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Ok, i will submit to your point. I dont believe it, but for the sake of argument i will continue assuming that your statement is correct.

What about it don't you believe? Where is the evidence suggesting the founders wanted to arm everyone to protect themselves from themselves? If you have it, show it, and I might change my mind.

So the constitution and/or the statements made by the founders in regards to protecting us from "the government" were talking about the british government and not our own..... this is what you're saying.

Ok, so the british government still exists..... as do a variety of other nations who conflict with our standard of living. Back then they would have had to sail over on a boat to get to us........ now they can get here in planes, aircraft carriers, submarines..... did they somehow become less of a threat with modern technology?

Nope. But before they get to us, they have to get through the US government.

"the beauty of the 2nd amendment is that you wont need it until they come to take it".... So this statement is only in regards to the british government? indians? who?... to me... ANYONE that tries to take it, including our own government.

A lot of other things would have to take place in order for that to happen. If it came to that point, you'd already be fucked anyway. Not to mention, the government has a strategic advantage over you.

"When the people fear the government there is tyranny, when the government fears its people there is liberty" i suppose this is speaking to the british government also? it's not a statement applied to government in general..... why didnt they say "when the british government fears america, there is liberty"??

No one is even sure if that is a real quote or a made up one. No one can seem to find it in any print earlier than 1910

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What about it don't you believe? Where is the evidence suggesting the founders wanted to arm everyone to protect themselves from themselves? If you have it, show it, and I might change my mind.

Nope. But before they get to us, they have to get through the US government.

A lot of other things would have to take place in order for that to happen. If it came to that point, you'd already be fucked anyway. Not to mention, the government has a strategic advantage over you.

No one is even sure if that is a real quote or a made up one. No one can seem to find it in any print earlier than 1910

So the british government didnt have an advantage over the founders? were they not "fucked anyway"...?? Why didnt the constitution say "we're out numbered by the british, you can keep your guns until they decide to take them, cause if they do, we're fucked anyway"

The odds being stacked against you is no reason to surrender. That is not the american way, we dont surrender.