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    Quote Originally Posted by David88vert View Post
    During his first run for president, Barack Obama made one very specific promise to voters: He would cut health insurance premiums for families by $2,500, and do so in his first term. But it turns out that family premiums have increased by more than $3,000 since Obama's vow, according to the latest annual Kaiser Family Foundation employee health benefits survey.

    Now that Obamacare has passed, BCBS of GA has gone from $253/month to cover a family of four to $650/month for the same coverage. That is what it costs with one of the largest employers in the world, who leverages some of the biggest clout when negotiating insurance rates for its employees. How do I know? Because I have the actually costs in front of me. I paid $253 before, now its $650 for the same coverage. I did not have any claims or costs to have caused my rates to more than double.

    Forbes: Obamacare Guarantees Higher Health Insurance Premiums -- $3,000+ Higher - Forbes

    Bottom line: Obama did not improve the situation by forcing Obamacare on us all. You can try to argue your way out of it, but that is a fact.
    Something strikes me as odd about that number that you're paying for, and you probably need to look into it. I say that because we have BCBS, my premiums didnt go up a dime, nor did the premiums for a family of 4. Anyways, article was great reading (/sarcasm). I love the part where she tried to skirt around the subsidies that affect the majority of the people who's premiums might increase. So I did her one better and got you the ACTUAL CBO analysis of the ACA, sans the demagoguery. When you read something, wouldnt you rather the writer be straight up with you?

    CBO | An Analysis of Health Insurance Premiums Under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

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    Half of the cost you are paying is because of tort issues. Do you have any clue what medical malpractice insurance cost? Do you have any idea how much it cost to run a facility? An ambulance? Instead of bitching about how much it cost why don't you look into it. And with your beloved Obamacare it's going to get a lot more expensive to run any of these, not to mention the bed tax, and some new proposed taxes on EMS providers and the cuts in Medicaid and Medicare.
    Both of you put words in my mouth. Beloved Obamacare? Lol. And dont worry, I know what it costs. Ive looked into it. Doctors, hospitals, EMS providers, researchers all have done a great job in letting the public know exactly what we're paying for. How about this though, why dont you read the law before you bash it, and look at the meat of what it's actually trying to accomplish. I think I said before it wasn't a magic solution to healthcare

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    Something strikes me as odd about that number that you're paying for, and you probably need to look into it. I say that because we have BCBS, my premiums didnt go up a dime, nor did the premiums for a family of 4. Anyways, article was great reading (/sarcasm). I love the part where she tried to skirt around the subsidies that affect the majority of the people who's premiums might increase. So I did her one better and got you the ACTUAL CBO analysis of the ACA, sans the demagoguery. When you read something, wouldnt you rather the writer be straight up with you?

    CBO | An Analysis of Health Insurance Premiums Under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

    Both of you put words in my mouth. Beloved Obamacare? Lol. And dont worry, I know what it costs. Ive looked into it. Doctors, hospitals, EMS providers, researchers all have done a great job in letting the public know exactly what we're paying for. How about this though, why dont you read the law before you bash it, and look at the meat of what it's actually trying to accomplish. I think I said before it wasn't a magic solution to healthcare
    Let me state it clearly - coverage did not change. Premiums went up dramatically. Not just for BCBS of GA, but every insurance provider that you are given a choice to select from (quite a few of them). Kaiser was up dramatically as well.
    This is for one of the largest employers in the nation, and the world. I also checked with colleagues that work for another one of the largest employers in the nation (and world), and they reported similar increases for their account. Additionally, one of my relatives is on the BCBS account, and told me to expect them to continue to rise once people start moving to the Obamacare national pool (that's what it really is).

    Like I said, you can deny it, but these are facts. I have personally seen the premiums for one of the largest and most aggressive negotiated insurance accounts more than double. I've already looked into it, perhaps it's time that you did some real research in on it.
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