Florida drug tests for welfare law is struck down

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GA was apparently waiting on the outcome of this case to implement a simar program.

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These judges seem to disagree with you.

His decision was based on the fact of "concrete danger" and its follow up of drug use. He is coming in direction of future use. He doesnt consider that people who are impoverished that they are currently on the system and is currently using.

I am ok with helping others in need but not individuals who want taxpayer money to subsidize illegal behavior.

GA was apparently waiting on the outcome of this case to implement a simar program.

Not sure where your getting your info, but Georgia already has a law that requires drug testing for certain welfare recipients

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His decision was based on the fact of "concrete danger" and its follow up of drug use. He is coming in direction of future use. He doesnt consider that people who are impoverished that they are currently on the system and is currently using.

Why does that matter?

I am ok with helping others in need but not individuals who want taxpayer money to subsidize illegal behavior.

So, throw tons more taxpayer money at a problem that virtually doesn't exist?

Not sure where your getting your info, but Georgia already has a law that requires drug testing for certain welfare recipients

"Florida passed the measure in 2011, and the case was being closely watched by several other states, including Georgia, which passed similar legislation in 2013 but found it dogged by legal challenges."

"In Georgia, the law’s rollout was delayed pending the outcome of the Florida legal challenge."

This was taken directly from the article that was posted.

[Vteckidd]

So, throw tons more taxpayer money at a problem that virtually doesn't exist?

who said it DOESNT exist? I think thats being just as disingenuous as the people claiming all welfare recipients are drug addicted losers.

I will bet you any amount of money there are people on welfare that use it as a means to support their lifestyle. Its free money to them.

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who said it DOESNT exist?

Florida. Also pulled from the article...

"State data in Florida also showed that the measure produced few results. Only 108 out of 4,086 people tested — 2.6 percent — were found to have been using narcotics. State records showed that the requirement cost more money to carry out than it saved."

Of that 2.6 percent, how many of those do you think had a chronic habit, and not just recreational users?

[Vteckidd]

Florida. Also pulled from the article...

"State data in Florida also showed that the measure produced few results. Only 108 out of 4,086 people tested — 2.6 percent — were found to have been using narcotics. State records showed that the requirement cost more money to carry out than it saved."

Of that 2.6 percent, how many of those do you think had a chronic habit, and not just recreational users?

Testing methods? What drugs were used? hair samples? I mean, results are skewed either way you try to figure this out. Theres no real way to do it which is why I dont support it at all, that and the intrusion by the govt to dictate how you spend your money.

I heard some of the DATA was robocalls asking people "DO YOU USE DRUGS"

Im sure its higher than the test, but not as high as others make it seem. Saying it virtually doesnt exist, I think is a stretch. 2.6% is a lot more than i would have thought. 5% is more likely, 10% is not without question. Im sure the real number is between that.

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They have to notify you before they administer the test. Which is about as fool proof as a piss test before you get employed. They sell stuff over the counter to pass.

now that doesnt mean people are accused of widespread gaming the system, but to say it "vurtually doesnt exist" is a mis-nomer.

[Vteckidd]

Georgia passed HB 861 requiring drug tests for all individuals applying for Temporary Assistance for Needy Families benefits. Applicants must be notified of the drug testing requirement at the time of application, and are required to pay for the test. If an applicant tests positive the person is ineligible for benefits for one month and until he or she tests negative. A parent's positive test result does not affect the child's eligibility for benefits; however, any benefits received must be disbursed through a protective payee who must also pass a drug test. Governor Deal signed the bill on April 16, 2012 and goes into effect July 1, 2012.

GA was apparently waiting on the outcome of this case to implement a simar program.

[geoff]

Georgia passed HB 861 requiring drug tests for all individuals applying for Temporary Assistance for Needy Families benefits. Applicants must be notified of the drug testing requirement at the time of application, and are required to pay for the test. If an applicant tests positive the person is ineligible for benefits for one month and until he or she tests negative. A parent's positive test result does not affect the child's eligibility for benefits; however, any benefits received must be disbursed through a protective payee who must also pass a drug test. Governor Deal signed the bill on April 16, 2012 and goes into effect July 1, 2012.

Blank wont accept that as evidence that Ga requires drug testing for welfare benefits...after all...it was not in the article he posted

[Vteckidd]

Blank wont accept that as evidence that Ga requires drug testing for welfare benefits...after all...it was not in the article he posted

Im not sure if that law was struck down, it could have been. This is all i found

Drug Testing of Welfare Applicants May be Over Before it Begins in Georgia | Georgia Budget and Policy Institute

What he probably MEANT to say was that Georgia was waiting on the outcome of this case before it decided to challenge this on its own.

Florida had won, Georgia would have had precedent to challenge the Feds on the constitutionality of this law

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Blank wont accept that as evidence that Ga requires drug testing for welfare benefits...after all...it was not in the article he posted

It hasn't been struck down yet. I never claimed it was. It's rollout has been delayed and it will be legally challenged, like it has in about every other state it's been tried in.

Fate of Georgia's welfare drug testing law unknown - CBS Atlanta News

Now that it's been struck down in FL, it will be a matter of time before it happens here.

Solid effort though, Geoff. Maybe you'll get me next time.