I'm very much on topic.Originally Posted by David88vert
No matter how much I bleach my skin, I'm still black
No matter how much I sleep with girls, I'm still gay
Is that what you're getting at?
I'm very much on topic.
No matter how much I bleach my skin, I'm still black
No matter how much I sleep with girls, I'm still gay
Is that what you're getting at?
Pedophilia is not a crime. It is not a sexual orientation. I'll move on to the illegal act of molestation and rape and why it's totally different in a minute.
I did not say that. You don't seem to have all of your brain cells working.
No matter what your sexual orientation is, that doesn't matter. Your actions are behaviors that you choose to act upon consciously. Actions have repercussions.
You cannot legally marry a same-sex partner, and you knew that when you chose to enter a relationship with that individual. That is the current state of the law, and if you want that to change, it should be done correctly - which is changing the law at the state level.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
And how do we define who is and isnt gay? a telephone survey? Your race can be identified with your DNA... am i missing something or did we actually discover the "gay gene" now? By the testimony of pedophiles themselves, they too would proclaim that had no choice in the matter.
So David, you believe being gay is defined solely by behavior? That seems like a very narrow definition. Wouldn't you agree that heterosexuality is not defined simply by behavior. Specifically, would you say someone only becomes heterosexual by having a sexual encounter with someone of the opposite sex and until then, their sexuality is undefined.
To the larger issue. The main reason for marriage being a legal contract with benefits is that marriage seems to act as a stabilizing factor for society. That includes family raising, increased financial security, decreased incarceration rates, etc. All of which can apply to gay marriages. Even many conservatives are starting to understand this.
I have made my statements very clear. You just choose to ignore the truth.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
As a single male with no incarceration rate, why do married couples deserve more financial security than me?
Oh they're working just fine.
Hmmm. So I should expect to be discriminated based on something I don't have control over? Kinda like what happened before the 60s?No matter what your sexual orientation is, that doesn't matter. Your actions are behaviors that you choose to act upon consciously. Actions have repercussions.
Guess all those black people shoulda thought about that before going and passing the Civil rights act huh? LolYou cannot legally marry a same-sex partner, and you knew that when you chose to enter a relationship with that individual. That is the current state of the law, and if you want that to change, it should be done correctly - which is changing the law at the state level.
To sinflix, I don't see why it even matters whether being gay is a choice or not. The goal is to produce a more stable society and marriage facilitates that regardless of what your sexual orientation is or what you say it is. Pedophilia is a different topic because children do not have the ability to consent to such a contract. It has nothing to do with whether pedophilia is a choice or not by the adult.
David understands it, but for the wrong, kinda dangerous reasons...
The financial security I alluded to is not a benefit bestowed upon married couples by the government. It is a side-effect of marriage itself and would exist whether there were marriage tax breaks or not. The tax breaks are simply an additional incentive for people to marry.
So homosexuals couples are creating a more stable society and deserve financial benefits for doing so?
Call me crazy..... i cant get this shoe to fit.
Sexual intercourse is the action/behavior - either hetro, or homo. There is no question - physical action is involved. There are plenty of people that are celibate - and would not be considered gay or straight.
We do not disagree that marriage is a stabilizer in society. My point is that it is a state issue, not a federal one. Voters in GA have made a choice to define marriage as between a man and woman only. "For better or worse", that is how it is here, at this current time. If GA voters want to reverse that, then they need to contact their representatives and senators here in GA and request that it be put on the ballot.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
Why not?
With divorce rates as high as they currently are, is it wise for our government to offer incentives for people to get married? shouldnt the love and devotion of a partner be incentive enough?
You are grasping at straws.
Skin color is not the same as sexual orientation.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
So only those gays in those certain states can not be discriminated against? Why should gay rights be a state issue and race rights be a federal issue?
Gay people are stabilizing society??
can you even say that with a straight face......
right now...... just say that out loud and be honest with me....
you dont start laughing?
How is it not? Thats what Ive been trying to get from you and you have yet to come to a conclusion.
Or at least yet to state one. But I know what it is.
No. How are they not? You have an example?
Tell me how they are?
Ok, you're crazy.
There is nothing wrong with giving equal federal tax breaks to couples who enter into contracts - whether is it a married couple, a civil union between two of the same-sex, or a business partnership. That is just a management decision being made by the government.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
States make their own laws.
Actions/behaviors are not immutable. Race is an immutable characteristic. Invest in a dictionary.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
David.
Accepted black people behavior/actions, up until June 1967, was to sleep with black people. This is what they were legally allowed to do. There were consequences otherwise.
Are you suggesting that accepted gay behavior is to sleep with the opposite sex until they get the law changed at state level?
How are the two different, draw your conclusion and stop beating around the bush.
Couples are more stable that individuals - regardless of sexual orientation.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
I know what immutable means and I'm trying to see how you believe it applies to race and not orientation.
Do you believe heterosexuality is an immutable charachteristic?
I do not agree with this and i dont think domestic violence statistics would support this claim. My own personal belief is that the government's "return on that investment" is more procreation = more voters/tax payers..... i dont agree with that either..... but i disagree with it even more when applied to gay couples.
I dont think any married couple should receive government benefits period.
I have stated it many times.
Immutable characteristic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
Do not agree.
You don't have to be married to commit domestic violence
Speaking to the "society stabilizing" effect that couples are having on this world.
How many times can you not understand that your skin color is not an action/behavior?
Heterosexuality is not an immutable characteristic. You choose who you have a relationship with, or if at all.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
A two-parent environment is shown to have an overall societal benefit
Management decision to be determined by the government. Talk to your Congressman.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
Your personal opinion.
I know plenty of gay couples that are fine members of society, and not one of them is "Clyde and Clyde" or "Bonnie and Bonnie".
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
Sexual orientation is not a behavior. Sexual intercourse is a behavior.
Keep trying. Almost there.
Agreed. And I don't see many gay people being charged with domestic violence either.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
I would have loved to be the kid in school with two daddies..... no doubt that would have accelerated my development.
Agreed. There have been many studies on it.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
Correct. Without intercourse though, one is celibate, not gay or straight.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
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