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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    I think this should be a spinoff of Godwin's Law:

    When debating any topic with Sinfix15, the probability of a comparison involving a sect of a now defunct black supremacy group approaches 1.
    So the black panther party no longer exists?

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    I understand how basic criminal charges work, but the cops don't just show up to your house demanding to see your unregistered handgun. Lol
    You must not have read the article or you were unable to comprehend what you read. He called the cops and showed them the video from his security cameras. They saw the gun in the video and then ran its numbers. Their system did not show the gun as registered so they arrested him. Whats so difficult to understand?
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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    I already know this. Lol. When I said "this is poorly researched" meant I already had a clue. Can you now quote me what Wikipedia says about 501c4's?

    How come after you show me that its not Obamas website do you still maintain its Obamas website? Lol.


    Read again. Who set it up and manages it? Oh yeah, his handpicked team. I suppose that you think that his staff and his wife did it all without his knowledge.
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    In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953 approximately 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917 approximately 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    In 1928, Germany established gun control. From 1939 to 1943, 13 million Jews, gypsies, handicapped and homosexuals , unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

    In 1935, China established gun control, From 1948 to 1952, 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    In 1962, Guatemala established gun control. From 1964 to 1981 over 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    In 1970, Uganda established gun control. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were round up and exterminated.

    In 1956, Cambodia established con control. From 1975 to 1977, I million “educated people” unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    In the 20th century the total victims murdered by their own governments in ‘gun control’ countries is estimated to be between 60 million and 200 million men, women and children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953 approximately 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917 approximately 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    In 1928, Germany established gun control. From 1939 to 1943, 13 million Jews, gypsies, handicapped and homosexuals , unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

    In 1935, China established gun control, From 1948 to 1952, 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    In 1962, Guatemala established gun control. From 1964 to 1981 over 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    In 1970, Uganda established gun control. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were round up and exterminated.

    In 1956, Cambodia established con control. From 1975 to 1977, I million “educated people” unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    In the 20th century the total victims murdered by their own governments in ‘gun control’ countries is estimated to be between 60 million and 200 million men, women and children.
    To me there's a difference in gun control and banning guns, did these countries take guns from citizens or do what we mostly see right now, such as limiting magazine size, banning certain weapons, and enforcing more strict background checks?

    If the government wanted to come take my weapons or me, neither of my guns will put up a good fight to trained military with cutting edge rifles.

    I also don't see any US military actually acting if they were ordered to attack US citizens, they do their job, sure, some may take the orders, but many I would feel would be on our side with the whole "brothers and sisters" mentality. How many of those countries listed above had a very persuasive leader that placed blame and brought out hate towards people in the country to create a huge following and simply brainwash people? You could say Obama has that power, but take note his brainwashed followers are anti-gun, so if they come to our homes with rocks or simply asking to please turn in our weapons, we should be OK.

    I know it's bad, but every time I picture door to door soldiers I see this:



    Thanks for the links on the previous page, BTW.

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    Godwin's Law manifests itself. Good job Sinfix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    Godwin's Law manifests itself. Good job Sinfix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elbow View Post
    To me there's a difference in gun control and banning guns, did these countries take guns from citizens or do what we mostly see right now, such as limiting magazine size, banning certain weapons, and enforcing more strict background checks?

    If the government wanted to come take my weapons or me, neither of my guns will put up a good fight to trained military with cutting edge rifles.

    I also don't see any US military actually acting if they were ordered to attack US citizens, they do their job, sure, some may take the orders, but many I would feel would be on our side with the whole "brothers and sisters" mentality. How many of those countries listed above had a very persuasive leader that placed blame and brought out hate towards people in the country to create a huge following and simply brainwash people? You could say Obama has that power, but take note his brainwashed followers are anti-gun, so if they come to our homes with rocks or simply asking to please turn in our weapons, we should be OK.
    Stop trying to poke holes in his arguments. It's best to let them wallow in their own ignorance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    Stop trying to poke holes in his arguments. It's best to let them wallow in their own ignorance.
    I'm going to do a telephone survey to prove my point, you just wait!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    I'm going to do a telephone survey to prove my point, you just wait!
    I don't get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elbow View Post
    I don't get it.
    For all the source bashing Blank does, he linked a telephone survey as "facts" supporting the idea that the "ghetto" did not have a drug problem. Blank feels that the "ghetto" is associated with drug users because of white people being seen purchasing drugs from the ghetto and associating that with drugs being used inside the "ghetto" by it's inhabitants. Blank proved this "fact" by linking a telephone survey administered to people from the "ghetto" asking them if they used drugs or thought their neighbors used drugs. The telephone survey revealed that drugs are a middle class white problem, that white people buy drugs from the "ghetto" and used them behind closed doors without getting caught.

    Clearly it is impossible to poke holes in this scientifically infallible information. /sarcasm

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    Well I hope the people taking these surveys aren't like me...

