Union pulls support for Obamacare, a sign of things to come?

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You're a liberal in your political positioning on the issues. We've seen that. You can deny it, but it's clear to everyone else. That's your prerogative though, and fine with me, just as its fine with me that Sinfix is conservative.

Some. Conservative on others. Haven't made voiced many positions of mine, and you havent really demonstrated your knowledge of what "conservative" and what "liberal" is, so its tough for you to accurately make that call. Sinfix is not a conservative, he only echo's the opinion of the things he sees in the media that fit his preconceived notions. He rarely reports an opinion of his own, and when he does, its often very libertarian. Your idea of a left-right paradigm does not exist in reality.

Like I said, name a think tank that is better qualified and that you would listen to the results from. Don't try to get out if it by saying "I don't care", as you clearly do care when you won't trust the top think tank in Canada, who actually publishes the data and the methodology utilized.

Not trying to get out of anything. I don't care where the truth comes from as long as its the truth and not someone's version of it. I don't care if the Koch brothers donated a dollar or a billion. If their numbers are accurate, then somewhere else there are another set of accurate numbers.

[Vteckidd]

Some. Conservative on others. Haven't made voiced many positions of mine, and you havent really demonstrated your knowledge of what "conservative" and what "liberal" is, so its tough for you to accurately make that call. Sinfix is not a conservative, he only echo's the opinion of the things he sees in the media that fit his preconceived notions. He rarely reports an opinion of his own, and when he does, its often very libertarian. Your idea of a left-right paradigm does not exist in reality.

Not trying to get out of anything. I don't care where the truth comes from as long as its the truth and not someone's version of it. I don't care if the Koch brothers donated a dollar or a billion. If their numbers are accurate, then somewhere else there are another set of accurate numbers.

Someone as deep into the Obama regime and their thinking, you are also equally not qualified to distinguish right from left.

I am probably the most middle in this forum(as evidence by my stance on gay marriage and gun control where i differ from the GOP), then David, you and Sinfix are polar opposites. Hes very very rightwing/Libertarian (libertarian has roots in extreme right wing ) and you are very progressive and left.

[David88vert]

Someone as deep into the Obama regime and their thinking, you are also equally not qualified to distinguish right from left.

I am probably the most middle in this forum(as evidence by my stance on gay marriage and gun control where i differ from the GOP), then David, you and Sinfix are polar opposites. Hes very very rightwing/Libertarian (libertarian has roots in extreme right wing ) and you are very progressive and left.

But where do you stand on "shotgun weddings" of gay couples?

[Vteckidd]

But where do you stand on "shotgun weddings" of gay couples?

You love who you love.............................................. .......git him dun

[David88vert]

I see what you quoted. Once again, I haven't even attempted to dismiss the report yet. Next.

When I mentioned Koch Industries, you didn't say that was all that you needed to see?

What does me being more or less wise have to do with anything? Another ad hominem and an appeal to authority. Fallacy after fallacy.

You have referred to education and intellect many times. Now, when I show you a group of people who all have a lot more education and have been recognized globally for their intellect, suddenly that no longer matters, as they do not come to the same conclusions as you do, even though they have all of the data, and you do not.

Haven't tried to refute them at all. You don't know what refuting means. Haven't interjected my beliefs at all either. Dont even watch TV. Next.

No, you don't refute, you just dismiss based on two words - Koch Industries.
You certainly couldn't dismiss it on facts, so what else is there that you could base your dismissal on besides your own personal opinion/belief?

I call out "left wing media" when it missteps. Trust me. Doesn't seem to be a big factor here in this echo chamber though.

Where was this "calling out the left wing media"? I must have missed that one.
Trust you? Why?

Some. Conservative on others. Haven't made voiced many positions of mine, and you havent really demonstrated your knowledge of what "conservative" and what "liberal" is, so its tough for you to accurately make that call. Sinfix is not a conservative, he only echo's the opinion of the things he sees in the media that fit his preconceived notions. He rarely reports an opinion of his own, and when he does, its often very libertarian. Your idea of a left-right paradigm does not exist in reality.

So, you are determining what is difficult for me now? Let me make this clear to you. We have seen your positions on political discussions, the point that you attempt to argue, your pseudo-intellect, and your attempts to be arrogant. In reality, you do not know what I believe, nor anyone else. You can "trust me" on that.

Not trying to get out of anything. I don't care where the truth comes from as long as its the truth and not someone's version of it. I don't care if the Koch brothers donated a dollar or a billion. If their numbers are accurate, then somewhere else there are another set of accurate numbers.

Are you really this dumb? And you think that you are educated and intelligent? The data came from outside the Fraser Institute - directly from the Canadian government. The methodology was clearly defined and followed to reach a logical and rational conclusion by educated authors. It was reviewed by highly regarded professors, and published globally. Where is this other "set of accurate numbers" that you speak of supposed to come from?
And - where is the answer to the question that I asked you - what think tank will you recognize? Quit ducking the original question - if you don't have an answer, just concede that this time, you have no choice but to accept that the Fraser Institute's assessment is the best current published conclusion.