Labor Endgame

[David88vert]

Food, water and shelter was provided..... just sayin....

But they had to work for it. Disallowed for this discussion.

[bu villain]

Asks yes or no question.......says its not a yes or no question.

Is work good in and of itself or is it just a necessity with no moral implication?

It is not a yes/no question. Perhaps you are confused on what the question is. Please read again and answer. Notice the "OR" in there.

Good and bad are subjective, they are not simple yes and no answers.

Exactly, that's why I want everyone's subjective opinion.

If you are a lazy person receiving benefits for free, you will think it is a good or great thing to not work.
If you are the one paying for others to not have to work, you probably won't think it is a good thing, as they are getting a free ride on your dime.
Perspective changes subjective opinions, and nothing in life is free. What one person gets for free, another has to pay for.

The whole purpose of my scenario is that everyone is getting a free ride on the basics. No one is paying for anyone else. Work is only required if you want more than the basics.

If your utopia only has food, water, and shelter provided, then prison is even better than utopia, as it gives you indoor plumbing and cable tv for free also.

Don't you think the inability to leave your very small room except when someone else allows you, lack of privacy, threat of rape/beating, and inability to spend much time with family/loved ones is a pretty big down side?

[Sinfix_15]

The whole purpose of my scenario is that everyone is getting a free ride on the basics. No one is paying for anyone else. Work is only required if you want more than the basics.

This is where your logic is flawed. *everyone* cant get a free ride on the basics..... everything the government gives to one person, they take from another. Could welfare exist if 99% of the US needed welfare?

[David88vert]

The whole purpose of my scenario is that everyone is getting a free ride on the basics. No one is paying for anyone else. Work is only required if you want more than the basics.
Don't you think the inability to leave your very small room except when someone else allows you, lack of privacy, threat of rape/beating, and inability to spend much time with family/loved ones is a pretty big down side?

Since "THIS IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A REAL LIFE SCENARIO, IT IS FOR PHILOSOPHIC PURPOSES ONLY." then perhaps you can pretend that prison isn't a "pretty big down side" for those that choose not to work. It's as reasonable and rational as your "get everything for free, and not have to work" scenario. If you can't understand that everything is a transaction, then you already are starting with a handicap.

The reality is that you want to us to consider an illogical scenario and then discuss it with logic and reason. Perhaps if you started with a scenario that fit into a logical mold this could be accomplished - until then, it's all just pipe dreams and an unproductive discussion.

[bu villain]

Since "THIS IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A REAL LIFE SCENARIO, IT IS FOR PHILOSOPHIC PURPOSES ONLY." then perhaps you can pretend that prison isn't a "pretty big down side" for those that choose not to work. It's as reasonable and rational as your "get everything for free, and not have to work" scenario. If you can't understand that everything is a transaction, then you already are starting with a handicap.

Sure I could pretend that, and I will if you want to start a thread with such a condition. But this is my thread so I am setting the parameters. If you aren't interested in discussing within the provided boundaries, that's fine. You don't have to respond. Like I said to Vteck, I don't see how the lack of reason and rationality prevents us from having a conversation about what to do with a third arm. I don't see why reason and rationality are any more prerequisite for my questions.

The reality is that you want to us to consider an illogical scenario and then discuss it with logic and reason.

Yes that's right!

Perhaps if you started with a scenario that fit into a logical mold this could be accomplished - until then, it's all just pipe dreams and an unproductive discussion.

If logical discussion within illogical boundaries could not be accomplished, we wouldn't have myths, fantasy, science fiction, or a large portion of our popular culture.

[David88vert]

Sure I could pretend that, and I will if you want to start a thread with such a condition. But this is my thread so I am setting the parameters. If you aren't interested in discussing within the provided boundaries, that's fine. You don't have to respond. Like I said to Vteck, I don't see how the lack of reason and rationality prevents us from having a conversation about what to do with a third arm. I don't see why reason and rationality are any more prerequisite for my questions.



Yes that's right!



If logical discussion within illogical boundaries could not be accomplished, we wouldn't have myths, fantasy, science fiction, or a large portion of our popular culture.

Ok, so here is your illogical and irrational answer.

Half will still work to improve their lives. Half will be lazy.

How did I come up with that? With no logic or reason - just made it up. That's what you want though, right?