Is "nappy Headed hos" really THAT big of a deal?

[Professor X]

That is the exact reason why people got so offended. Bcuz he is white and they are black girls plain and simple.

This is exactly my point. IT IS NOT OKAY WHEN 50 CENT SAYS IT! The fact of the matter is that it doesn't get media attention when 50 cent says it in a rap song but who in there right mind looks at 50 cent as a role model. I guarantee you that if Charles Barkeley used profanity on TNT or used a racial slur, it would be a problem. Yeah, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are who they are, but who brings the cameras to them and puts them on tv? The same principle that many of you have suggested about changing the channel or turning down the volume when Imus speaks could be used on Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. However the general consensus is that they are idiots so everyone chimes in. WRONG IS WRONG REGARDLESS OF WHO DOES IT OR SAYS IT!

[{X}Echo419]

This is exactly my point. IT IS NOT OKAY WHEN 50 CENT SAYS IT! The fact of the matter is that it doesn't get media attention when 50 cent says it in a rap song but who in there right mind looks at 50 cent as a role model. I guarantee you that if Charles Barkeley used profanity on TNT or used a racial slur, it would be a problem. Yeah, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are who they are, but who brings the cameras to them and puts them on tv? The same principle that many of you have suggested about changing the channel or turning down the volume when Imus speaks could be used on Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. However the general consensus is that they are idiots so everyone chimes in. WRONG IS WRONG REGARDLESS OF WHO DOES IT OR SAYS IT!

CHARLES NOOOOO!!!!! GOT OUTTA MY HEAD!!!!
sry I just had to

[koukis14]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/0...ers/index.html


ITS A MAN BABY!!!!

[4dmin]

how come a white guy cracks a racial joke and he is suddenly he is a racist; a black guy calls another guy a nigger or a black chick a nappy hoe it is ok... BS.

personally i think it is funny i used the term atleast 3x today lol

[Turbo04]

Who's to say what is right or wrong when it comes to freedom of speech? Ally and sharkass have just as much right to be preaching their brand of bullshit like Imus did when he said it and they need to fucking pull their head outta their ass and see that. That shit doesn't just go one way... Personaly I don't give a shit if he called them nappy headed ho's....WTF? If it's not true why sweat it? Does that mean cause he said what he did all the desperate men and harcore lesbians will not want to get with 'dem hos? If america spent 1/2 as much time and effort finding osama and other truly bad ppl, as we did on bullshit like this his ass would've been taken care of years ago. You don't like the fact that people can and will say things you don't like? They need to take their ass back to "the mother land" and see just how long they will put up with their bullshit. How great would it be to start a petition to have THEM removed from the air?

[bafbrian]

This is exactly my point. IT IS NOT OKAY WHEN 50 CENT SAYS IT! The fact of the matter is that it doesn't get media attention when 50 cent says it in a rap song but who in there right mind looks at 50 cent as a role model. I guarantee you that if Charles Barkeley used profanity on TNT or used a racial slur, it would be a problem. Yeah, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are who they are, but who brings the cameras to them and puts them on tv? The same principle that many of you have suggested about changing the channel or turning down the volume when Imus speaks could be used on Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. However the general consensus is that they are idiots so everyone chimes in. WRONG IS WRONG REGARDLESS OF WHO DOES IT OR SAYS IT!

That right there is the absolute truth. But, people, ignorant people particularly, will never learn.

I am multi-racial and I have never used any derogatory terms that are racial in nature bcuz, like it says in bold, wrong is wrong.

Regardless of what color a person is, a statement like this is down right wrong. If this guy gets in trouble, then everyone who calls a woman that or makes racial comments, should get in trouble, but that will never happen bcuz there are too many different standards for different races.

[Professor X]

how come a white guy cracks a racial joke and he is suddenly he is a racist; a black guy calls another guy a nigger or a black chick a nappy hoe it is ok... BS.

personally i think it is funny i used the term atleast 3x today lol

I personally don't see what's funny about it but that's just me. I have and will continue to stand by my statement that it IS NOT OKAY FOR ANYONE TO SAY IT! Just because CNN or MSNBC choose not to make it a big deal or Al Sharpton doesn't make it a big deal does not justify it.

