22 Dead at Va. Tech

[Ruiner]

Yea, im thinking this guy could have just walked around the buildings while firing away and still had plenty of victims. Im still shocked they didn't cancel shit after the first shooting at 7:15, that seems kind of rediculous.

They don't know if it is the same person in both shootings, though. You can ASSUME, but you just don't know yet. I will say that closing down campus would have done NOTHING as many students were already in route to class by the time and/or by the time that the police/administration realize that there had been a shooting and people were dead. Figure that that first shooting is at 7:15, 911 is called, the police show up at 7:20-7:25, investigation happens, and decisions are made. That will put you at 8, 8:30, etc. The email goes out at 9:15ish?

Keep in mind that 11,000 people are driving into campus (that number is from the President of the school). They DID lock down the building where the first incident occured and given witness statements, were under the impression that the person was fleeing campus and/or the state.

A lot of stuff happened very quickly. It's hard to make actions happen that quickly.

[tony]

This is one report:

SKY NEWS: Witnesses said he was heavily armed and entered the college looking for his girlfriend... He reportedly lined up students and opened fire at them. He was said to be an Asian, in his mid-20s...

[Ruiner]

I assume he would have to be a pretty good shooter to fatally wound 31 people out of 60, prior military? My mind cannot conceive the horror that was in that dormitory so I cannot begin to imagine what really happened. 2 9mm's in hand though I find it hard to believe that he was just walking through shooting people.

Imagine 30-50 people huddled in the corner of a room. Is it really *that* hard to aim at a group of huddled people and shoot? No.

You act as if he was picking them off, individually, from 15ft away. I have a feeling that they were running away and/or huddled up against the wall. That makes people VERY easy targets. You don't have to be THAT good of a shot. Also, you don't know how many shots that he fired. He might have fired over 200 rounds, killed 31, injured 29, and missed the rest.

[Ruiner]

Don't really need to have aim if you shoot alot of rounds. Aim at head level, fire. Its also possible that the person was a hunter or had lots of practice with guns recreationally.

He was shooting into class rooms. Most class rooms have one door for entry/exit. Run into the room, the people ALL run to the back of the room. They are all lined up ready to be shot. It isn't hard...

[Ruiner]

Keep in mind that classes started at 8pm, it takes 15-20 minutes to walk from one side of campus to the other. The call came into 911 at 7:15am. It takes time... THOUSANDS of kids travel to campus for class (about 11,000 they said). The rest live on/around campus. How do you lock down ALL buildings on campus? Getting word out, alone, just to do that, would take TIME and resources that they didn't have.

[R3RUN]

^good points. I agree that it was alot of quick events but it seems like somebody could have gotten to him before he had a chance to kill 30 people. Then again, if there is a class of 300 in one room it would not take long.

[Ruiner]

^good points. I agree that it was alot of quick events but it seems like somebody could have gotten to him before he had a chance to kill 30 people. Then again, if there is a class of 300 in one room it would not take long.

A. Nobody knew where he was. As I said earlier, reports saw him feeling "away" from the building what was thought to be away from campus. They did do a "sweep" of campus, however, right after this happened. As they were doing this and/or right after, the second shooting incident happened. Is it the same person? Dunno that yet. They just don't know right now and it will take time to figure this out.

B. Pistols/guns/weapons are illegal on college campuses 'cept by law enforcement.

[Hulud]

damn 33? this shit is fucked

[C22H19N3O4]

This is one report:

SKY NEWS: Witnesses said he was heavily armed and entered the college looking for his girlfriend... He reportedly lined up students and opened fire at them. He was said to be an Asian, in his mid-20s...

Won't be a good week for Koreans.

Va. Tech Gunman Was Student From S.Korea

STORY

[nightracer]

we really need to do something about our gun control in this country, were so gun crazy its ridiculous

That is exactly why this happened, to get you to feel compelled to vote in favor of harsh gun control to take away all our guns. Yea guns are dangerous, lets just all have no protection.

[nightracer]

B. Pistols/guns/weapons are illegal on college campuses 'cept by law enforcement.

Which is why Charles Steger, the President, the VP, VP of Academic Affairs and VT Chief of Police are all potentially jobless. They will either resign, have their contracts pulled or be fired on the spot, they had warnings and did nothing. They let 2 hours go by without locking that campus down? GTFO! This was a horrible security failure. The university is going to be sued, Charles Steger's resignation will be demanded, and VT will pay millions. Enrollment may even drop.

People bring guns on college campuses all the time but the campus security has to be on the job and these guys clearly were NOT!

[C22H19N3O4]

That is exactly why this happened, to get you to feel compelled to vote in favor of harsh gun control to take away all our guns..

Huh?

[nightracer]

Keep in mind that classes started at 8pm, it takes 15-20 minutes to walk from one side of campus to the other. The call came into 911 at 7:15am. It takes time... THOUSANDS of kids travel to campus for class (about 11,000 they said). The rest live on/around campus. How do you lock down ALL buildings on campus? Getting word out, alone, just to do that, would take TIME and resources that they didn't have.

Sheriff, State Boys, Local Police, SWAT, Hell, even the National Guard, they couldn't know what was unfolding it could be Al Qeada attacking, which is why there is no excuse.

You can use crowd control to get 20,000 people off the grounds, I know police officers who've controlled huge crowds and riots so it is possible. They should have had the campus swarming with helicopters, SWAT and Cops minutes after the first shootings.

[nightracer]

Huh?

People are going to push for some crazy kind of gun control after this is all over. I say people control and slow the foreigners.

[Hulud]

i like how people are saying how good/bad of a job VT did at controlling this situation

but lets look at the facts that you have

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thats right you werent there, you only have what the media has given, so why are you commenting on how they reacted when you have no idea what they knew/didnt know and how they acted/didnt act about the situation

[C22H19N3O4]

People are going to push for some crazy kind of gun control after this is all over. I say people control and slow the foreigners.

Your statement as it reads makes it seem like the shooter had some ulterior motive.

[C22H19N3O4]

There are rumors that Bush wants to declare war against South Korea. He added all Asian students with bowl haircuts to the "axis of evil" list.

[nightracer]

Your statement as it reads makes it seem like the shooter had some ulterior motive.

He was probably too geeked in the head to have that much foresight.

[nightracer]

thats right you werent there, you only have what the media has given, so why are you commenting on how they reacted when you have no idea what they knew/didnt know and how they acted/didnt act about the situation

Because the actions they took in reaction to the events that played out yesterday morning were not thorough and were not able to isolate the problem. Try shooting at an airport and see if the whole area doesn't get locked down, combed and the shooter laying on the ground with 10 or so rounds in his head. We are at war with terrorists and all public establishments should be secured because all of us are at risk.