Why does the supermajority in 09-10 matter? If 2011 is the right year for revenue increases, why does it have to be completely taken off the table?
Why does the supermajority in 09-10 matter? If 2011 is the right year for revenue increases, why does it have to be completely taken off the table?
i guess you're not blindly worshipping Romney?Originally Posted by Sinfix_15
SN: i'm going to try to ignore the political section from here on out. Good luck to me
Am I better off than 4 years ago? Yes.
Did I see an increase in my income? Yes.
Do I pay more in taxes? Yes. (Top 5% bracket as well)
Do I feel anything Obama has done has directly affected me? Not really, but I think he has been able to stabilize the bleeding our country was seeing.
Do I feel 8 years of Republican rule got us into this mess? Yes.
Solution... raise taxes on the rich b/c they can afford it. I don't know many politicians, ceo's, silver spoon recipients complaining about how to pay their bills. Close loop holes in tax system that allow Top 1% to exploit the system. Stop pushing the idea if we don't tax them they will create jobs b/c it is a farce it didn't work in the last 8 years and it won't work now. Most of call we need to cut Military spending b/c decades of war doesn't stabilize an economy. Student loans need to get address as they are more than CC debt. Look for ways to truly help the middle class not holding them hostage to help your constituents. It doesn't matter blue/red, dem/rep they are all crooks. No matter how you slice it.
Paul "your bullshit makes the flowers grow"
Please do the math and look at the level of revenue increases needed to make even a marginal dent in the deficit.
Paul, that goes for you too.
Spending is the problem, not revenue. The economy would collapse in a matter of hours if tax increases high enough to balance the budget over the next decade were enacted.
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Its so refreshing to hear the opinion of someone who got wealthy on his own initiatives, that revenue increases are part of a balanced budget and not an end all solution and that those with hoards of currency are the best place to start.
This is the best god damn response in this section of all time. I'd rep you twice if I could
Paul, respectfully, you are the exception no the rule.
Median Income has gone down in the last 4 years.
Explain to me how taxing the rich changes that? Are we just planning to cut a check to them?
GOP is not solely responsible for the economic collapse, see Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Democratic led Fannie Freddie. Both parties are responsible. 50% down the line. Free cheap housing was a ploy to buy votes for the democrats, then Wall Street, backed by republicans, decided to insure and securitize the bad mortgages to make money on the loans being pushed. Bush is not the devil, never was. The problem actually started with Carter, and was unaddressed and pushed heavily by Clinton. Bush did nothing to stop it, and hired a GS employee who decided it was ok to let the banks leverage 80% over assets on hand.
As far as taxes, why do you think your income went up? Probably because your boss made enough money to justify a raise. But, ive advocated letting the bush tax cuts expire, that is raising taxes on the rich. But , i would be in favor of lowering corporate rates.
Show me how increasing costs on a business directly leads to hiring. Im waiting. Ask your CEO that if his taxes were raised 10% would he consider hiring more people?
If raising taxes on the RICH raises only 100 billion or less, is it worth the risk? Why are we putting all our eggs in 100 billion dollars?
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Again, explain how going after someone elses money, helps the middle class.
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I have a couple of things in my favor... I'm white, educated, work in a good field (IT), I have experience, I live in a metropolitan area and I work for a company that is cash positive that has a very active owner. The prerecession mentality is lets have 3 people do what 1 person can do, lets buy it on a credit card, etc. You can't look for things to get better you have to make it happen. My biggest issue with Bush was the WMD ploy to get us into two wars that have spanned over a decade. You want to cut spending you don't create wars. We can't point the fingers just at Reps b/c they are all idiots but Reps had 8 years and control. You can't expect Obama to right the wrongs of multiple terms in 4 years. Lots of issues we see today were decisions that were made prior to his administration. We should be cutting everywhere. Mitt likes to paint the 47% like they are the issue but the issue is in Congress/Senate. You don't see Rep talking about cutting Military budget which is the biggest, or farm subsides why is that? I'm sorry but Mitt is an awful choice b/c the guy has no integrity. He ran as a democrat to beat a democrat for Governorship. Even then he couldn't make up his mind. This guy will only go to the highest bidder. I understand the frustration with Obama, I voted for him, but given the choice Mitt isn't the answer. I want to see more than one legitimate choice b/c neither are GREAT but is there ever a GREAT choice? I would vote Ron Paul or Gary Johnson.