How about if your mom does an interview and some radio or tv personality calls her a b*tch; are you gonna tell me that because some "POP" teens call each other that, it's okay. Come on guys. This isn't hard to understand. If you hear someone say something stupid or ignorant; that speaks of that individual, not of anything further.

[Turbo04]

[twinj]

I personally don't see what's funny about it but that's just me. I have and will continue to stand by my statement that it IS NOT OKAY FOR ANYONE TO SAY IT! Just because CNN or MSNBC choose not to make it a big deal or Al Sharpton doesn't make it a big deal does not justify it.

How about if your mom does an interview and some radio or tv personality calls her a b*tch; are you gonna tell me that because some "POP" teens call each other that, it's okay. Come on guys. This isn't hard to understand. If you hear someone say something stupid or ignorant; that speaks of that individual, not of anything further.

^^ agreed

[Turbo04]

I personally don't see what's funny about it but that's just me. I have and will continue to stand by my statement that it IS NOT OKAY FOR ANYONE TO SAY IT! Just because CNN or MSNBC choose not to make it a big deal or Al Sharpton doesn't make it a big deal does not justify it.

How about if your mom does an interview and some radio or tv personality calls her a b*tch; are you gonna tell me that because some "POP" teens call each other that, it's okay. Come on guys. This isn't hard to understand. If you hear someone say something stupid or ignorant; that speaks of that individual, not of anything further.

The problem with that is with your scenerio your singling out one person. He did not. New never said anything about a particular person or race. Instead he generalized that entire team when he said it. This isn't a race issue at all...it never was. He did not say "those black people on the team are nappy headed ho's". It's simply a case of a joke that some found funny others did not. You can't sit there and tell me you've never called someone/group a name nor said something aloud about someone/group that was not the nicest thing. Everyone has made jokes about other people groups of people but that doesn't mean that it needs to be blown up and made a national issue outta it. That is the problem with america today...we all want to have free speech and etc...but then something comes along and we don't like the way it sounds and all the sudden it can't be allowed. You can't have it both ways...either it's truly free speech good/bad/weird or not. There is no gray area. It was said earlier that if you do not like it, turn the dial off, remove yourself from the hearing it. NOT "oh it's bad THEY have to stop". We all may not agree on everything but everyone has equal right to say what the hell they want when they want, good, bad, ugly. All this pissing and moaning about it truly just makes it more obvious that we are loosing grasp on what it truly means to be free.

[Hulud]

im really glad to see more people think like me or i think like them.

i thought i was going to be flamed

oh, you're a flamer. so there was no need lol

[Hulud]

Oh trust me, he WILL get my vote.

no offense but he wont be on the ballot in november

it will be edwards vs. "a non-winning republican"

[Kamikaze]

no offense but he wont be on the ballot in november

it will be edwards vs. "a non-winning republican"

We'll see.

[99SI]

Some people mentioned not having any true black leaders that will criticize and call out the problems with black society and offer up a true way to make a change. I clearly remember Bill Cosby doing just that sometime last year and the NAACP chastized him for it!!! On the issue of race, my father grew up in Macon during the 60's/70's. He went through segregation then integration and grew up around lots of racist people. He never felt that way. He became a coach/teacher at Henry County Middle School in 1979 and has been there since. When I was growing up I knew as many black people as I did white, we always had one or two black kids at the house that dad was helping out or making sure that they made it to school or were getting a good meal. I had never heard the word "nigger" until I was about 4 years old and was on a school bus my dad was driving with his wrestling team to a match. One of his wrestlers, "smoky", a black kid taught me the word. My dad was so pissed off about it and asked him what he was going to do when I repeated the word that had been taught to me as a joke by a black guy. I have had an interesting perspective on race and see the flaws in white society as well as black society, it's too bad more people can't.

[99SI]

BTW, "Smoky" got his nickname b/c when he was younger their house burned and all his clothes smelled like smoke. Had nothing to do with the fact he was black as night. I don't know why but for some reason I felt like I needed to qualify that.

