Government shutdown.

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What do you mean blind ideology? Lol. You're telling me these parks are unmanned because you went there one time, the National Park Service Director says 200 THOUSAND people work within the park system. That's the stark opposite of what you said. Lol. All I have admitted is that I don't know why they barricaded parks, and I don't care why, and that the guy in charge of it said this is why. So what am I supposed to believe? Your gut feeling and your "eyeballs"? Or the guy that's in charge of the entire national park system? I'm all ears. Because the way you tell it, it's your eyeballs I should believe and anyone who disagrees is blind.

Your two-party paradigm is laughable.

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Its kind of sad. The lengths youll go to defend the party are funny.

Ill close with this, usually, when funds are scarce, you dont deploy MORE resources , you deploy LESS. The WW2 Memorial spent more money barricading than it did, NOT barricading. Thats just fact. If you are going to argue that they had to barricade because security was furloughed, then why didnt THEY state that? They didnt. They said they were told to make it as difficult as possible for tourists, and the National Parks director said this was his reasoning (WITH THE WH BLESSING) in a post 9-11 world to keep the parks safe.

WHAT?

theres NO way you can make an argument for what they did. IT was purely political. Anyone that doesnt see that is just sticking their head in the sand

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sheep following sheep

Its kind of sad. The lengths youll go to defend the party are funny.

Ill close with this, usually, when funds are scarce, you dont deploy MORE resources , you deploy LESS. The WW2 Memorial spent more money barricading than it did, NOT barricading. Thats just fact. If you are going to argue that they had to barricade because security was furloughed, then why didnt THEY state that? They didnt. They said they were told to make it as difficult as possible for tourists, and the National Parks director said this was his reasoning (WITH THE WH BLESSING) in a post 9-11 world to keep the parks safe.

WHAT?

theres NO way you can make an argument for what they did. IT was purely political. Anyone that doesnt see that is just sticking their head in the sand

For blank to stick his head in the sand, he would first have to pull it out of Obama's ass.

You're right though, the levels he is going to to continue supporting this is mind boggling.

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sheep following sheep

Its kind of sad. The lengths youll go to defend the party are funny.

Ill close with this, usually, when funds are scarce, you dont deploy MORE resources , you deploy LESS. The WW2 Memorial spent more money barricading than it did, NOT barricading. Thats just fact. If you are going to argue that they had to barricade because security was furloughed, then why didnt THEY state that? They didnt. They said they were told to make it as difficult as possible for tourists, and the National Parks director said this was his reasoning (WITH THE WH BLESSING) in a post 9-11 world to keep the parks safe.

WHAT?

theres NO way you can make an argument for what they did. IT was purely political. Anyone that doesnt see that is just sticking their head in the sand

Not really defending anything at all. All I said was the park director listed reasons why parks were closed. And you're telling me I'm blind and "defending my party" for listing those reasons. Also, you claimed its more expensive to barricade the park than to leave it open, without listing any dollar figures at all. Then you said anyone who disagrees with your guy feeling is a blind democrat shill sticking their head in the sand. Your signature says you are a data resources project manager, you should be highly skilled at providing just that single piece of data. 200k employees were laid off, so there MUST BE something somewhere that says the amount of security they hired is equal to--or greater than--the salary of the 200k employees furloughed for that stretch of time.

So all you have to do is find the data for that one claim and it will be a fact. And I'll believe you.

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Not really defending anything at all. All I said was the park director listed reasons why parks were closed. And you're telling me I'm blind and "defending my party" for listing those reasons. Also, you claimed its more expensive to barricade the park than to leave it open, without listing any dollar figures at all. Then you said anyone who disagrees with your guy feeling is a blind democrat shill sticking their head in the sand. Your signature says you are a data resources project manager, you should be highly skilled at providing just that single piece of data. 200k employees were laid off, so there MUST BE something somewhere that says the amount of security they hired is equal to--or greater than--the salary of the 200k employees furloughed for that stretch of time.

So all you have to do is find the data for that one claim and it will be a fact. And I'll believe you.

5 Years of working for GOVT contracting, 30+ year military BRAT, running several businesses, and knowing personally people who are laid off who work for the IRS.

I also know simple business practices. IT costs more money to send people to barricade a monument, than it does to leave it open.

Youre arguing that is costs more in gas to leave your car parked in a garage and not running than it does to drive it around 15 hours a day. Its really funny.