Paul "your bullshit makes the flowers grow"
As for raising taxes on the rich, if you think people making over 1 million a year are going to be hurt by paying their FAIR share of taxes you are mistaken. This tactic was pushed under Bush and still didn't help us from crumbling. You trying to justify why Mitt can pay 14% while a teach should pay 2x that? You will never win that argument as the math will never work out. I'm sorry but it is the same ole story richer getting richer while the poor get poorer. Reps try to make it sound like taxing people making over 1mil a year will stop job grow but this is farce b/c more jobs are created in the private sector and they aren't making millions. My owner if taxed more would figure out more ways to beat the system and pay less. My company is still hiring in a down economy. Why? Good business practices. This is why DC has yet to figure out. "Bridge to no where" ring a bell? Reps can criticize Dems all they want but their hands are always out as well. My favorite line in the debates was Ryan attacking Biden for his stimulus support then Biden says you sent me personal letters asking for money. It is on both sides.
Paul "your bullshit makes the flowers grow"
this deserves an epic amount of round of applause, jeeeeeeeeeeezus
You lost any chance to make a point right here so I quit reading. Instead of using idiotic rhetoric, use something based in reality. Right now the rich pay FAR more than a fair share using whatever measure you would like to use.
Do a little experiment for me. You don't have to put any numbers out there but post up your effective tax rate. My guess is it is FAR lower than you think. Probably lower than Romneys.
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The media will only back two candidates.
Really? Because there aren't enough letters in the alphabet to list EVERY out option.
But the simple fact that you look at what I said as close minded as "option 'A' and 'B" really shows me your mental capacity for thought.
Either that or you really like Obama, and can't stand the simple facts.
Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth.
- John F. Kennedy
If I'm for Obama its obvious I believe in his policies. I never said I didn't.
WE ARE IN GA... Of course the results are going to be what they are.
LOL. Don't you worry about my "mental capacity for thought". You listed A and B as an only option. But since you think there are more options, care to go over a couple options other than the A and B?
Who gives a shit what the other options are? No matter what I say, you're going to try and pick it apart, just like my original post.
My point was made and my example was simply that: an example. Honestly, I really don't give a shit.
Fact is, no matter what i say you're going to oppose it because that's the ImportAtlanta.com way. We can go on and on for hours about steps A-Z but it really is pointless.
Now go ahead, prove my point.
RONPAUL2012.
Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth.
- John F. Kennedy
Nope, ive stated many reasons why i feel the way i feel. Also, most of this forum have also restated the same reasons. Vteckidd has practically wrote you an essay explaining how Obama has failed. You refuse to listen. Romney could cure cancer tomorrow and you will still vote for or support Obama. Your support is blind, i am making a conscience decision.
So every republican thinks Obama is the worst president of all time?
Good thing you're white, otherwise that education wouldnt have soaked in, right?
Mitt's 47% comment was very insensitive but 100% true. People dont always like to hear the truth.
You think almost half of this country expects something?
no, he was talking about the voting population. At the time he made his comments, Obama had 47% polling average (REMEMBER, NO ONE HAS BROKEN 50% Since conventions UNTIL 2 weeks ago when Romney did it).
His comments were that there are 47% of people (IE OBAMA VOTERS) who , despite what Romney says, they will not vote for him. They view him as a wealthy rich white guy who represents everything they dont want. If Romney promised to give everyone a job paying $60k a year, they still wouldnt vote for him. That was his point.
AND, the dirty secret is, he may not be statistically correct, but there is a lot of truth to his statement.