[God]

I had this argument with a coworker.. he and another friend I have claim I'm too critical of blacks.. they joke and say I'm racist toward blacks but I really wish one of the so called leaders would become critical. I could say some things here that would piss people off but in a nutshell I'm finding it harder and harder to argue with racists because hell.. the way a lot of black kids carry theirselves they do nothing but feed stereotypes.

I guarantee you.. and mark my words on this, these so called black leaders will turn their back on Obama when they find out that he will not cater to the black community more than any other race. They will call him a sellout and a traitor. I think about stuff like this on Independence day, people celebrate freedom but apparently freedom of speech only stands when something is said in your favor.

Educated individuals would understand that everyone has opinions and if this guy is THAT bad people will stop listening and the market will weed him out, it is not the governments job to step into the private sector to fire someone. Make no mistake, I was offended for those women but I understand the way the system works... the more attention Imus gets the more valuable his show is.

im just gonna copy a post i made on another forum talking about this



that's one thing i'll never understand, here in atlanta where you have places like morehouse, my friends who go there, get ragged on when they go home.
doesnt make sense to me at all. or how certain leaders of "the movement" will call people like colin powell and condi "uncle toms" or similar comments from the DNC, yet, no one says anything to retort, or hell when Howard Dean made the comment ------

During a meeting last month with black Democrats in Washington, D.C., Dean joked during a speech, “You think the Republican National Committee could get this many people of color in a single room? Only if they had the hotel staff in here.”
from- http://www.blackamericaweb.com/site....itloud/dean302

my god if a republican would have said that all hell would have broken loose.

[Lucky DAWG]

no offense but he wont be on the ballot in november

it will be edwards vs. "a non-winning republican"

nvm him winning the primaries
according to him he isn't even running at this point yet he is always on the news lol

[Vteckidd]

I heard some very interesting things yesterday on the radio and news shows:

How come Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are so quick to jump on this issue, but they neglect the much more serious issues affecting the "black community". How about the 50% drop out rate in inner city high schools or how about 80% of people incarcerated in the US are black. How come domestically African Americans have the highest pregnancy rate under the age of 20, highest illegitamacy rate, etc etc etc.

The guy that said this was:
Larry Elder



He makes very good points, why do Sharpton and Jackson try to champion this incident like its the biggest thing since david duke. Why is this issue getting SO MUCH attention, is it REALLY that bad for race relations? is it really as bad as everyone is making it out to seem?

If they are such champions of the black community, where are they on the issues that MATTER like the ones listed above. Surely calling someone a "nappy headed ho" is not in the same league as the SCARY statistics listed above.

How come other people are allowed to get away with MUCH WORSE, like this comment Hilary Clinton made recently:

Isnt this Racist?

how come that never got any attention? where were people when she made that comment?

[Jaimecbr900]

No offense but I don't think you've been alive long enough to even understand the situation, your statement only proves this.

On the issue, it was a stupid statement but I'm more angry at the fact that Al Sharpton is taken as the voice of blacks and the media seems to feed him more and more. What these idiots (such as sharpton) only did was widen his customer base. People enjoy drama, people like to be offended.. so Imus did himself a justice by saying what he said..and he got a two week paid vacation out of it too.

I'm tired of playing the game.. I'm black and know that I can say whatever I want about white people and get away with it. I could get on the radio and call all the white people in the south redneck white trash and nothing will ever happen.

I guess I am fed up with being grouped into the majority of blacks who complain about what white people do but turn my back to real issues within the black community such as black on black crime or the lack of education in the community. Not all of us think like that, its just the ones who do seem to get all of the attention.

I am so glad to see that someone has enough intelligence and common sense to weed thru all the BS and tell it like it is. Major, major props.

I've said it a million times folks. If you play into the hand that the racists and the bigots stereotype you into, YOU are the bigger fool for giving them ammo to shoot you with.

The more the Black community backs bigots and racists like Sharpton and Jackson, the bigger the black eye to the community as a whole. Some people don't get that. Equality is not division. Equality is not choosing one side over the other. Equality is calling a spade a spade, REGARDLESS of color/race.

