I just want to explain something to everyone who believes in me.

[quickdodge®]

Here is a picture that I have always thought was funny and (to me) not wrong(besides maybe the cursing?). Later, QD.

[Psycho]

^repped

["B"]

A goal.

Judging by your response, ironically enough maybe you could benefit from having a more positive goal in your life since you already think you're in hell.

I wrote my piece before I read your post. It wasn't a response to your post.

[Kelly]

By contrast, a picture whose ONLY purpose IS to irritate people that believe in Jesus is NOT something that I find particularly funny at all. There is a big difference. Your joke is exactly that, a joke. Funny and non-inflammatory. The picture in the first page here is the purposeful and inflammatory kind. It serves no other purpose. Much some racial jokes, it is only funny to those that believe in the subject.

Not trying to "nut swing" but this is exactly how I feel. I already said this was not a "good hearted joke" QD. Your joke was "tasteful" you could say. Not a picture of Jesus / joke like that- it is very "tasteless" if you ask me.

[Kelly]

Here is a picture that I have always thought was funny and (to me) not wrong(besides maybe the cursing?). Later, QD.

This, again, is ok. Just not a picture of Jesus dying on the cross--- the main reason christianity exists. It's a little more touchy then Mose parting the waters.

[Jaimecbr900]

Here is a picture that I have always thought was funny and (to me) not wrong(besides maybe the cursing?). Later, QD.

See, that's funny. Nothing wrong with it, except maybe the cursing for the little ones. That's funny. That's humor.

Much like if someone came up and called your child ugly, not Ms. Amanda because she's beautiful ....but any other child , you will immidietly take it personal. People, as Kelly stated, hold their religious belief system very close to their heart....and they should. So therefore when you step on their toes about that, you are stepping on something they hold near and dear to them hence why they take it very personal at times. It's only a natural reaction to the situation. Just like I wouldn't think a "joke" about any of my children would be funny....I too have a very narrow window in which I feel religious "jokes" are funny.

[.:Zero:.]

Religion is an escape for people who need some one else to tell them the meaning of life, or for people who are afraid of death and need the reassurance of an after life.

[Kelly]

Religion is an escape for people who need some one else to tell them the meaning of life, or for people who are afraid of death and need the reassurance of an after life.

And that's your opinion. We'll all find out one way or another...

[ShooterMcGavin]

Religion is not about justice, it's about someone's FAITH to believe in something.

i didn't say it was, but we as human beings have come to believe in justice, irregardless of if we believe in religion. therefore i operate in that way, i see things for the most part in a white and black, right and wrong. i don't see any reason to conjure up faith to believe in something that doesn't promote that, if you get my drift.

Far too often people such as yourself believe that bedside confessions and sudden "beliefs" are automatic tickets to heaven. They are not always. WE have no way of KNOWING who goes to heaven until we get there. So what makes you think 50 or anybody else that tries to sneak in with a last minute manifesto IS going anywhere but where they belong? In other words, WE are not to be the judges of that trial. There is only ONE judge. HE will make the determination weather someone's heart is truly where it should be or they are merely hiding behind that smile again.

that's not what i believe per se, but that is a very real possibility given the religion is it not? and if so, even if in their hearts they are truly repentent, in my eyes that should not absolve them of all past wrongdoings.

You should not choose to believe in God or not based on WHO is going to be your neighbor in heaven. That is not choosing God, that's just wanting to BE God and that's wrong. Forget 50, forget Hitler, forget Gandhi. THEY chose their own paths and will either pay or be rewarded for those choices. It has zero bearing on YOU. NONE. So why worry about them instead of you? Why?

who said i was worried about them? i just know that if i went out tomorrow and massacred a dozen ppl, i would not want to be in heaven, ever, via any method, period. so i guess in that same sense i wouldn't expect anyone else to even want that to happen. there are heinous acts that no amount of repentence should wash away, that's my belief. you can argue faith, the fact that christ already died for your sins, god is the only judge or anything else that might make my opinion null and void in the christian sense but hey, that's what i believe and that's free will right?

["B"]

Doesn't it piss you people off that you pray and pray and pray and nothing really happens?

Or that a non-believer (50 Cent) or fake believers can have everything they ever wanted, but you can barely pay your own bills?

[.:Zero:.]

And that's your opinion. We'll all find out one way or another...