Foodstamps- 16 million more people on them since Obama took office
UE- 99 weeks now
1 in 6 americans are in Poverty
Healthcare is designed to be free to low income families (which it kinda already is, but OC is designed to remove private insurance companies)
Free BC to women
Theres a ton of other stats that show that the govt assistance programs are WAY UP. Most of you will say its because of the recession. Ill remind you its 4 years since the collapse, and 6 trillion dollars later.
Now, is EVERY democrat a social welfare recipient? absolutely not. But i think if we are all being honest here we would say people who are predominantly white middle class to upper class are republican, democrats tend to be middle class minority and down. Now there are poor GOP people (ME HAHA) and there are RICH Democrats (Kerry, Obama, Buffet) etc.
Heres what Romney was talking about, she doesnt represent all democrats , but its a larger section of the population than you want to believe
Original Obamaphone Lady: Obama Voter Says Vote for Obama because he gives a free Phone - YouTube
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now I can agree with you if you call that lady ignorant/idiot.
You're focusing on the wrong part of it and missing the point. Romney is saying that Obama has a large portion of followers that basically support him for the wrong reason unconditionally and theyre gonna vote for him no matter what. They support him because they like the policies that are ruining america. They like food stamps, hand outs and all of the above. Keep in mind that he's speaking to his base. What he was trying to accomplish is a "kick in the ass" to energize his supporters to get it in gear. saying "hey look, this Obama guy has a big advantage here..... he's got a lot of supporters that we absolutely know there's no chance that we can convert because theyre not even gonna give us the time of day, so you need to get out there and make sure all of our supporters vote"
His comment was insensitive, but true. I'm certain its not 47%.... but a large portion of people are voting for Obama for the wrong reason and also not even listening to what Romney has to say for the wrong reasons too.
A person who likes being on food stamps and thinks the government should pay for your gas and cellphone is not going to be convinced to vote for you because you offer them a job. They dont want jobs and dont care anything about debt. Not every Obama supporter is a lazy moron, but every lazy moron will probably vote for Obama.
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Humor me if you dont mind. Make out a list of everything you find wrong with Romney. List it out and number it.
Please do the same. I want to see your insight on Obama.
You even asking me this is hilarious...... i could write a book about the failures of Obama.... and believe it or not.... people already have wrote books about the failures of Obama. Obama is an absolute failure of a president and it will be very easy for me to lay out a LONGGGGGGGGGGGG list of his failures. Soon as this Florida Georgia game is over, i will gladly oblige you.
How about you join in also, lay out the list of reasons you dislike Romney. I can already see that this is going to end up hilarious because everything wrong with Romney, is also wrong with Obama... difference is, Romney didnt run up historically high deficits, lower the credit rating or freeze the economy.
I'm gonna be honest with you. If you cant see anything wrong with Obama, it's because youre not looking. Even being an Obama supporter automatically makes me question your intelligence.
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She is, its wrong to characterize all obama voters that way because i do not believe that. I know very smart educated people who just happen to believe in liberal policies.
But, having said that, look at the statistics, "welfare" spending (NOT WELFARE PROGRAM), IE govt money people get, is way up. The woman in that video, is part of a much larger subsection of voting population than you want to admit, i guarantee it.
Those people, no matter what Romney says, they will never vote for him.
Im sure you could find some racist redneck white people doing similar things that No matter what Obama says, theyll never vote for him.
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1) Inability to work with congress across the aisle. Make excuses all you want, all previous administrations have done it.
2) Exploding the deficit despite claiming he would cut it, while calling Bush "unpatriotic" for running 1 trillion in deficits over 8 years. (Obama is 1+ trillion PER YEAR)
3) Weak to no economic policies. He passed Stim 1, and has done nothing since.
4) Asking rich to pay fair share but never explaining what it will do to the economy (because he knows it solves nothing).
Thats my main 4 gripes.
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Come on man. Really? lolEven being an Obama supporter automatically makes me question your intelligence.
That statement makes me question you lol.
I agree with you here.
3) He's done MANY things... like he mentioned on debate 2. I will not list them again.