To all of you that dismiss the notions of bringing "rappers" or "entertainers" into this mix, you are just perpetuating that same laisse faire attitude. 50 cent didn't sell millions of records to just white America. As a matter of fact, truth be known I'm willing to bet that the scale swings widely the other way. Now, if you think it's "OK" for him to use the N word and call women "ho's" and "bitches" enough to pay $12 for his CD.....why is it so bad when a total unknown to you (many of us have confessed that we don't listen to Imus) says just a fraction of what YOU PAID for???? Think about it. It's "ok" for a person who's claim to fame is using that same vernacular and is proud to be a "thug" to say far WORSE than some half dead white guy did to only a fraction of the size of the audience??

So let's put all this into REAL perspective shall we?

Imus on a good day has maybe 100,000 loyal listeners. Rappers and entertainers have what? Millions of loyal followers who PAY and make them filthy rich to listen, laugh, and be "entertained" while using 100x's worse derrogatory vocabulary. Then how come Sharpton, Jackson, now even the Mayor is all up in arms about that? What exactly is sooooo important about a relatively insignificant person that has very little to no impact on society as a whole, especially when compared to the iconic pedestal today's youth put "entertainers" on????

Is it really that important to fight this battle when there are so many more important and higher impact battles to be fought?

["B"]

I personally love nappy headed hos.

[Vteckidd]

reread my last post jaime, i added alot to it lol

[Vteckidd]

I heard some very interesting things yesterday on the radio and news shows:

How come Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are so quick to jump on this issue, but they neglect the much more serious issues affecting the "black community". How about the 50% drop out rate in inner city high schools or how about 80% of people incarcerated in the US are black. How come domestically African Americans have the highest pregnancy rate under the age of 20, highest illegitamacy rate, etc etc etc.

The guy that said this was:
Larry Elder



He makes very good points, why do Sharpton and Jackson try to champion this incident like its the biggest thing since david duke. Why is this issue getting SO MUCH attention, is it REALLY that bad for race relations? is it really as bad as everyone is making it out to seem?

If they are such champions of the black community, where are they on the issues that MATTER like the ones listed above. Surely calling someone a "nappy headed ho" is not in the same league as the SCARY statistics listed above.

How come other people are allowed to get away with MUCH WORSE, like this comment Hilary Clinton made recently:

Isnt this Racist?

how come that never got any attention? where were people when she made that comment?

[Tracy]

Uhhhhh guys, there were white women on that team, too. If I'm not mistaken he was referring to the team as a whole. The white girls also got called nappy headed ho's. The most hilariuos thing to me is that I call my little sister a nappy headed ho all of the time....she's white, obviously. This has gone on for years before Imus. She has the nappiest hair I have ever seen. She finally has gotten control over it with the use of gel, but before that it was terrible. I never said it with the intent on being racists. I sai dit because I thought that she has nappy hair. I say nappy all of the time and usually it has nothing to do with hair. I use nappy in place of nasty...like "damn that pasta was nappy" or "damn, that girl has a nappy outfit on". Either way, I'm sure he offended some folks. Howard Stern did it for years and still does. People just think it's funny. Mencia does it everyday on his show and people just think it's funny. I think it should be up to the company he works for if he gets fired. They should have the say over whether ot not he represents the image they are trying to portray for his talk show

[Kamikaze]

I've said it a million times folks. If you play into the hand that the racists and the bigots stereotype you into, YOU are the bigger fool for giving them ammo to shoot you with.

Exactly.

The more the Black community backs bigots and racists like Sharpton and Jackson, the bigger the black eye to the community as a whole. Some people don't get that. Equality is not division. Equality is not choosing one side over the other. Equality is calling a spade a spade, REGARDLESS of color/race.

True equality won't occur until "race" as we know it disappears. Once we all intermix and blend until you can't tell who's what, then maybe there will be equality. But even then I bet someone will come up with something to create division.

To all of you that dismiss the notions of bringing "rappers" or "entertainers" into this mix, you are just perpetuating that same laisse faire attitude. 50 cent didn't sell millions of records to just white America. As a matter of fact, truth be known I'm willing to bet that the scale swings widely the other way.

