compete. We come to learn.

That simple difference alone, shows in our driving.

So are you saying you're better than Tracy or not?

So before you go shit talking Corolla drivers again, and their desire for "pity points" maybe you should step down from your throne (purpose built race car), and try to drift one of the local kids AE86s. Try it for a few months, just to see if you can even come close to doing what they do. I promise it will make you a better driver, faster than you ever thought possible.

Sincerely
-Robbie

Yeah they have a racecar that they built at their shop. With their money, that they earned by working on cars. Lots of long hours working on cars. I know because I'm there a lot and I know how many nights Dan and Brandon have been at the shop till 5 am fixing the cars.

I really want to run Koni Challenge Series, the problem is its 5 to 7 thousand dollars per seat per race. I can't afford that so I'm working a second job to save up the cash. Lifes hard sometimes but don't bitch about you're short wheelbase low power car....do something about it...don't expect to get pitty points.

Yep I'm an asshole

Matt

[Vteckidd]

Matt you working at the Pink Pony now for extra dough? EL OH EL

Now firstly, You have a "race car". Don't mistake it for anything else. You load it up onto a trailer, and drive it to the event, take it off the trailer, and start competing. If something goes wrong, you have lots of people, tools, and parts at your disposal to help you diagnose, and fix it

all im gonna say to this thread is the past 3 nights we were ALL HERE till 1am working on the race cars. Its not as glorified as you think.

Dont take everything so personally, it was a OPINION, and whether you agree with it or not, dont take it as a personal attack.

I agree there is some one sidedness towards the 86 people, i saw that first hand at Formula Drift this year.

But regardless, they have worked hard for what they have.

On one hand you say "oh your the big bad shop with all this money to have pro race cars" then on the other hand you say "god what we wouldnt all give to have a prepped race car to drive"

so which is it? you can only have it one way.

Batlground had the "struggling days" just like any small business. They had cars they broke and had to drive home (EVO comes to mind). They had a race car (supra) that wasnt ever sponsored.

So after all the hard work, they get their due and have some nice drift cars an its a problem?

gimme a break.

[rickgiblin]

ok, i know i dont have any car to be talking about but, if you cant afford it then why are you doing it? is there a gun to your head saying that you must drift this weekend or you will die. shit, if you cant afford the right stuff the either get another job (kroger and mcdonalds are always hiring) and save up your money and only drift once every 2 or 3 times comp's come around. or save up your money and buy one of those longwheelbase cars you talk about. honestly, i dont drift, i have a civic... yes a civic, and it looks like shit rite now cuse im saving up money to put it in shows... im not here bitching about how its not fair that jeff gise's car is in the same catagory as mine. i know he'll beat me every show. so basically, quit bitching and grow up. do what you can afford, or go take out a loan... then you will have the money that you wish you had. o dont forget to apply for bankruptsy(sp)


(sorry for all the mispelled words)


P.S.- THIS IS AMERICA, everyone is entitled to there freedom of speech and opinion

[DrivenMind]

You're a moron. Not because you didn't present a good argument, but because you seem to have missed the entire point of my rant.

Did I say myself, or anyone else wanted pitty points? Not once.

What I did say however, is that it's total bullshit to call the competitions we have here completely "fair" when their isn't any sort of class system.

This is a grassroots sport, not a professional competition. It's a little ridiculous to have people with full blown race cars, competing against amateurs with daily driven street cars. They've got a reputable shop, and race cars, why not stick to Formula D, and compete with the other people, and shops, with comparable vehicles, who are building drift specific cars?

Did I say Tony was gods gift to driving? No I didn't, dick. But I did use his name, for the sake of illustration, given the fact that most people locally are familiar with him.

As far as the Corolla's are concerned, I love the damn things. I don't want pitty points, I'm perfectly content going and spending my money, just for the peace of mind of knowing I'm not going to get arrested for sliding my car around. It's just a bit dumb to call such a thing a "competition" when street cars, have to compete against purpose built race cars.

Imagine how much closer the competition would be if the time was taken to organize, the cars into classes, based on power to weight ratio, and driver skill.