Would you believe me if I said that if I eat 4 quarters, I can shit out a dollar bill? Would you believe your priest if he said he has candy in his pocket if you reach into it? Follow your own religion, fear what you choose to fear, live how you want to live. Don't waste your life in fear of an un-known entity who will smite you for farting wrong.

[Kelly]

Would you believe me if I said that if I eat 4 quarters, I can shit out a dollar bill? Would you believe your priest if he said he has candy in his pocket if you reach into it? Follow your own religion, fear what you choose to fear, live how you want to live. Don't waste your life in fear of an un-known entity who will smite you for farting wrong.

Again, it's faith. I believe because I've experienced God. It's a feeling, a certain peace inside. He helps me overcome some things, other things I feel, is a test. Why does He test us?--- because He wants us to prove our love to Him and prove our faith, that we know He'll eventually, in HIS own time, bring us thru. He honestly comforts me when I'm upset, He provides for me - "B" - when I think their is no way out (physically, financially, emotionally). He really does. I'm not gonna preach to you guys. He's real, to me.

However, I am open minded to the fact that different people have thier own convictions- I went thru a period when I wouldn't read magazines. I have had lots of confidence issues and I decided they only hurt me (cuz I wanted to look like all those girls, blah blah blah). I know people who are convicted over watching CSI. Some think drinking is ok, some think smoking is ok, etc etc etc... I think it is between you and God. We know, in our hearts, what's right/wrong.

[quickdodge®]

Again, it's faith. I believe because I've experienced God.

You've experienced what you think is God. There is no tangible proof that it was God. It is just a feeling you have. Later, QD.

[Kelly]

Doesn't it piss you people off that you pray and pray and pray and nothing really happens?

Or that a non-believer (50 Cent) or fake believers can have everything they ever wanted, but you can barely pay your own bills?

I know what you're saying but..


True story: I've been worried about money lately. My checking account was getting pretty low. Even though it would've been easy to just keep my 10% tithe check that I gave to my church, I didn't. I put it in the offering along with a little prayer and a little faith that God was gonna take care of things. (this was yesterday)

Today, a lady that I work for part time realized that she was behind a month on paying me- so she goes ahead and writes me a check for what she owed me plus this months pay.

God never ceases to take care of me financially. I 100% trust that as long as I serve Him, my needs will be met- one way or another.

['chell]

Again, it's faith. I believe because I've experienced God. It's a feeling, a certain peace inside. He helps me overcome some things, other things I feel, is a test. Why does He test us?--- because He wants us to prove our love to Him and prove our faith, that we know He'll eventually, in HIS own time, bring us thru. He honestly comforts me when I'm upset, He provides for me - "B" - when I think their is no way out (physically, financially, emotionally). He really does. I'm not gonna preach to you guys. He's real, to me.

However, I am open minded to the fact that different people have thier own convictions- I went thru a period when I wouldn't read magazines. I have had lots of confidence issues and I decided they only hurt me (cuz I wanted to look like all those girls, blah blah blah). I know people who are convicted over watching CSI. Some think drinking is ok, some think smoking is ok, etc etc etc... I think it is between you and God. We know, in our hearts, what's right/wrong.

you could not have said that any better. Beautifully truthful!

[Kelly]

You've experienced what you think is God. There is no tangible proof that it was God. It is just a feeling you have. Later, QD.

That's the faith thing again. I do see what you're getting at though.

[XanRules]

i see no justice, no right, in someone going to heaven who who has willingly committed sin after sin (no longer talking about 50 here, just in general). yet if they somehow truly, willingly, repent before they die, they get whisked away to an eternity of good times. i'm sorry but i can't talk myself into believing that, i can't will myself into believing it, faith or no faith.

Similarly I don't like the idea that only Christians go to heaven.

I don't subscribe to any belief system that puts Gandhi in hell.

["B"]

I know what you're saying but..


True story: I've been worried about money lately. My checking account was getting pretty low. Even though it would've been easy to just keep my 10% tithe check that I gave to my church, I didn't. I put it in the offering along with a little prayer and a little faith that God was gonna take care of things. (this was yesterday)

Today, a lady that I work for part time realized that she was behind a month on paying me- so she goes ahead and writes me a check for what she owed me plus this months pay.

God never ceases to take care of me financially. I 100% trust that as long as I serve Him, my needs will be met- one way or another.

But the lady gave you the money, not God. Am I wrong?

[.:Zero:.]