IIRC, I read somewhere that the majority of the sales from the Rap/Hip Hop genre comes from white listeners. I could be wrong but for some reason that came to mind when I read your post.

Now, if you think it's "OK" for him to use the N word and call women "ho's" and "bitches" enough to pay $12 for his CD.....why is it so bad when a total unknown to you (many of us have confessed that we don't listen to Imus) says just a fraction of what YOU PAID for???? Think about it. It's "ok" for a person who's claim to fame is using that same vernacular and is proud to be a "thug" to say far WORSE than some half dead white guy did to only a fraction of the size of the audience??

It's not "OK" for anyone to say it. It's just not as big of a deal when the person is of the same race or part of another minority. Plus, there's still a lot of animosity between Blacks and Whites in the South. Some things aren't easily forgoten or forgiven even if the person/people you're hostile towards had nothing to do with it. No, it isn't fair but neither is life.

Is it really that important to fight this battle when there are so many more important and higher impact battles to be fought?

No. The problem is that most people have their priorities arranged in such a way that they make sure they get the maximum benefit regardless of how it affects the greater cause.

[JITB]

i dotn even think its the nappy headed hoes thing, and even the fact that the team is mostly black. its the fact that he had no reason to say it. And it was terrible timing, why talk that much shit about those girls when they were doing soo much good at that time. WE all agree it was stupid to say, everything else is just for the media.

it has to be a big deal to soemone because one of msnbc's biggest sponsors pulled their ads from his show..

[AirMax95]

He singled out a group, a team.....directed the comment to the whole team.

I read this whole thread, I would rather have this kind of discussion in person (makes it a lot more real)

Jesse and Al have not left the times of the 60's, the mind set that they are stuck in is not all that bad. They are actually, in my eyes, ensuring that acts of racism do not go unheard. Yes they blow it out of proportion sometimes, but it is what it is.

As I said before, he directed the comment to the team! There was not an ounce of doubt as to who he was speaking about (RUTGERS WOMENS BASKETBALL TEAM), also, it was public. They were humiliated in front of all who heard it. If any one here was exposed nationally and called out of their name in a negative light, they would be pissed. Notice I do not pull the race card, screw race......call any PERSON out of their name and I guarantee they will not like it. They may not call you a name back, fight you, or protest.....but it will not be appreciated.

Screw RACE, IMUS (to a certain extent), AL (to a certain extent), and Jesse (to a certain extent). They all took the situation and made it worse. AL/Jesse for exposing it in a racial light & IMUS for saying it and trying to justify it.....

Stereotypes are killing society everyday, most of those players (if not all) are super scholars, great athletes, and great people. They did not deserve to be called out of their name.

Oh, and for ALL the people who feel its okay to call some a derogatory name because SOMEONE ELSE (rappers, true racist, people in general) said it.....You are a follower of a sorry ass crowd of humans that will NEVER be leaders.....just think about it......

If I stepped on toes, call me out........

[AirMax95]

and I do not like 50 cents music, terrible

[Maniaç]

Mike this thread's worthless... you know its bad don't act like its not. you know what killer meant.


/thread

[AirMax95]

I heard some very interesting things yesterday on the radio and news shows:


The guy that said this was:
Larry Elder



He makes very good points, why do Sharpton and Jackson try to champion this incident like its the biggest thing since david duke. Why is this issue getting SO MUCH attention, is it REALLY that bad for race relations? is it really as bad as everyone is making it out to seem?

If they are such champions of the black community, where are they on the issues that MATTER like the ones listed above. Surely calling someone a "nappy headed ho" is not in the same league as the SCARY statistics listed above.

How come other people are allowed to get away with MUCH WORSE, like this comment Hilary Clinton made recently:

Isnt this Racist?

how come that never got any attention? where were people when she made that comment?

thanks for posting this......Larry is a standup guy who will HOPEFULLY grow a bigger, more educated crowd to the REAL topics in the world....