I suspect you will get some answers wednesday during the hearing. But you wont like them and will dismiss them.

Then theres the fact that the national parks director had no answers for why it was being done despite not being done in previous shutdowns. Then theres the fact that they agreed to back pay furloughed workers yet wouldnt let the parks be open?

Like i said i understand the lincoln memorial, its a building. Or the IRS HQ, lock the doors.

THESE ARE OPEN AIR open to the public monuments unguarded. you cant argue it didnt cost them money and resources to shut them. The ONLY reason to deduce is they did it intentionally for a motive. The most likely being to show the public what happens when the govt is "shutdown". Previous shutdowns showed this wasnt needed.

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5 Years of working for GOVT contracting, 30+ year military BRAT, running several businesses, and knowing personally people who are laid off who work for the IRS.

I also know simple business practices. IT costs more money to send people to barricade a monument, than it does to leave it open.

Youre arguing that is costs more in gas to leave your car parked in a garage and not running than it does to drive it around 15 hours a day. Its really funny.

I suspect you will get some answers wednesday during the hearing. But you wont like them and will dismiss them.

Ok. If you know simple business practices, then why can't you just show the cost of leaving the park open vs. closing it and hiring security. If it costs more, then you're right. I don't go on gut feelings and blindly follow what people say. Show me the numbers. It's that simple. You shouldn't need anecdotal evidence and appeal to authority to try and prove your claim. There should be an actual number somewhere.

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Ok. If you know simple business practices, then why can't you just show the cost of leaving the park open vs. closing it and hiring security. If it costs more, then you're right. I don't go on gut feelings and blindly follow what people say. Show me the numbers. It's that simple.

“There were the same number of park police along the National Mall when it was open last week as there are now when it is closed,” Hastings wrote. “In fact, on Tuesday, when barricades were first erected and areas closed down, there were even more police than on a typical day when it is open. It is further proof that these closures have nothing to do with the shutdown are simply about the Obama administration playing politics.”

Hastings added that some open-air sites can be unstaffed for up to 10 hours a day.

“Congressman Hastings is incorrect in that regard,” director Jarvis fired back on C-SPAN this morning. “We run a 24-hour-a-day, seven-day-a-week, 365-day-a-year operation on the National Mall. Under normal circumstances, I would have 300 employees working on the National Mall and I currently have seven.”

That there are the same number of U.S. Park Police on the National Mall now as before the shutdown began is true, according to the U.S. Park Police officers’ union. At any given time, there are two police officers on duty at each of the big three tourist sites on the National Mall: the Lincoln Memorial, the Jefferson Memorial and the Washington Monument. They are joined by a smattering of roaming officers among the less-popular sites and smaller parks.

While those officers have been deemed essential for security reasons by the park police and remained on duty through the shutdown, their numbers saw a temporary boost Tuesday as the barricades were erected, according to the union.

Youll get MORE answers wed im sure, but like i said, it wont be what you want.

But, it doesnt take documents to tell you there were more police there during the shutdown, than there was before the shutdown. It doesnt take a genius to comprehend that it costs money to barricade a park, when its normally not barricaded. I can count, and I have been to the memorial several times. there were more people there enforcing the closure than there was when its not being manned. How can you even dispute this? Are you this dense?

Just admit it, they went through great lengths to close a site they didnt need to. They even admit the security was deemed essential and was not furloughed.

Do you think its cheaper to fence your house or leave it unfenced?

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Youll get MORE answers wed im sure, but like i said, it wont be what you want.

But, it doesnt take documents to tell you there were more police there during the shutdown, than there was before the shutdown. It doesnt take a genius to comprehend that it costs money to barricade a park, when its normally not barricaded. I can count, and I have been to the memorial several times. there were more people there enforcing the closure than there was when its not being manned. How can you even dispute this? Are you this dense?

Just admit it, they went through great lengths to close a site they didnt need to. They even admit the security was deemed essential and was not furloughed.

Do you think its cheaper to fence your house or leave it unfenced?

All I know is that the park director is saying one thing about the parks he directs, and you, the guy who isn't a park director is saying something else. You're also saying if I don't believe you, then I'm dense/democrat/blind/sheep. Etc. etc.

So I'm not taking any position at all, and I ask again, should I believe your gut feeling, or should I believe this park director who is directly involved in This whole thing and be a dense blind democrat sheep shill?