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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    You say i shouldnt lump dictatorships in with democratic governments, what prevents a democracy from becoming a dictatorship?
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    Checks and balances
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    For someone who holds the second amendment so dear, you sure don't seem to think much of the rest of the constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bu villain View Post
    For someone who holds the second amendment so dear, you sure don't seem to think much of the rest of the constitution.
    i fail to see how you come to this conclusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    By what means is the constitution enforced? literally.... what do we use to enforce any law, any where?
    The constitution is enforced by the courts.

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    I made a link between their actions. That link was that theyre all "strategical advantages" in a theoretical "military vs civilian" conflict. It wasnt a part of my core argument, it was simply a "this looks fishy" comment.
    Every bit of training and new technology the military does would give a "strategical advantage" in such a theoretical conflict. "This looks fishy" is a long way from a convincing argument that we are in any sort of danger of being enslaved by our government. There are enough issues to argue about already, can we just keep such wild speculation out of it.

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    i fail to see how you come to this conclusion.
    You scoffed at the idea that the checks and balances in the constitution are what keeps us from becoming a dictatorship. Since they are a major part of the constitution and you feel they are of minimal value, that led me to believe you don't hold much of the constitution in high regard. Feel free to correct which part I have wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bu villain View Post
    You scoffed at the idea that the checks and balances in the constitution are what keeps us from becoming a dictatorship. Since they are a major part of the constitution and you feel they are of minimal value, that led me to believe you don't hold much of the constitution in high regard. Feel free to correct which part I have wrong.
    I understand the purpose by design, that doesnt mean it's flawless. Obamacare happened.... patriot act happened.... domestic drones happened....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    I understand the purpose by design, that doesnt mean it's flawless. Obamacare happened.... patriot act happened.... domestic drones happened....
    I agree there are some questionable interpretations of constitutional powers out there, but overall the document still is the basis for the rules of our society. Laws are regularly overturned as unconstitutional and no longer enforced because of it. If not the constitution, what do you think prevents our democracy from becoming a dictatorship? I honestly don't think the second amendment is very high on that list right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bu villain View Post
    I agree there are some questionable interpretations of constitutional powers out there, but overall the document still is the basis for the rules of our society. Laws are regularly overturned as unconstitutional and no longer enforced because of it. If not the constitution, what do you think prevents our democracy from becoming a dictatorship? I honestly don't think the second amendment is very high on that list right now.
    The constitution can only protect us if we let it. A lock on your front door doesnt protect you if the person behind it convinces you to open up and let them in. Obama isnt kicking the door down...... but he's talking people into unlocking their doors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bu villain View Post
    I agree there are some questionable interpretations of constitutional powers out there, but overall the document still is the basis for the rules of our society. Laws are regularly overturned as unconstitutional and no longer enforced because of it. If not the constitution, what do you think prevents our democracy from becoming a dictatorship? I honestly don't think the second amendment is very high on that list right now.
    1, we are not a democracy, we are a republic. Too many people, especially those in DC, have forgotten the difference.

    2, the Constitution has been so heavily eroded by the SCOTUS that it is almost meaningless. Just look at the Commerce Clause. With as much as that has been expanded, Congress has the power right now to pass a law saying that you MUST own a vehicle that gets 30mpg, or you pay a 'tax'. That president has already been established with Obamacare. The SCOTUS has even pushed their power so far as they now decide what those that draft a bill want to do. Remember for 2 years we heard the people that write, voted for and signed Obaamcare into law say the fine was a fine, not a tax, yet the SCOTUS said it was a tax.


    I would say it is time to get together and draft a new Constitution, but the people that would write it dont have the character to actually do it in a way that is best for the country. It would simply be piece of partisan trash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BanginJimmy View Post
    I would say it is time to get together and draft a new Constitution, but the people that would write it dont have the character to actually do it in a way that is best for the country. It would simply be piece of partisan trash.
    We may have a new constitution before its over....... The constitution of the united nations.

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