    "Hello?"
    "Would you like to take a 2 minute survey on homosexuality?"
    "Yes."
    "Are you a homosexual?"
    "Very."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elbow View Post
    Well I hope the people taking these surveys aren't like me...

    "Hello?"
    "Would you like to take a 2 minute survey on homosexuality?"
    "Yes."
    "Are you a homosexual?"
    "Very."
    Would you be more or less inclined to fake the same exact question for the sake of amusement on a written survey? Just wondering.

    ...unless you are actually homosexual....

    I was just saying that telephone surveys are a very accepted method of collecting data. I'm not sure how Sinfix is confused about that, but I also don't believe he has much post-secondary education, so there's that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    For all the source bashing Blank does, he linked a telephone survey as "facts" supporting the idea that the "ghetto" did not have a drug problem. Blank feels that the "ghetto" is associated with drug users because of white people being seen purchasing drugs from the ghetto and associating that with drugs being used inside the "ghetto" by it's inhabitants. Blank proved this "fact" by linking a telephone survey administered to people from the "ghetto" asking them if they used drugs or thought their neighbors used drugs. The telephone survey revealed that drugs are a middle class white problem, that white people buy drugs from the "ghetto" and used them behind closed doors without getting caught.

    Clearly it is impossible to poke holes in this scientifically infallible information. /sarcasm
    Wow. This isn't what I felt at all. But I guess when you only read what you want to read...

    And the survey didnt show it was a middle class white problem at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    Would you be more or less inclined to fake the same exact question for the sake of amusement on a written survey? Just wondering.

    ...unless you are actually homosexual....

    I was just saying that telephone surveys are a very accepted method of collecting data. I'm not sure how Sinfix is confused about that, but I also don't believe he has much post-secondary education, so there's that...
    Probably not, that requires writing.

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    I cant believe you 2 are still whining about a phone survey.


    Phone surveys are just as respected as any other form of survey from the same pollster. Yes, you are going to have some people answer with anything under the sun, you will also have the same people so the same things on a written or in person survey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BanginJimmy View Post
    I cant believe you 2 are still whining about a phone survey.


    Phone surveys are just as respected as any other form of survey from the same pollster. Yes, you are going to have some people answer with anything under the sun, you will also have the same people so the same things on a written or in person survey.
    I have a telephone survey to every black person in america today. 97% of them think Obama is the best president ever.


    A telephone survey accurately collects people's opinions that they are willing to give over a telephone.... nothing more.

    After giving that telephone survey to every black person in america, i took a look break and then called every prison in america. 95% of the people in prison are innocent, we need to release them!

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    Is there a minimum number of people to survey to make a survey accurate or legit? Do they typically say how many were surveyed?

    If I only ask 15 people a question, the results could be misleading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    I have a telephone survey to every black person in america today. 97% of them think Obama is the best president ever.


    A telephone survey accurately collects people's opinions that they are willing to give over a telephone.... nothing more.

    After giving that telephone survey to every black person in america, i took a look break and then called every prison in america. 95% of the people in prison are innocent, we need to release them!
    That is what margin of error is for. If a poll is polled in a biased way, you will get a biased poll, no matter how it is collected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elbow View Post
    Is there a minimum number of people to survey to make a survey accurate or legit? Do they typically say how many were surveyed?

    If I only ask 15 people a question, the results could be misleading.
    Any legitimate poll will give the number of respondents. If the poll doesnt list that, it isnt worth reading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elbow View Post
    Is there a minimum number of people to survey to make a survey accurate or legit? Do they typically say how many were surveyed?

    If I only ask 15 people a question, the results could be misleading.
    I just telephone surveyed the entire state of Florida. They all believe Tim Tebow was the greatest college QB ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BanginJimmy View Post
    That is what margin of error is for. If a poll is polled in a biased way, you will get a biased poll, no matter how it is collected.
    I just did a telephone survey asking people if they would be willing to be truthful during a self incriminating line of questioning given over a telephone survey....

    what do you think the results were?

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    As an alternative to torture and water boarding, our military is now going to collect the phone numbers of detainees and set them free. When they need to know something, they will conduct a telephone survey.

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    damn, its been a real busy day for me...... i just finished another telephone survey. I called every preacher in america with a teenage daughter...... 100% of them are virgins who are saving themselves for marriage.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Elbow View Post
    To me there's a difference in gun control and banning guns, did these countries take guns from citizens or do what we mostly see right now, such as limiting magazine size, banning certain weapons, and enforcing more strict background checks?

    If the government wanted to come take my weapons or me, neither of my guns will put up a good fight to trained military with cutting edge rifles.

    I also don't see any US military actually acting if they were ordered to attack US citizens, they do their job, sure, some may take the orders, but many I would feel would be on our side with the whole "brothers and sisters" mentality. How many of those countries listed above had a very persuasive leader that placed blame and brought out hate towards people in the country to create a huge following and simply brainwash people? You could say Obama has that power, but take note his brainwashed followers are anti-gun, so if they come to our homes with rocks or simply asking to please turn in our weapons, we should be OK.

