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    Quote Originally Posted by bu villain View Post
    You are misinterpreting me. Take for example, your right to bear arms. It is an important freedom but it can also be used to deny others freedom. You can deny someone their right to live with it. You could also enslave someone with it and force them to support you with their work (the exact same thing you are complaining about). You can say how you think things should be but at the end of the day we have to deal with reality. Reality is that if enough people want to force you to follow their rules, you will never achieve that life you are hoping for.
    This is probably the poorest argument i've ever seen you construct. I am highly disappointed by this. You dont legislate based off the possibility of what someone could do. The problem is that you support a system that allows the majority to prey off the minority. What if everyone voted to re-enslave black people, would you just shrug and say "oh well, that's democracy massa" . THIS SYSTEM IS THE PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! QUIT VOTING FOR IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quit voting for those who want to further expand and empower the government's ability to control your life.



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    If you have a better system please let me know.
    I do.... quit voting for democrats.



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    The government is not one thing that represents one view. It is a conglomeration of many different views. If you don't feel your opinion is represented it's probably just because it is getting drown out by the other 300,000,000+ views. Your rights are not borrowed from the government but your rights don't always enforce themselves either.
    It shouldnt be that way. Nothing i believe in would effect anyone else's life what so ever....... we shouldnt allow the majority to vote themselves the freedoms of the minority. Some things should not be up for vote.....

    Why dont democrats just be honest? you keep saying the constitution is not set in stone and can be changed...... its plenty obvious that it's one of the main goals of Obama to see that happen..... be honest then... run on that ticket..... instead of "hope and change" run on "The constitution gets in my way, lets get rid of it"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    This is probably the poorest argument i've ever seen you construct. I am highly disappointed by this. You dont legislate based off the possibility of what someone could do. The problem is that you support a system that allows the majority to prey off the minority. What if everyone voted to re-enslave black people, would you just shrug and say "oh well, that's democracy massa" . THIS SYSTEM IS THE PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! QUIT VOTING FOR IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quit voting for those who want to further expand and empower the government's ability to control your life.
    To be clear, the "system" is our voting system spelled out in the consititution. It is not democrats or republicans. Are you saying I shouldn't support the constitution. If everyone voted to re-enslave black people I would fight against it any way I could. You seem to think the outcome that is reached through the system is synonymous with the system itself. It is not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    I do.... quit voting for democrats.
    Not voting for democrats is not a different system. It is the same system we currently have (representative democracy).


    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    It shouldnt be that way. Nothing i believe in would effect anyone else's life what so ever....... we shouldnt allow the majority to vote themselves the freedoms of the minority. Some things should not be up for vote.....
    Whether it should be or not, that is the way our process is set up. If 99/100 people want to pass a law requiring the murder of all babies, that will be the law no matter how horrible of a law it is. I agree some things shouldn't be up for a vote but I'm talking about the way things are, not the way they should be. Now if you have an idea of how to stop a large majority from getting their way, I'm all ears. And don't say stop voting for democrats because you can't stop people from voting for democrats if they want to.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    Why dont democrats just be honest? you keep saying the constitution is not set in stone and can be changed...... its plenty obvious that it's one of the main goals of Obama to see that happen..... be honest then... run on that ticket..... instead of "hope and change" run on "The constitution gets in my way, lets get rid of it"
    Politician honesty is a whole other topic. Also, aren't you arguing we should change the constitution so that some things can't be voted on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bu villain View Post
    To be clear, the "system" is our voting system spelled out in the consititution. It is not democrats or republicans. Are you saying I shouldn't support the constitution. If everyone voted to re-enslave black people I would fight against it any way I could. You seem to think the outcome that is reached through the system is synonymous with the system itself. It is not.



    Not voting for democrats is not a different system. It is the same system we currently have (representative democracy).




    Whether it should be or not, that is the way our process is set up. If 99/100 people want to pass a law requiring the murder of all babies, that will be the law no matter how horrible of a law it is. I agree some things shouldn't be up for a vote but I'm talking about the way things are, not the way they should be. Now if you have an idea of how to stop a large majority from getting their way, I'm all ears. And don't say stop voting for democrats because you can't stop people from voting for democrats if they want to.



    Politician honesty is a whole other topic. Also, aren't you arguing we should change the constitution so that some things can't be voted on?

    Democrats are not abiding by the current system. Theyre playing by their own rules while at the same time trying to tear down any rules that would prevent them from making their own rules. A vote for a democrat is a vote for a big government that answers to nobody.

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