[Lucky DAWG]

Uhhhhh guys, there were white women on that team, too. If I'm not mistaken he was referring to the team as a whole. The white girls also got called nappy headed ho's. The most hilariuos thing to me is that I call my little sister a nappy headed ho all of the time....she's white, obviously. This has gone on for years before Imus. She has the nappiest hair I have ever seen. She finally has gotten control over it with the use of gel, but before that it was terrible. I never said it with the intent on being racists. I sai dit because I thought that she has nappy hair. I say nappy all of the time and usually it has nothing to do with hair. I use nappy in place of nasty...like "damn that pasta was nappy" or "damn, that girl has a nappy outfit on". Either way, I'm sure he offended some folks. Howard Stern did it for years and still does. People just think it's funny. Mencia does it everyday on his show and people just think it's funny. I think it should be up to the company he works for if he gets fired. They should have the say over whether ot not he represents the image they are trying to portray for his talk show

thats what we should really be mad about it
what a joke he is

[Professor X]

I agree with what has been posted the last two pages. I never was offended by what was said. I just believe certain people like to push the envelope. The HOES part was just as bad as far as I am concerned. DISRESPECT and RACISM in my eyes are a problem. As far as freedom of speech is concerned, there is a small word called censorship. By the way, the points are good. Keep them up.

[Jaimecbr900]

He singled out a group, a team.....directed the comment to the whole team.

He tried to make a joke. It wasn't funny and it backfired. But I'm certain that the guy is not smart enough or David Duke enough to have gotten up the other morning and thought ahead as to what stupidity he was gonna spew out of his mouth.

So wrong, he just said something stupid in the spur of the moment.

Jesse and Al have not left the times of the 60's, the mind set that they are stuck in is not all that bad.

Are you on crack?

They are both racists and bigots. They only fight when they can twist things around to be about what they're not. They are a sorry example of what "leaders" and "prominent figures" representing anyone should be. They are biased, they lie, they never admit their own faults, they proclaim to be preachers yet they advocate hate and separation, they show boat in front of cameras......should I go on?.....should I go and find a hundred examples of how they ONLY play the race card to their advantage???

If you look up to either one of those two clowns, you need better role models. Those two are the worst two you could have picked.

They are actually, in my eyes, ensuring that acts of racism do not go unheard.

Sorry, BS again.

They may show boat in front of the camera with their rehearsed speeches and tired excuses, but they certainly do not shine any positive light on anything.

How come you are glossing over Tawana Brawley? What about Washington Heights? How about Katrina? How about the many people that have been killed when either of these two numbnuts decides to stir up the crowd into a feeding frenzy? How come all that is swept under the rug? Show me in any one of those instances where they made sure that "racism didn't go unheard". They called something racist that wasn't and never came back to appologize for screwing up even after it was proven beyond any doubt they were wrong. Some leaders.

Both of them are nothing more than common race pimps, period. They know nothing else, they contribute nothing else. They are the PT Barnum's of the Black community Circus.

Yes they blow it out of proportion sometimes, but it is what it is.

Again, BS. They are professional inciter's of hate. They only use their clout to fan the flames of racism themselves. That is counter productive. They may show up to a soup kitchen to shake hands and kiss babies every blue moon, but they certainly don't roll up their sleeves and put their best foot forward to better their fellow man. They are like a pyromaniac. They start a fire and then get off watching it burn.

As I said before, he directed the comment to the team! There was not an ounce of doubt as to who he was speaking about (RUTGERS WOMENS BASKETBALL TEAM), also, it was public. They were humiliated in front of all who heard it. If any one here was exposed nationally and called out of their name in a negative light, they would be pissed. Notice I do not pull the race card, screw race......call any PERSON out of their name and I guarantee they will not like it. They may not call you a name back, fight you, or protest.....but it will not be appreciated.

I'll say it again.....SO???? What exactly is all the hoopla about? People get called "ho's" every damn day. Why is some old has been man in front of a mic any different? Turn on the TV to VH1, MTV, or BET right now. I'm willing to be that if there any rap or hip hop videos on there is atleast one thing, if not 100, that could piss off someone somewhere if they really wanted to make a big deal about it. Turn on the radio, the same thing happens. Go to a movie, the same thing happens. Hell, drive down the road and you may even see a bumper sticker or T-shirt that says something you don't like. Where does any of that give anyone the right to make a mountain out of a mole hill and make it into a Congressional inquiry????