And so far as where talking about me, I couldn't careless about my "drifting skills". I've got to much other shit I need to take care of before concerning myself with that. Drifting is an expensive hobby, one that I as a full time student, can not afford. But to go around pretending the events around here are "fair" is total bullshit.

When people arrive at local events, most everyone can accurately guess who's going to be in the Top 8. It's just a matter of what order they're in.

[rickgiblin]

You're a moron. Not because you didn't present a good argument, but because you seem to have missed the entire point of my rant.

Did I say myself, or anyone else wanted pitty points? Not once.

What I did say however, is that it's total bullshit to call the competitions we have here completely "fair" when their isn't any sort of class system.

This is a grassroots sport, not a professional competition. It's a little ridiculous to have people with full blown race cars, competing against amateurs with daily driven street cars. They've got a reputable shop, and race cars, why not stick to Formula D, and compete with the other people, and shops, with comparable vehicles, who are building drift specific cars?

Did I say Tony was gods gift to driving? No I didn't, dick. But I did use his name, for the sake of illustration, given the fact that most people locally are familiar with him.

As far as the Corolla's are concerned, I love the damn things. I don't want pitty points, I'm perfectly content going and spending my money, just for the peace of mind of knowing I'm not going to get arrested for sliding my car around. It's just a bit dumb to call such a thing a "competition" when street cars, have to compete against purpose built race cars.

Imagine how much closer the competition would be if the time was taken to organize, the cars into classes, based on power to weight ratio, and driver skill.

And so far as where talking about me, I couldn't careless about my "drifting skills". I've got to much other shit I need to take care of before concerning myself with that. Drifting is an expensive hobby, one that I as a full time student, can not afford. But to go around pretending the events around here are "fair" is total bullshit.

When people arrive at local events, most everyone can accurately guess who's going to be in the Top 8. It's just a matter of what order they're in.

dude, plain and simple... if you think its not fair, then dont go and hold your own events. pay for the place, and all that other bs that they have to worry about and do it for you. the end

[DrivenMind]

Plus, standing out in the middle of the track shooting the events, isn't as fun as competing, but it gives me plenty of time to work on my photography.

[2micro4u]

~Wow this is deep~
I think I will just go sit on the sidelines.......

[B18c-rex]

Have no problem with BG or tracy for that matter . But i can agree that they should be in a pro class not novice / amateur imo .

[2jz240sx]

you guys ever thing that the reason there is NOPI DRIFT , DRIFT FURY is because of BG?

[2jz240sx]

i dont know much, but i do know that Drift Fury i think has the most scheduled events this year out of ANYONE, and Batlground puts it on.

so the very events you attend are put on by the big bad shop your thinking shouldnt even be there.

talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

Also, look at any NDRA event, There is always amateurs going up against "pros". What happens if SPOOLIN (a local driver) or PETER HEU (ISP LOCAL DRIVER) run Tony1? Tony1 is prob the best driver right now in his class. so are you telling me that because he is THAT GOOD he should be put in a different class?

you should be thankfull that you CAN COMPETE agains PRO drivers. Imagine what will happen when some JOE SMITH places top 4 or 5 against PRO DRIVERS. imagine the possibilities.

to me that would make me work harder, not bitch an try to make it harder for my "car" to get noticed

drifting is no longer a parking lot sport, its here, its big, its growing. deal with it

[B18c1Turboed]

Also, look at any NDRA event, There is always amateurs going up against "pros". What happens if SPOOLIN (a local driver) or PETER HEU (ISP LOCAL DRIVER) run Tony1? Tony1 is prob the best driver right now in his class. so are you telling me that because he is THAT GOOD he should be put in a different class?

Just to clairy NO HES NOT!!! Brian Ballard is, Brian races all events and wins them, altough his is a full out race car,but i guess so is peters and spoolins!

And the class they race is not a PRO class its a Sportsman class!!!

P.S NOT TRYING TO START SHIT!!!