Again, it's faith. I believe because I've experienced God. It's a feeling, a certain peace inside. He helps me overcome some things, other things I feel, is a test. Why does He test us?--- because He wants us to prove our love to Him and prove our faith, that we know He'll eventually, in HIS own time, bring us thru. He honestly comforts me when I'm upset, He provides for me - "B" - when I think their is no way out (physically, financially, emotionally). He really does. I'm not gonna preach to you guys. He's real, to me.

You have every right to believe that, all I'm saying is don't blindly accept everything that a book, or a man dressed in a pretty gown says. Judgement and skepticism is what the bible preaches, so why should it or the people who teach it be exempted? Don't change your ways just because either of the two tells you to do so.

[Kelly]

But the lady gave you the money, not God. Am I wrong?

I believe God provided thru her...

But no, God himself didn't walk up to me and give it to me.

[Kelly]

You have every right to believe that, all I'm saying is don't blindly accept everything that a book, or a man dressed in a pretty gown says. Judgement and skepticism is what the bible preaches, so why should it or the people who teach it be exempted? Don't change your ways just because either of the two tells you to do so.

Again, I believe everyone has thier own convictions. Ex: drinking, cussing, smoking, sex before marriage, etc... Some think they're all a ticket to hell, some think a few are, some think none of them are. I'm not the judge. I know what I am convicted of and, even though it's a continous struggle, I try my best to avoid those things & please God in every way possible.

And again, I'm not blindly accepting everything. I've experienced what I believe is Him. His love, comfort, healing, willingness to provide when needed, etc...

[.:Zero:.]

True story: I've been worried about money lately. My checking account was getting pretty low. Even though it would've been easy to just keep my 10% tithe check that I gave to my church, I didn't. I put it in the offering along with a little prayer and a little faith that God was gonna take care of things. (this was yesterday)

Today, a lady that I work for part time realized that she was behind a month on paying me- so she goes ahead and writes me a check for what she owed me plus this months pay.

God never ceases to take care of me financially. I 100% trust that as long as I serve Him, my needs will be met- one way or another.

What kind of god would have to test his followers by putting them through agony? If god is all knowing, shouldn't god already know what kind of person you are? You gave money to the chuch for donations, but shouldn't they be giving you donations because of your financial problems? Don't give all your money to the church. Next time you talk to the priest, look at what kind of watch he wears. Religion is one of the most corrupt businesses in the world. Just a few hundred years ago, priests would say if you gave them money they could do away with your sins.

[ShooterMcGavin]

Similarly I don't like the idea that only Christians go to heaven.

I don't subscribe to any belief system that puts Gandhi in hell.

i know exactly where you're coming from, and i've never been able to make any sense of the whole "acts don't get you into heaven" thing.

i mean seriously, why would god create humans as an image of himself, instill us with instincts and a conscience, a sense of right and wrong, only to say it doesn't really matter....bc if you don't worship god, you don't go to heaven, no matter what great deeds you've done. that in my mind resembles a tyranny or a dictatorship, if you don't abide by the rules, you lose.

[.:Zero:.]

I try my best to avoid those things & please God in all ways possible.

That's just it, don't worry about pleasing some one else, worry about your-self and what's best for you. I'm not saying to go kill people and steal things. Living life in fear of actually living it is a waste, and isn't wasting life a sin?

[XanRules]

What kind of god would have to test his followers by putting them through agony? If god is all knowing, shouldn't god already know what kind of person you are? You gave money to the chuch for donations, but shouldn't they be giving you donations because of your financial problems? Don't give all your money to the church. Next time you talk to the priest, look at what kind of watch he wears. Religion is one of the most corrupt businesses in the world. Just a few hundred years ago, priests would say if you gave them money they could do away with your sins.

Maybe they did.

Man that would really throw my shit for a loop

[Kelly]

What kind of god would have to test his followers by putting them through agony? If god is all knowing, shouldn't god already know what kind of person you are? You gave money to the chuch for donations, but shouldn't they be giving you donations because of your financial problems? Don't give all your money to the church. Next time you talk to the priest, look at what kind of watch he wears. Religion is one of the most corrupt businesses in the world. Just a few hundred years ago, priests would say if you gave them money they could do away with your sins.

