At that point it will be cheaper to be on the NHS, so they'll simply be priced out, unless they're catering to wealthier patients who want more personal care or something. I'm sure a market would open up for something like that.
That's a lie. I totally support a free market solution for police, fire, and military.
Seriously though. I support private industry for things that are controlled by typical market forces. Healthcare isn't one of them though.
In the world Obama is creating, "wealthier patients" will be anyone with a job.
Here we go again with this nonsense...... the "all or nothing" attitude towards social programs.
Anything we share makes sense. I get use out of the fire department, police and military......
section 8 housing, food stamps and welfare is no benefit to me.
Do you get no use out of healthcare? If such a system came up where healthcare was treated like the fire department or the police or military, it was cheaper, and the same care you get now, you wouldn't take advantage of it, simply because of your ideological aversion to "big government"?
Heh
This is a broken-window fallacy. You do get a benefit from it.section 8 housing, food stamps and welfare is no benefit to me.
I get no benefit from you having health insurance. I can afford my own healthcare...... one way or another, if i didnt have insurance, i can afford to pay cash. So no, no benefit to me that you have health insurance, none at all. ACA does nothing other than reduce my quality of care and increase my cost because i'm paying for someone else to have healthcare. My current insurance is worthless......... my deductible is so high that i'm going to be paying cash anyways.
Section 8 is also no benefit to me....... i'd love to see you explain to me how it is.
Off topic
What is public assistance?
Assistance for the public, probably.
Couldn't think of a simpler answer
This Robin Hood government is not what i would call public assistance. Theyre taking money from one person and giving it to another. I call it stealing.... or extortion maybe.
It's not assisting anyone to make it so theyre incapable of taking care of themselves and dependent on government.
Tell me how section 8 specifically benefits me. Give me your justification of this program.
You can call it whatever you want to call it. But the truth is, the people who use it have also paid into it all their lives. So I guess you could also say they're taking it from themselves?
That is, unless, you just want to look at it through your own narrow worldview.
But that's not what it is, so....It's not assisting anyone to make it so theyre incapable of taking care of themselves and dependent on government.
I can't tell you my justification for it because it's not my program and I didn't design it, but I can give you the insight of the economists and the people who set it up, and you can compare it with your own thoughts of the system if you'd like.Tell me how section 8 specifically benefits me. Give me your justification of this program.
Those people who paid into it their entire lives should not have been forced to pay into their entire lives and should have that money they paid into it to invest how they please, the same as me.
It's not the government's job to supply people with equal things, only equal opportunity.
I really is admirable how much liberals want to give in charity to their fellow man...........................
now if we could ever get them to start doing it with their own money.....
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That's it? "Sorry"?
"Insurance companies appear to be [cancelling policies] for a variety of reasons; some are pulling all their plans from certain states where they have fewer subscribers in order to save money."
And...
4 Debunking Obamacare myths: Both sides get it wrong - CNN.com
CNN can be trusted to offer an unbiased look at Obamacare.
Just for curiosity, any of those companies who cancelled policies for a variety of reasons, are any of the reasons because the Affordable Care Act made healthcare more affordable and that they simply did not like paying more affordable prices?
Did anyone cite more affordable prices as their reason for canceling insurance?
Have any of your insurance policies changes from Obamacare? Anyone in here?
As I've said before (although it might have been a different thread), my insurance changed within days of Obamacare being signed into law. Deductible went up to $10,000, so effectively my family has been without insurance for 3 years. I worked out a deal with my doctor to just pay cash and not worry about even trying to file claims. Unless there is a catastrophic illness/injury it's not even worth it.
I am covered under a union contract for this year, but we renegotiate next March. I am predicting that next year, when the employer mandate kicks in, I will see my rates rise in excess of 15% by a combination of higher costs to my employer and my employer taking on a smaller percentage of the bill. They currently pay 87%.
Im going to have to see more proof that Obama actually said he was sorry. Your sources are questionable.
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To me its not more a debate, he lied, the internal memos show exactly what smart people like me and David, and Jimmy, and Sin have been saying on this site for 3 years. I wish I could go pull up the old HC debate threads just to pat myself on the back.
EVERYONE with any business experience said this would happen, the whole "if you like your plan you can keep it" was such bullshit because they knew that the goal was to get people into the exchange. They were forcing insurance companies to cover things they werent covering before, and mandated minimum coverage which raises costs, and the companies were going to pass that along.
Its all happeneing, exactly as we predicted. Blank and others still drinking the kool aid
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