4) He has broken down time after time how it will affect the economy. It's one thing if you believe whether they will work or not.
3) What specific legislation has he passed? refresh my memory, post 3.
All i can count is Stim 1. Thats it. I do not count extending UE benefits and "investing" in green jobs as policies , especially when most of the investment has lost us everything.
4) He has not, find me something where he says "After we receive the extra tax revenue we will......................". Like i said earlier, it adds up to 100 billion or less, if he really needs that money, WHY NOT JUST SPEND IT? He doesnt need the extra revenue, its a talking point designed to get the poor pissed off at the Rich, instead of focusing on how to solve the bigger issue
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3) Saving GM which saved thousands of jobs... Which kept people with thousands of houses and money to spend and pay taxes.
Got us out of a war.
Housing market is going up (Please don't deny it)
etc... There are more
4) He has explained what he will with the money coming in. You know this.
What Romney doesn't understand is that those people that will lose welfare, foodstamps, healthcare, etc... will not go away. They will still be out there. What do you think is going to happen?
It'll be more expensive then since we'll have to start building jails and start imprisoning people. lol
Those arent policies, and he hasnt done anything to help any of them. Saving GM ...........if you mean spending 80 billion to save a company that was tanking because of horrible business deals and shitty products, and they still owe us, then i dont know if i count that as a positive.
So you must be for the bank bailouts then right?
I mean if youre for bailing out companies at least be consistent.
Housing market isnt recovering, its better for sure, but forclosures actually accelerated this year. I dont know what makes you think the market is ok. I know people in real estate that will strongly disagree with you.
I totally have no clue what you are saying. Dumb it down for me. Romney has never advocated for taking anyones social welfare away?4) He has explained what he will with the money coming in. You know this.
What Romney doesn't understand is that those people that will lose welfare, foodstamps, healthcare, etc... will not go away. They will still be out there. What do you think is going to happen?
It'll be more expensive then since we'll have to start building jails and start imprisoning people. lol
He hasnt not said what the extra revenue will go to. He has mentioned paying down the deficit, but we accumulate close to 400 billion in interest a year alone. So please save me the 100 billion makes a dent in the deficit argument.
Explain to me how the extra 100 billion helps middle class or poor people. Again, if its ONLY 100 billion standing between us an economic prosperity, why doesnt he just SPEND THE 100 billion?
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In no specific order of importance.
#1 The 4 highest deficits in the history of the united states are 2009 Obama, 2010 Obama, 2011 Obama, 2012 Obama.
#2 Obama talked like Bush's deficits were the end of the world, then he tripled Bush's deficit his first year in office.
#3 Obama's campaign is nothing but smear tactics, he claims Romney said "let the auto industry die" and is even bold enough to stand in front of a national audience and claim that Romney would have liquidated the auto industry which is absolutely fucking retarded, when Romney really said..... and i quote. "A managed bankruptcy may be the only path to the fundamental restructuring the industry needs". Obama's "bailout" was nothing more than a bankruptcy itself.
#4 Obama blames his failure on a republican majority, even though Bush's last 2 years of his 8 year presidency and Obama's first 2 years came under a democratic majority.
#5 Obama's entire campaign strategy this year since he doesnt actually have a record to run on is to call Romney a liar and make everything about fact checking, he must realize that his base doesnt check facts because if they did, they would see that Obama is a habitual liar.
#6 You didnt build that, someone else built that.
#7 Obama panders to whatever audience he is standing in front of..... he sounds like Wayne Brady in front a white audience and Fred Sanford in front of a black audience. He makes promises to minorities to buy their vote.
#8 Obama lied about his relationship with Rev Wright. He's on video speaking of Wright as his mentor and life long friend, then when Wright became volatile, he acted like he hardly knew him.
#9 18 green energy companies that Obama gave billions in stimulus to have filed for bankruptcy.
#10 Obama rejected keystone pipeline. Obama's appointed director of EPA has been caught on camera saying he went after oil companies and compared it to the Romans crucifying to send a message.
#11 Unemployment rate kinda speaks for itself.