I agree, to an extent. Their are many preachers that go way overboard asking for money. I know it even sickens God. That's not what God wants, however, it does take money to run a church and I am more than willing to support my church. They have helped me, spiritually, and to me that costs more than any earthly thing. My pastor would help me out if I needed money, hands down. But I chose to believe that if God wanted to use my pastor to bless me with money, I wouldn't necessarily have to ask him. He would just know. God provided and that's all that matters. (If i really needed the money I could've asked my family. But that's not the point)

[Kelly]

That's just it, don't worry about pleasing some one else, worry about your-self and what's best for you. I'm not saying to go kill people and steal things. Living life in fear of actually living it is a waste, and isn't wasting life a sin?

So you're telling me that if I don't sin daily, i'm wasting my life?

C'mon man. My life is full of wonderful people/things and (not saying i'm perfect cuz i'm far from it) I serve & try to please God daily.

[.:Zero:.]

Lets all calm down and listen to some wholesome bible rock


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ezcoy-Lz8p4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCVTb...related&search=

[Kelly]

Or how bout this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zWmK0uX-2c

[.:Zero:.]

The seed of doubt has been planted, I'm done here.

[Kelly]

The seed of doubt has been planted, I'm done here.

No doubt here. Nothin but love

Have a nice day

[ThatS13guy]

lirl

[_Christian_]

sorry to interrupt your debate, but that pic made my day!!!

[BABY J]

One time I put a tooth in a glass of water. I went to sleep. When I woke up, the tooth was gone and there was $5 on my nightstand. Imaginary people FTW!

[BABY J]

LOL @ bible thumpers. Organized religion is nonsense. Why is "Christianity" a religion - while ancient Greek and Roman beliefs (which was RELIGION in their day) is "mythology"? LOL

The answer? People haven't accepted how fucking stupid it is yet.

[_Christian_]

^i agree. i already gave u +1 for the 1st comment though.

[BABY J]

One day - like we laugh at "mythology" and accept is as a stupid time that we as a people have passed through where we believed different things - so will we see todays views as well. I think it will be referred to as "Stupidolgy" by then though. Like mythology, it will be a class taught in college that people get to laugh at and say - DAMN they were so STUPID back then. LOL.

[BABY J]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=EEhXCiUeB...elated&search=

http://youtube.com/watch?v=sv7sRVdoz...elated&search=

Get his book "God is Not Good" and educate yourself.

[umairejaz]

While I agree that society as a whole is very soft and sissified, there are certain things that are funny and others that are not.

Example: Racial jokes. Some are so funny that they make you pee in your pants. Others are funny only to those that find the subject funny. So eventhough it technically was a "joke", it wasn't very funny to the majority of people listening. Does that mean that jokester has to have a little more class or does that mean that the listener needs to lighten up?

Basically, when you are truly kidding around about something 99.9% of people will know right away that it's truly a joke. If you have a very mixed reaction, then your "joke" was either delivered wrong or just wrong all together.

There are certain things people should NEVER "joke" about in my book; someone's family/children, someone's religion, someone's misfortune. If that's too many boundaries, then so be it. I just think that respect and tact dictate that people NOT pour salt into someone's wounds and then call it a "joke" and laugh about it. That's just you being an ass and hiding behind a smile.

My

You may just be the smartest man in this thread.

[RandomGuy]

hahah i have a feeling that some of the people offended by this thought the Quran-now in 2ply cartoon was hilarious. Things that you hold dear to you aren't so venerated by others as I learned. What can you do? Shit let 'em laugh it up I guess. It is the different colors that make the world.

But on the other spectrum of things, super athiests can believe some sort of Deist joke to be offensive so it depends on the person. So everyone can have a different effect to shit, why censor what you post? I'm sure some of the shit I post offends. Some person might've had a traumatic experience walking in on his grandfather and his poker buddies doing something and a link that I may have posted brought flashbacks causing epileptic seizures... ya know... Then theres the semi-religious who think that pic is wrong but like "LOLOL thats fucked up but funny" type of shit. Might be tasteless to you and be "OMGLOL" to sum1 else... I honestly think its kind of funny(in a satirical way-- look at the way its worded HAHA, you have to admit it made you chuckle a little, surely you believe otherwise its just the attempt thats semi-funny) Sure it's offensive and I'm Muslim (pretty close to biblical stories), Jesus is a prophet in Islam, But thats just how the cookie crumbles. People just make things to push people's buttons.... and this one worked, as did the 2ply cartoon. Think of all the racist shit we post on here... now imagine of we had a really racially sensitive person come up in this heap LOL... They'd cry for months.
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