[04CoorsCan]

i dont know much, but i do know that Drift Fury i think has the most scheduled events this year out of ANYONE, and Batlground puts it on.

so the very events you attend are put on by the big bad shop your thinking shouldnt even be there.

talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

Also, look at any NDRA event, There is always amateurs going up against "pros". What happens if SPOOLIN (a local driver) or PETER HEU (ISP LOCAL DRIVER) run Tony1? Tony1 is prob the best driver right now in his class. so are you telling me that because he is THAT GOOD he should be put in a different class?

you should be thankfull that you CAN COMPETE agains PRO drivers. Imagine what will happen when some JOE SMITH places top 4 or 5 against PRO DRIVERS. imagine the possibilities.

to me that would make me work harder, not bitch an try to make it harder for my "car" to get noticed

drifting is no longer a parking lot sport, its here, its big, its growing. deal with it

I don't see John Force Bracket Racing @ Commerce.....

I don'e see Dale Jr. Racing @ Lanier.....

They have their own class......

I think the guy has somewhat of a valid point...but no reason to tear him a new hole just because he has an opinion...and I believe Tracy handled it the best by just letting him vent, letting it blow over, and NOT making more of a scene out of it.

[EmminoDaGreat]

all im gonna say to this thread is the past 3 nights we were ALL HERE till 1am working on the race cars. Its not as glorified as you think.
.

Moral support counts as work at BG too EL OH EL

I still love ya tho. PS im guessing you are posting under 2jdave name 2.

[Vteckidd]

Moral support counts as work at BG too EL OH EL

I still love ya tho. PS im guessing you are posting under 2jdave name 2.

bleeding brakes, swapping rims, packing the trailer, unloading merchandise, strapping cars down, an other remedial tasks.

whatever saves dan an brandon time so they can do the big stuff helps out

you know, the same kind of stuff i used to do at other places

I kinda agree with 2JDave, but i also see what your talking about in terms of PRO vs AMATEUR.

Does it make it hard to WIN competitions, YES. DOes it make it easier for you to get noticed? YES

Imagine if a highschool player could compete against NBA teams during his school year? Does he get more exposure that he plays against THE BEST than if he had to go other routes to get noticed?

it goes both ways.

Also, stop acting like drifting is a veteran sport. Its NEW in the united states. Look how fast it has grown in 1 year. last year drift fury was only local. now its like 11 or 13 events NATIONWIDE. Now you have NOPI DRIFT to get into.

I mean, even if you dont PLACE at Drift Fury you can still get a license to compete in NOPI DRIFT.

Look at Drift411 an other places that hold competitions.

I mean the sport is growing fast, and i think it will take some time to even out. NDRA/NHRA is CONSTANTLY changing an track racing has been around for what, 50 years? maybe more. same with Road racing.

Problem with drifting IMO from my limited knowledge is there is no MEDIUM drifters. there are parking lot drifters, then there are your PRO drifters.

there is no middle class, at least not a big one. you either SUCK, or your good. no in between.

Danny,
Would you consider Tony1 a PRO driver?
Would you consider Peter a PRO driver?
Would you consider SPOOLIN a PRO driver?

[Big Baller]

I don't see John Force Bracket Racing @ Commerce.....

I don'e see Dale Jr. Racing @ Lanier.....

They have their own class......

I think the guy has somewhat of a valid point...but no reason to tear him a new hole just because he has an opinion...and I believe Tracy handled it the best by just letting him vent, letting it blow over, and NOT making more of a scene out of it.

No reason to tear him a new one, yeah the same reason there was no reason to make this thread....whats the fucking point anyway.

[Big Baller]

You're a moron. Not because you didn't present a good argument, but because you seem to have missed the entire point of my rant.

Did I say myself, or anyone else wanted pitty points? Not once.

What I did say however, is that it's total bullshit to call the competitions we have here completely "fair" when their isn't any sort of class system.

This is a grassroots sport, not a professional competition. It's a little ridiculous to have people with full blown race cars, competing against amateurs with daily driven street cars. They've got a reputable shop, and race cars, why not stick to Formula D, and compete with the other people, and shops, with comparable vehicles, who are building drift specific cars?

