Didnt ignore anything. Just pointing out that the highlighted part was all I needed to know.Originally Posted by David88vert
Did you notice where you going in a circle?
Didnt ignore anything. Just pointing out that the highlighted part was all I needed to know.
Did you notice where you going in a circle?
I wasn't going in a circle. I gave you your requested information and some relevant observations. I then posed a question, which you ignored answering.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
A question I already answered.
I don't believe that I asked that question to you before. Additionally, you said you were confused, perhaps your opinion could have changed with your confusion?
Here's a different question though that I know you haven't answered before.
Look at the video of Obama's news conference from today. Look at Biden in the background. Doesn't he look just like Jeff Dunham's character, Walter?
Someone asks why we need gun control.
I can see Biden saying it now - "Shut the hell up!", then wait a second, "Dumbass."
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
I cannot stop laughing.....I don't believe that I asked that question to you before. Additionally, you said you were confused, perhaps your opinion could have changed with your confusion?
Here's a different question though that I know you haven't answered before.
Look at the video of Obama's news conference from today. Look at Biden in the background. Doesn't he look just like Jeff Dunham's character, Walter?
Someone asks why we need gun control.
I can see Biden saying it now - "Shut the hell up!", then wait a second, "Dumbass."
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I love Walter. He is who I hope to be at his age.
Another question. Who is that big SOB behind Obama? I dont think I wanna mess with him. He looks violent.
You want to be a puppet with some guys hand up your rear end, and with someone else talking for you?
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
They called for blackup to help show how angry they were, as if Biden's over exaggerated facial expressions didnt do the trick.
Good.
I agree...... let the tyrants reveal themselves to the world.
I wonder ... which Watertown residents feel safer right now.....
the ones that have legal assault style weapons, or the ones without ....
considering that a bomber with a gun could try to enter any house around there right now ....
and considering that they aren't allowed to leave the area right now, and are possibly on lockdown with the madman....
Even with 9,000 officers in the Watertown area, the residents still are the line of defense for their own families. I hope that all of the residents are prepared to defend themselves, and I hope that it does not come to that.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
I think it's also fair to say that in the event of a break in, an assault style weapon probably wouldn't be the first, or even best choice of defense in this case.
If you told me a bomb carrying terrorist is running on the loose in my neighborhood, im probably gonna have my AR15 within reach.
Feinstein has shotguns that hold more than 5 shells listed as assault weapons. A shotgun is generally the best choice for home defense, per Biden. Are you suggesting that the less shells that you have, and the slower that they are to reload, the safe you are? If so, why does LEOs all pack rapid load weapons, and more than 5 shells?
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
Maybe. Everyone might not have it in reach, could be taken apart in a safe.
But if your AR and a 45 caliber pistol is in front of you, what do you think would be more effective?
Do you think I could just as effectively mitigate a situation like this with only the .45?
Theoretical scenario...........
I look out my window to see a armed man who fits the description of a terrorist attempting to break into my shed.....
i can either....
A: Open my back door, potentially alarming the suspect who may fire on me, and then attempt to return fire with a pistol that is accurate at about 10 yards.
B: crack open the kitchen window and put 2 shots in his kneecaps with surgical precision.
Theoretical ending - you go to jail for shooting him outside your house.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
He pointed his gun at me.
I could do B with a .22 and a decent scope.
And, yes, assuming that breaking into your shed while you're in the house is a threat to your life I guess.
No you couldn't, your assuming the .22lr would penetrate heavy clothing. In may or may not.
Try not. Do or Do not.
He pointed a gun at me and screamed " death to america ", pretty sure the cops would believe my story.
I'm gonna need some solid evidence that it won't. I've seen it penetrate Kevlar shot through a rifle barrel (dunno if you assumed this or not since I mentioned a scope, and Sinfix said out of a window), so I'm gonna guess that denim shouldn't be an issue.
Path of the bullet shows it entered in the back of the knee
That'd be jail time.
22lr has been know not to penetrate a leather jacket. Actually if you do an open records report in the city of Atlanta for a certain criminal case my real name shows up as the attending Paramedic. 19y/o male shot in the forehead with a 22lr pistol. No outward signs of trauma other than a bruise in the middle of his forehead. Perp was apprehended 30 mins later with the pistol. 22lr is notorious for being a non-penetrating round. For oy to say any different proves your ignorance of firearms and their components. Which makes your a prime candidate to legislate against them, Congrats!
Try not. Do or Do not.
Your guy was using the wrong .22LR rounds then.
He probably had a cheap 40 gr round, only does around 1,000 ft/sec.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
I said .22lr didn't I?
Oh that's right. I didnt.
I said a pistol too, right?
...no?
Please. Continue to poke holes in my "leather jacket argument" with your ".22lr rebuttles." LOL
Well considering that there are only a couple different .22 caliber rounds and the most prevalent is .22lr I thought that would be the easiest to talk about. I used a pistol as a direct reference because that is what my case involved. So before you puff out your chest and walk around victorious I used the most common .22 caliber round and a case I had personal experience with. I was trying to avoid you calling something a "straw man" argument. However I guess arguments or examples that don't line up with your view is either straw man or not what you ment , huh imagine that.
Try not. Do or Do not.
A 40 gr solid is reasonably common, so is a 30, 31, and 32 gr copper .22 LR. The lower grains have a LOT more velocity, up to about 1,700 ft/sec. That's a big difference, and you probably won't see many 40 gr .22 LR as most knowledgeable people will go for the higher velocity.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
Don't get me wrong I own several .22 caliber firearms, and love them. I however have seen and had experience with them not penetrating and lacking knock down. I would hesitate to rely on one to protect my life or my family. And when they are shot from a pistol they are horrible about penetration. And by rounds I was ref 22lr, 22mag, 22sr.
Try not. Do or Do not.
.22 LR is available in the sizes that I mentioned. I was not referring to short or magnum rounds. It is quite possible that you got a low velocity 40 gr, or that you had a deflected round that had lost velocity.
A .22 projectile is just the mass, in order to calculate the force, you have to have the velocity. There are a lot of factors that come into play, muzzle velocity is just one of them. If a hollow point 32 gr .22 LR is shot directly at a person's head, within 100 yards, it is almost a certainty that it will pierce it.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
Yes. My view is that there are different types of .22 rounds, and multiple weapons to fire them from. The discussion was about shooting an AR out of a window, I said it could be done with a .22, You interjected that it wasn't possible, and used different circumstances to support your claim. You tried to make me look like I didn't know what I was talking about by changing the variables, and you failed. Lol
Imagine that shit.
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