    I know it's bad, but every time I picture door to door soldiers I see this:
    I feel you like you gave my response in your question. The "brainwashed followers" are not the ones who would act out the threat, they're simply ones who have already fallen victim to it. Within the next 5 years the United States will be the only country in the world that views gun ownership as a right, currently we are 1 of only 2 countries. We are currently in the process of negotiating an arms treaty with the United Nations. I've linked videos from the UN floor with leaders referring to handguns in the united states as weapons of mass destruction. Our country will never fall to a gun, sword, bomb ect...... the only threat to our way of life is the pen. Obama is doing everything in his power to bring that threat closer to reality. He doesnt appear evil because he doesnt believe that he is. In his mind he is trying to make the US a better place and deliver the "change" he promised. We didnt become the nation we are by believing in Obama's ideas. Our ancestors didnt cross an ocean into the unknown to have our freedom rationed by government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    I feel you like you gave my response in your question. The "brainwashed followers" are not the ones who would act out the threat, they're simply ones who have already fallen victim to it. Within the next 5 years the United States will be the only country in the world that views gun ownership as a right, currently we are 1 of only 2 countries. We are currently in the process of negotiating an arms treaty with the United Nations. I've linked videos from the UN floor with leaders referring to handguns in the united states as weapons of mass destruction. Our country will never fall to a gun, sword, bomb ect...... the only threat to our way of life is the pen. Obama is doing everything in his power to bring that threat closer to reality. He doesnt appear evil because he doesnt believe that he is. In his mind he is trying to make the US a better place and deliver the "change" he promised. We didnt become the nation we are by believing in Obama's ideas. Our ancestors didnt cross an ocean into the unknown to have our freedom rationed by government.

    The simple fact that you think the UN gun treaty would have even the slightest chance of being ratified by the Senate makes me question your sanity once again. Without looking it up, do you even know how mnay votes it takes in the Senate to ratify a treaty? My guess is no since you keep bringing it up.

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    Given the current state of the GOP... Not sure it's a stretch either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Echonova View Post
    Just to be clear, Patton's definition of a liberal democrat and the current definition of liberal democrat are TOTALLY different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    Just to be clear, Patton's definition of a liberal democrat and the current definition of liberal democrat are TOTALLY different.
    Agreed.


    Most Republicans would also fall under his definition now.

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    Had to stick the caveat in there before Sinfix says "HURRDURR PATTON YOU'RE SOOOOOO RIGHT"

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    Quote Originally Posted by BanginJimmy View Post
    The simple fact that you think the UN gun treaty would have even the slightest chance of being ratified by the Senate makes me question your sanity once again. Without looking it up, do you even know how mnay votes it takes in the Senate to ratify a treaty? My guess is no since you keep bringing it up.
    Then why are they trying? them trying is enough to annoy me. Is our president evil or stupid? either way, not happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    Had to stick the caveat in there before Sinfix says "HURRDURR PATTON YOU'RE SOOOOOO RIGHT"
    He would have said a lot worse about Obama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    He would have said a lot worse about Obama.
    Doubt it

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    Doubt it
    Love is blind. You love your king. Everyone with half a brain thinks he's the worst president in the history of our country and will be glad when he's gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    Love is blind. You love your king.
    How do you come to that conclusion based on that statement?

    Everyone with half a brain thinks he's the worst president in the history of our country and will be glad when he's gone.
    Fortunately, those people you speak of with half a brain make up the uneducated fraction of the population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    How do you come to that conclusion based on that statement?

    Fortunately, those people you speak of with half a brain make up the uneducated fraction of the population.
    If educated people want Obama, perhaps we need to re-evaluate the direction our education system is going.....

    Obama's ideology goes against everything that made america what it is today and his followers are a bunch of mindless sheep who are too vulnerable to propaganda. Even you, you try so hard to pass yourself off as an intellectual but you never actually share one of your own thoughts. You spout left wing rhetoric every chance you get. When you're unsure of the politically correct leftism to apply to a given topic, you ignore the question and move on.
    Last edited by Sinfix_15; 03-26-2013 at 07:29 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    If educated people want Obama, perhaps we need to re-evaluate the direction our education system is going.....

    Obama's ideology goes against everything that made america what it is today and his followers are a bunch of mindless sheep who are too vulnerable to propaganda. Even you, you try so hard to pass yourself off as an intellectual but you never actually share one of your own thoughts. You spout left wing rhetoric every chance you get. When you're unsure of the politically correct leftism to apply to a given topic, you ignore the question and move on.
    I share my thoughts when it's appropriate.

    Correcting gross misinformation and challenging logical fallacies does not leftism make. You'll learn that one day.

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    Good God does it ever end here? LOL

    Neither one of you will EVER convince the other to switch sides or share all the same opinions.

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