Did I say Tony was gods gift to driving? No I didn't, dick. But I did use his name, for the sake of illustration, given the fact that most people locally are familiar with him.

As far as the Corolla's are concerned, I love the damn things. I don't want pitty points, I'm perfectly content going and spending my money, just for the peace of mind of knowing I'm not going to get arrested for sliding my car around. It's just a bit dumb to call such a thing a "competition" when street cars, have to compete against purpose built race cars.

Imagine how much closer the competition would be if the time was taken to organize, the cars into classes, based on power to weight ratio, and driver skill.

And so far as where talking about me, I couldn't careless about my "drifting skills". I've got to much other shit I need to take care of before concerning myself with that. Drifting is an expensive hobby, one that I as a full time student, can not afford. But to go around pretending the events around here are "fair" is total bullshit.

When people arrive at local events, most everyone can accurately guess who's going to be in the Top 8. It's just a matter of what order they're in.

There are always going to be people with more money than you...get used to it. There are guys running in my class that show up with 3 car stackers and a fucking pit crew. That doesn't mean they are better. It just means I have to work harder to beat them.

I'm running 25 hours of Thunderhill in December and you can bet youre bottom dollar that we will be the one of the most under funded teams there and Ill put money on the fact that we will finish top 5 overall.

You know that old saying its not about how you finish its how you play the game....thats bullshit....its about how you finish.

So quit youre bitching about youre little girl car and go slide or what the fuck ever it is you drifter dorks do.

[DrivenMind]

There are always going to be people with more money than you...get used to it. There are guys running in my class that show up with 3 car stackers and a fucking pit crew. That doesn't mean they are better. It just means I have to work harder to beat them.

I'm running 25 hours of Thunderhill in December and you can bet youre bottom dollar that we will be the one of the most under funded teams there and Ill put money on the fact that we will finish top 5 overall.

You know that old saying its not about how you finish its how you play the game....thats bullshit....its about how you finish.

So quit youre bitching about youre little girl car and go slide or what the fuck ever it is you drifter dorks do.

Damn man, you got a lot of pent up hostility. I'm not saying that it's not a great that BG puts the events on. It is. The contribution they've made to the "drifting" community is enormous, but shouldn't that also should be a little more reason for them to host the events, instead of competing in the events they're hosting?

I mean it's a competition, meaning it's supposed to be "competitive". When they and a few others run, it's only really competitive for about 6 people or so, as they typically always make up the top 8. Does that make any sense?

I'm not saying I really give a shit, about it being fair, life is not fair. But I think it's a little dumb to host a "competition", when you know what the outcome is going to be. Feel me?

[DRFTR]

everyone just needs to put up or shut up...i remember back in the day when BatlGround first came about and would come to the street races...i built all the cars that came out with me and everyone knew who we were...we were really fast and usually the prime target...then one nite at the old BatlGround shop came this black beast of a supra...came down made a pass...a few weekends later they came down with tracy's old 240 with a sr20 swap which was really rare at the time to race one cars i built...Tracy first called out the NOS Miata but the bottle was low and i knew what they pulled up with so she ran a black gst eclipse...walked are ass and they all talked shit...i talked shit back...at that moment i bought a gsx 2g and had my target set on them being batlground...i have no shop, work all by myself in my 3 car garage, built a beast of a gsx with the help of Magnus Motorsport in Canada...got into trouble with the car playing around at the street races, got locked up and had to sell the car and lost my ass for it...i had about 35K in it...a few years later...i was working for Dan and Tracy at BatlGround...i respect both of them alot...they started with nothing and built a shop around there supra...they started at the bottem like everyone else...Batlground Engineering gets nothing but total respect from me...i had my run in with them...but the point is...they are just that good...i worked my ass off to try to compete with them in the NDRA only to get in trouble for it...You chose your own battles...i chose to compete with the best...if you are not good enough to compete with them, then practice more...Dan and Tracy both use to hit the parking lots just like everyone else...just because they have a shop doesn't mean everything is free...they still have to work for everything they have or get...so what they have sponsors...anyone can get sponsors...thats all i have to say for now...but i am tired of everyone coming down on Tracy cause she says something...but i forgot that nobody on IA runs their mouth
-dave