GET A LIFE. Worry about your own backyard. Keep a roof over your head. Take care of your family. Be a father to your children. Be a good husband to your wife. Be a good son to your parents. Be someone that children want to be like because you are a positive role model. Be a productive member of your community.

Think about it. Doesn't that sound infinitely more productive and useful than making a big deal about what some old man said over 2 secs on the radio???

Stereotypes are killing society everyday, most of those players (if not all) are super scholars, great athletes, and great people. They did not deserve to be called out of their name.

True.

Oh, and for ALL the people who feel its okay to call some a derogatory name because SOMEONE ELSE (rappers, true racist, people in general) said it.....You are a follower of a sorry ass crowd of humans that will NEVER be leaders.....just think about it......

Again, true.

[Lucky DAWG]

i qouted you in my thread jaime
hope you don't mind

[Vteckidd]

Another Jesse jackson fact:

When the Duke Lacrosse players were ACCUSED of raping that stripper, Jackson went on national television claiming racism and a great injustice had been done. He offered a scholarship to the young lady for FREE because she had been raped.

Now, there was NO CREDIBLE evidence at the time to connect the DUKE players or the stripper. Yet he swore up and down they were guilty.

TODAY THEY WERE FOUND INNOCENT OF ALL CHARGES, AND NO EVIDENCE, INCLUDING DNA, CONNECTS THEM TO ANY FORM OF RAPE TO THAT WOMAN.

do i see an apolagie from Jesse Jackson? will he still give her that scholarship? im not holding my breath

[Professor X]

Another Jesse jackson fact:

When the Duke Lacrosse players were ACCUSED of raping that stripper, Jackson went on national television claiming racism and a great injustice had been done. He offered a scholarship to the young lady for FREE because she had been raped.

Now, there was NO CREDIBLE evidence at the time to connect the DUKE players or the stripper. Yet he swore up and down they were guilty.

TODAY THEY WERE FOUND INNOCENT OF ALL CHARGES, AND NO EVIDENCE, INCLUDING DNA, CONNECTS THEM TO ANY FORM OF RAPE TO THAT WOMAN.

do i see an apolagie from Jesse Jackson? will he still give her that scholarship? im not holding my breath

This is why it is so uncalled for to assume something without all of the facts. Now everyone who jumped down those guys throat looks dumb. Those guys definately deserve an apology. Race should never have even been brought up here. It was merely a coincidence that the girl was black. I am sick and tired of everytime a situation arising between people, race being the driving force. I will be the first to admit that I know several racist people and they are all BLACK! There I said it, there are racist black people. If you judge someone or a group of people based on race; you're a racist. If you judge someone based on sex; you're a sexist. Both equally stupid. It does not matter whether you're black or white or asian or hispanic.

[AirMax95]

He tried to make a joke. It wasn't funny and it backfired. But I'm certain that the guy is not smart enough or David Duke enough to have gotten up the other morning and thought ahead as to what stupidity he was gonna spew out of his mouth.

So wrong, he just said something stupid in the spur of the moment.




Are you on crack?

They are both racists and bigots. They only fight when they can twist things around to be about what they're not. They are a sorry example of what "leaders" and "prominent figures" representing anyone should be. They are biased, they lie, they never admit their own faults, they proclaim to be preachers yet they advocate hate and separation, they show boat in front of cameras......should I go on?.....should I go and find a hundred examples of how they ONLY play the race card to their advantage???

If you look up to either one of those two clowns, you need better role models. Those two are the worst two you could have picked.





Sorry, BS again.

They may show boat in front of the camera with their rehearsed speeches and tired excuses, but they certainly do not shine any positive light on anything.

