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[BanginJimmy]

This is a nearly impossible topic to draw any conclusions from because there simply is no way to prove either side.

Gun bans just create a black market and those willing to break the law arent going to hesitate to break it again buy purchasing an illegal gun.

Mike has a great point about the guns being registered when they purchase it from an FFL.

I have no problems requiring all guns be transferred by an FFL and have the paper trail that make guns traceable to their current owner. The problem is, there are 500 million guns currently in circulation in this country and many millions of them are not currently owned by the original purchaser. That means there are over 500 million guns that would have to be exempted from this law.


Mike, you work or worked at AA right? How are the forms filed and how long does the store need to keep them?

[Echonova]

This is a nearly impossible topic to draw any conclusions from because there simply is no way to prove either side.

Gun bans just create a black market and those willing to break the law arent going to hesitate to break it again buy purchasing an illegal gun.

Mike has a great point about the guns being registered when they purchase it from an FFL.

I have no problems requiring all guns be transferred by an FFL and have the paper trail that make guns traceable to their current owner. The problem is, there are 500 million guns currently in circulation in this country and many millions of them are not currently owned by the original purchaser. That means there are over 500 million guns that would have to be exempted from this law.


Mike, you work or worked at AA right? How are the forms filed and how long does the store need to keep them?

I'm not sure what you are saying... You mean to tell me that laws only affect the people willing to obey them???



Preposterous.

[Sinfix_15]

This is a nearly impossible topic to draw any conclusions from because there simply is no way to prove either side.

Gun bans just create a black market and those willing to break the law arent going to hesitate to break it again buy purchasing an illegal gun.

Mike has a great point about the guns being registered when they purchase it from an FFL.

I have no problems requiring all guns be transferred by an FFL and have the paper trail that make guns traceable to their current owner. The problem is, there are 500 million guns currently in circulation in this country and many millions of them are not currently owned by the original purchaser. That means there are over 500 million guns that would have to be exempted from this law.


Mike, you work or worked at AA right? How are the forms filed and how long does the store need to keep them?

and when something you own becomes prohibited?

you gonna be 1st in line to turn it in?

[BanginJimmy]

and when something you own becomes prohibited?

you gonna be 1st in line to turn it in?

Precedent for this to happen in federal law?



If you have ever purchased a gun from an FFL, it is registered to the same level I could advocate for. Impossible to enforce for any firearm purchased before the law goes into effect though.

[Sinfix_15]

Precedent for this to happen in federal law?



If you have ever purchased a gun from an FFL, it is registered to the same level I could advocate for. Impossible to enforce for any firearm purchased before the law goes into effect though.

impossible to enforce? explain.

[Vteckidd]

Mike, you work or worked at AA right? How are the forms filed and how long does the store need to keep them?

I used to run their Facebook and i knew the owners. I also used to do all their accounting/books. Without giving away too much information , Ill just say that the Feds know who are buying guns, more specifically the 4473s and who is filling them out. Even more specifically its the ATF.

We would be routinely audited and it would go back IIRC 5-7 years in some cases. The auditors could ask for a specific gun sold from X years ago and ask to see the receipt , the paperwork filled out, etc.

The BUSINESSES have to keep them on record for a long time (I think its 10 years) , the Feds cannot keep any list that im aware of.

So if it came down to it, if they passed a law tomorrow federally banning all AR15s and make it retroactive, AA could refuse to give up the records of people who purchased AR15s or have a mysterious "fire" and rid themselves of all their records to protect the citizens.

Thats why I think they should keep the record keeping at the state level, not federal. Let states police their own rules