[DRFTR]

oh and one last thing estis fatuus...you decided to buy a corolla...not tracy...not dan...not Batlground...you did...you could have get a 240 like everyone else...but you wanted to be cool and have an AE86 i guess...nobody twisted your arm to drift your daily driver...nobody is telling you compete with them...and if you are try'n to compete with them with a budget where you can't even afford to keep up your car then you don't need to be competing and your a fool for doing so...use your head man...if you can barely afford the registration fee then what makes you think you can afford to drift or race period? save your money...built a car that is built to do what ever you want it to do...if you want a daily driver then built a daily driver...if you want a race car built a race car...if you want a drift car build a drift car...its that simple


and just a note to everyone...don't fuck with Big Baller on here...he'll getcha everytime...
-dave

[04CoorsCan]

No reason to tear him a new one, yeah the same reason there was no reason to make this thread....whats the fucking point anyway.

He was voicing his opinion about how he didn't think higher class of cars should run with lower class of cars. What...all of a sudden you can't fucking read???

Im not backing the guy...Im just saying...why can't he voice his opinion...??? YOU obviously know how to voice yours in such a mighty way....guess you are right and everyone else is wrong.

And since you feel the need to do that to him...I feel I have the need to do that to you. So if you want to internet fight....fine. But he makes a valid point...

And Mr. Kidd said it best....there are alot of parking lot drifters and experienced drifters...but nothing in between, not much anyways..but it will come....that statement right there should end this thread.

So Big Baller....go to your 15 jobs to pay for yourself to go do all these races that you will be so proud to be at...and with all your hard practice, you will have beaten the "pro drivers"....lol....get a clue dude..

[04CoorsCan]

and just a note to everyone...don't fuck with Big Baller on here...he'll getcha everytime...
-dave

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

[04CoorsCan]

Oh...and that was my last post in this lovely thread....next time I post on IA...I'll remember "I can't mess with Big Baller...cuz he'll get me and he won't let me have an opinion that I back up with simple facts"..... RIIIITTTEEEEE

[DRFTR]

Oh...and that was my last post in this lovely thread....next time I post on IA...I'll remember "I can't mess with Big Baller...cuz he'll get me and he won't let me have an opinion that I back up with simple facts"..... RIIIITTTEEEEE

haha...you need to forget that subaru and stay with the 67 mustang...
-dave

[Kyle]

oh and one last thing estis fatuus...you decided to buy a corolla...not tracy...not dan...not Batlground...you did...you could have get a 240 like everyone else...but you wanted to be cool and have an AE86 i guess...nobody twisted your arm to drift your daily driver...nobody is telling you compete with them...and if you are try'n to compete with them with a budget where you can't even afford to keep up your car then you don't need to be competing and your a fool for doing so...use your head man...if you can barely afford the registration fee then what makes you think you can afford to drift or race period? save your money...built a car that is built to do what ever you want it to do...if you want a daily driver then built a daily driver...if you want a race car built a race car...if you want a drift car build a drift car...its that simple


and just a note to everyone...don't fuck with Big Baller on here...he'll getcha everytime...
-dave

I think you are missing his point. He is not complaining about his situation. He is saying Tracy has no room to talk about fair and unfair. Her race car is in the same class as corolla's, etc.

It seems half the people in here are missing the point and attacking his post.

[Big Baller]

Damn man, you got a lot of pent up hostility. I'm not saying that it's not a great that BG puts the events on. It is. The contribution they've made to the "drifting" community is enormous, but shouldn't that also should be a little more reason for them to host the events, instead of competing in the events they're hosting?

I mean it's a competition, meaning it's supposed to be "competitive". When they and a few others run, it's only really competitive for about 6 people or so, as they typically always make up the top 8. Does that make any sense?

