Benghazi... After today's revalations...

[TIGERJC]

I made no mention of Bush. Democrats and Republicans are both responsible for that misguided war. You want justice for 4 Americans, while I want justice for 4k Men and Women service members. Also let’s not forget the 100k+ civilian lives lost. There should have at least been some politically consequences for all parties associated with the Iraq War. It just makes me sick when either side nitpicks the other side while forgetting what the people they support do.

All presidents lie to us and you would be a damn fool not to believe that. Don't forget that they're politicians. Do you just turn your blinders on when someone you support is in office? Gov't employees work for us and all should be held accountable for their actions including Obama (Seems that you want me to mention his name in order to validate my argument).

[BanginJimmy]

I made no mention of Bush. Democrats and Republicans are both responsible for that misguided war. You want justice for 4 Americans, while I want justice for 4k Men and Women service members. Also let’s not forget the 100k+ civilian lives lost. There should have at least been some politically consequences for all parties associated with the Iraq War. It just makes me sick when either side nitpicks the other side while forgetting what the people they support do.

All presidents lie to us and you would be a damn fool not to believe that. Don't forget that they're politicians. Do you just turn your blinders on when someone you support is in office? Gov't employees work for us and all should be held accountable for their actions including Obama (Seems that you want me to mention his name in order to validate my argument).

You are missing the point, or at least my point. The lives lost are a secondary issue to me. The issue I have is that this admin has stonewalled any attempt to find out what happened in the aftermath. We dont know who pushed the video and protest lie. We dont know who gave the stand down order that prevented a reaction force from going to Benghazi, which could have saved 2 lives. We dont know why requests for additional security were ignored or denied. We dont know why Stevens was even in Benghazi when most other consulates were evacuated.

The admin has the answers to every single one of these questions but has refused to answer them, which brings up another question. Why all the secrecy?


Its not the attack thats the problem. Its not the lost lives that is the problem. The problem is the coverup and the continued lies even after they have been caught in them.


As for fallout from the Iraq war, I would say the GOP got plenty of them. The dems, on the other hand, walked away scott free.

[TIGERJC]

You are missing the point, or at least my point. The lives lost are a secondary issue to me. The issue I have is that this admin has stonewalled any attempt to find out what happened in the aftermath. We dont know who pushed the video and protest lie. We dont know who gave the stand down order that prevented a reaction force from going to Benghazi, which could have saved 2 lives. We dont know why requests for additional security were ignored or denied. We dont know why Stevens was even in Benghazi when most other consulates were evacuated.

The admin has the answers to every single one of these questions but has refused to answer them, which brings up another question. Why all the secrecy?


Its not the attack thats the problem. Its not the lost lives that is the problem. The problem is the coverup and the continued lies even after they have been caught in them.


As for fallout from the Iraq war, I would say the GOP got plenty of them. The dems, on the other hand, walked away scott free.

Lives are secondary to me. If the GOP had their hands in it, they would not even be pushing this. It’s all politics; both sides play this damn game. Politics was played in the Iraq war farce, but neither side really went after it, because both parties were involved and no clear victor could emerge.

But back to Benghazi, when the attack occurred I can’t believe all this crap that’s being spewed that those killed were hung out there to die instead of being helped for political reason. We have diplomats all over the world and I am not surprised how ineffective we were when we’re caught off guard. The CIA and our intelligence community as a whole have shown how they can drop the ball on occasion. Instead I want the investigation to look at the response (the lack) and so that we can be prepared for the next incident. Also so that anyone that was negligent is remove from their position.

I can’t support this, but I am sure politics was involved in how the matter was handled afterwards. Political handlers for the white house and for the secretary of state more than likely had their hands on the language that was used to describe the incident. It was an election year, and we all know that Hillary was going to run in 2016. Staffers are going to make sure that their candidate is not a political target for anything, so the incentives were there for politics to be played. Of course that is bad, but we should be vocal every time that happens no matter what party is involved. The same political game was played when all the reports started coming out that no WMDs were found in Iraq. That’s when we got the mission accomplish campaign and that we’re here for the Iraq people, blah,blah,blah.

Political fallout is when everyone who voted for that war is held accountable by the people and voted out.

[BanginJimmy]

Lives are secondary to me. If the GOP had their hands in it, they would not even be pushing this.

If the GOP had their hands in this it would be the Dems doing exactly what the GOP is doing now. You know it, I know it, they know it.

But back to Benghazi, when the attack occurred I can’t believe all this crap that’s being spewed that those killed were hung out there to die instead of being helped for political reason. We have diplomats all over the world and I am not surprised how ineffective we were when we’re caught off guard. The CIA and our intelligence community as a whole have shown how they can drop the ball on occasion. Instead I want the investigation to look at the response (the lack) and so that we can be prepared for the next incident. Also so that anyone that was negligent is remove from their position.

Benghazi timeline: How the attack unfolded - CBS News

That link is missing a couple things along the way but is a pretty good run down of events.

Why were several requests for additional security denied amid a growing level of violence against westerners?
How could it possibly take more than 7 hours for a small security team to travel only 400 miles?

Several sources have reported that we had a response team on the tarmac in Tripoli before the first attack ended but were called back.

Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks - CBS News

I can’t support this, but I am sure politics was involved in how the matter was handled afterwards. Political handlers for the white house and for the secretary of state more than likely had their hands on the language that was used to describe the incident.

No one is claiming that Obama or Clinton were personally responsible for changing the talking points. They are responsible for the continued lies and stonewalling of investigations though. As I said before, at this point it only a story because every new piece of info contradicts repeated admin claims.

I could honestly understand the political need to slow down the flow of info during the elections. I dont like it, but I understand that to people in DC elections come before anything else, including lives. What makes absolutely zero sense at all is the continued lies being pushed out. There is absolutely zero question in anyone's mind today that the admin covered up the events in Benghazi for purely political reasons. The only thing that the continued lies do is further marginalize this admin. At this point, Obama's only real legacy is going to be the lies he and his admin have told.

The same political game was played when all the reports started coming out that no WMDs were found in Iraq.

1 major difference here. With Iraq, we went off sketchy intelligence. With Benghazi, the admin knew exactly what happened, but told the entire world something they knew at the time was false.

Political fallout is when everyone who voted for that war is held accountable by the people and voted out.

GOP candidates were blown out in the next 2 elections, I would say they felt the fallout. Since they werent in charge of the whore house though, the dems received no piece of the blame. If you want to further discuss that, we can go to a new thread about the uninterested, unintelligent voters in the US and how much of a danger they really are.