How come you are glossing over Tawana Brawley? What about Washington Heights? How about Katrina? How about the many people that have been killed when either of these two numbnuts decides to stir up the crowd into a feeding frenzy? How come all that is swept under the rug? Show me in any one of those instances where they made sure that "racism didn't go unheard". They called something racist that wasn't and never came back to appologize for screwing up even after it was proven beyond any doubt they were wrong. Some leaders.

Both of them are nothing more than common race pimps, period. They know nothing else, they contribute nothing else. They are the PT Barnum's of the Black community Circus.




Again, BS. They are professional inciter's of hate. They only use their clout to fan the flames of racism themselves. That is counter productive. They may show up to a soup kitchen to shake hands and kiss babies every blue moon, but they certainly don't roll up their sleeves and put their best foot forward to better their fellow man. They are like a pyromaniac. They start a fire and then get off watching it burn.



I'll say it again.....SO???? What exactly is all the hoopla about? People get called "ho's" every damn day. Why is some old has been man in front of a mic any different? Turn on the TV to VH1, MTV, or BET right now. I'm willing to be that if there any rap or hip hop videos on there is atleast one thing, if not 100, that could piss off someone somewhere if they really wanted to make a big deal about it. Turn on the radio, the same thing happens. Go to a movie, the same thing happens. Hell, drive down the road and you may even see a bumper sticker or T-shirt that says something you don't like. Where does any of that give anyone the right to make a mountain out of a mole hill and make it into a Congressional inquiry????

GET A LIFE. Worry about your own backyard. Keep a roof over your head. Take care of your family. Be a father to your children. Be a good husband to your wife. Be a good son to your parents. Be someone that children want to be like because you are a positive role model. Be a productive member of your community.

Think about it. Doesn't that sound infinitely more productive and useful than making a big deal about what some old man said over 2 secs on the radio???





True.



Again, true.

Tis why I do not like web debates, I would rather speak in person. You broke apart my whole point.

I will shorten and try again:

I do not care for Jesse or Al.

They pull the race card way more than need be while attempting to expose all RACIAL ACTIVITY. The good thing is that alot of real racial issues are brought to light, the SUPER NEGATIVE is that more of the real issues get labeled as racist and are not. They both have fought the good fight ALOT, sadly they have been sucked into mainstream and got very damn greedy.

I never said I looked up to them, my role models are not/never will be those two.

And the main point is that they offended a group of women who did nothing to them. They were publicly humiliated and put into a category that they did not belong in.

And yes all that you said about being a good father, etc. is true and more productive than the issues at hand.

I just feel that more women/people who respect themselves to a higher degree would stop letting people walk over them. He offended them, they are pissed, he was dealt with accordingly.......

And please keep the "are you on crack" comments

[AirMax95]

I FREAKING HATE RACE RELATED ARGUMENTS and ISSUES!!!!!

[Kamikaze]

I FREAKING HATE RACE RELATED ARGUMENTS and ISSUES!!!!!

Tell us how you really feel.







j/k I don't dislike these kinds of discussions because it gives you a chance to see how people really are.

[AirMax95]

Tell us how you really feel.







j/k I don't dislike these kinds of discussions because it gives you a chance to see how people really are.

lol.......

I understand you completely. I graduated from Georgia Southern., very mixed campus. While there, I was active on campus and we had forums of this nature, face to face. Some were productive, others were not. It is scary to see how people really are because some of my close friends said things that I NEVER knew they felt. Usually it was a blanket stereotype, grouping people as a whole.

This has made me respect some people on IA beacuse I feel everyone on this post who said something intelligent (opinion right or wrong) is learning something!

ok, yes I am a nerd

[Kamikaze]

lol.......

I understand you completely. I graduated from Georgia Southern., very mixed campus. While there, I was active on campus and we had forums of this nature, face to face. Some were productive, others were not. It is scary to see how people really are because some of my close friends said things that I NEVER knew they felt. Usually it was a blanket stereotype, grouping people as a whole.

This has made me respect some people on IA beacuse I feel everyone on this post who said something intelligent (opinion right or wrong) is learning something!

ok, yes I am a nerd

Hmmm... I wouldn't mind going to one of those forums. I think I would enjoy myself lol.