I'm not saying I really give a shit, about it being fair, life is not fair. But I think it's a little dumb to host a "competition", when you know what the outcome is going to be. Feel me?

No pent up hostility at all, I'm not even into the drifting thing. I'm not sure what the point of youre post was, you did so much bitching about so much shit that I can't seem to narrow it down.

As far as the number of people that are competative, 6 to 8 is about right. On any given race weekend in a field of 30 or more about 5 or 6 guys are going to be competative. Thats just how things work.

[BB6dohcvtec]

I think you are missing his point. He is not complaining about his situation. He is saying Tracy has no room to talk about fair and unfair. Her race car is in the same class as corolla's, etc.

It seems half the people in here are missing the point and attacking his post.

+1 i am not into drifting at all... but i always thought ya'll had some type of classes for that kind of stuff. so are ya'll telling me that every car full race or daily driver are in the same class???? that pretty ridiculous for a person who wants to start watching and learning about. I mean for hardcore fans they don't care they love it, but for the people who arent so big on it and want to try to get into it, it will get pretty damn boring watching a full race car blow the doors off the daily drivers every event. I mean i am pretty sure the sport of drifting is cool but without classes it seems pretty bland.

[BB6dohcvtec]

No pent up hostility at all, I'm not even into the drifting thing. I'm not sure what the point of youre post was, you did so much bitching about so much shit that I can't seem to narrow it down.

As far as the number of people that are competative, 6 to 8 is about right. On any given race weekend in a field of 30 or more about 5 or 6 guys are going to be competative. Thats just how things work.

and if those 5 to 6 guys win every event how do they expect the sport to grow??

[Big Baller]

He was voicing his opinion about how he didn't think higher class of cars should run with lower class of cars. What...all of a sudden you can't fucking read???

Im not backing the guy...Im just saying...why can't he voice his opinion...??? YOU obviously know how to voice yours in such a mighty way....guess you are right and everyone else is wrong.

And since you feel the need to do that to him...I feel I have the need to do that to you. So if you want to internet fight....fine. But he makes a valid point...

And Mr. Kidd said it best....there are alot of parking lot drifters and experienced drifters...but nothing in between, not much anyways..but it will come....that statement right there should end this thread.

So Big Baller....go to your 15 jobs to pay for yourself to go do all these races that you will be so proud to be at...and with all your hard practice, you will have beaten the "pro drivers"....lol....get a clue dude..

Did you read the first fucking post you dumb mother fucker. He bitched about so much stuff I couldn't even remember it all. I never fucking said he couldn't have his own a opinion, I just happen to think he is wrong. Thats my fucking opinion and if you don't like it you can stick it up youre ass.

Keep trying to shine you little wannabe bitch...everybody thinks they are a badass. Everybody says they wanna go pro, the diffrence is I'm doing something about it. I probally won't be seeing youre name on Speedvision but you're damn sure gonna see mine.

PTFO
Matt

[Big Baller]

and if those 5 to 6 guys win every event how do they expect the sport to grow??

The sport will grow in time, growth doesn't happen over night. Thats a lot of whats wrong with drifting now. The sport has grown so fast that it can't keep up with itself.

Matt

[Tracy]

Kyle, I may have read his post if the first line of his thread wasn't full of name calling I don't deserve to be disrespected like that and I'm not going to take it.

NOW...

We don't compete in the series we own. HELLO!??? You are misinformed. We own Drift Fury and compete in NOPI Drift, which we aren't employed by nor do we own. All of this race car/shop car crap is just plain stupid. We started out as peons just like everyone. We spent almost every dime we had last year trying to make it big. It paid off for us. If we didn't get sponsored this year...we were done. House gone, shop gone, cars gone. Don't get all high and mighty on me based on assumptions you have made up in your head

Calling me names and discounting our hard work is not a way to have a polite debate. I'm just not going to take it anymore. It's not worth it to me to dignify people's problems with us and what we do or how we got there. Do some homework or ask. Don't just run off at the mouth because you read some stuff on the internet.

BTW, I still haven't read the first post and I refuse unless someone wants to come at me correct. Until then...ta ta.