#12 Obama demonizes Romney's stance on birth control, he doesnt want to ban it, he just doesnt feel the government should pay for it. It seems like the only way Obama knows how to support a cause is to pay for it. Romney giving the employer the choice to not cover contraceptives is intended for church establishments.
#13 Row V Wade would not ban abortions..... it would simply defer that the decision to the state. A large portion of Romney's accused "flip flops" are a result of him deferring to the state. Romney's stance in general is that some decisions should be left to the state. Obviously Obama demonizes this at his convenience.
#14 Obama "spikes the football" on every military conquest while refusing to take blame when soldiers die on his watch. He demonizes water boarding while approving drove strikes that often result in civilian casualties. I guess a criminals head being held under water is worse than a civilian being bombed by a radio controlled plane.
#15 Gas was $1.79 when Obama took office.
#16 Obama's staff had the voter intimidation charges for black panther members dropped even though they were filmed in violation. Thanx to Obama... " The cracker killer " didnt have to serve any jail time.
#17 Agree or disagree with auto insurance mandate............................... but Obama is the only president in the history of the US to require by law for american citizens to purchase something from a 3rd party. I view this as a 1st step.... not to mention that Obamacare followed this up.
#18 Obama won a noble peace prize for being the first black president and not because of his accolades.
#19
#20 Even with the highest deficit in american history and a country in turmoil, Obama has played 75 rounds of golf, been on 17 vacations, Michelle has 22 personal servants and they pay their dog trainer $102k....... with tax payer money, not private funds.
You could literally go on and on and on and on and on and on...........................
I'll be honest. I'm not as educated about Romney as you are Obama. BUT, I am 100% sure I can find someone as educated as you about Romney to post at least 30 things why Romney shouldn't be president. Same with Obama.In no specific order of importance.
#1 The 4 highest deficits in the history of the united states are 2009 Obama, 2010 Obama, 2011 Obama, 2012 Obama.
#2 Obama talked like Bush's deficits were the end of the world, then he tripled Bush's deficit his first year in office.
#3 Obama's campaign is nothing but smear tactics, he claims Romney said "let the auto industry die" and is even bold enough to stand in front of a national audience and claim that Romney would have liquidated the auto industry which is absolutely fucking retarded, when Romney really said..... and i quote. "A managed bankruptcy may be the only path to the fundamental restructuring the industry needs". Obama's "bailout" was nothing more than a bankruptcy itself.
#4 Obama blames his failure on a republican majority, even though Bush's last 2 years of his 8 year presidency and Obama's first 2 years came under a democratic majority.
#5 Obama's entire campaign strategy this year since he doesnt actually have a record to run on is to call Romney a liar and make everything about fact checking, he must realize that his base doesnt check facts because if they did, they would see that Obama is a habitual liar.
#6 You didnt build that, someone else built that.
#7 Obama panders to whatever audience he is standing in front of..... he sounds like Wayne Brady in front a white audience and Fred Sanford in front of a black audience. He makes promises to minorities to buy their vote.
#8 Obama lied about his relationship with Rev Wright. He's on video speaking of Wright as his mentor and life long friend, then when Wright became volatile, he acted like he hardly knew him.
#9 18 green energy companies that Obama gave billions in stimulus to have filed for bankruptcy.
#10 Obama rejected keystone pipeline. Obama's appointed director of EPA has been caught on camera saying he went after oil companies and compared it to the Romans crucifying to send a message.
#11 Unemployment rate kinda speaks for itself.
#12 Obama demonizes Romney's stance on birth control, he doesnt want to ban it, he just doesnt feel the government should pay for it. It seems like the only way Obama knows how to support a cause is to pay for it. Romney giving the employer the choice to not cover contraceptives is intended for church establishments.
#13 Row V Wade would not ban abortions..... it would simply defer that the decision to the state. A large portion of Romney's accused "flip flops" are a result of him deferring to the state. Romney's stance in general is that some decisions should be left to the state. Obviously Obama demonizes this at his convenience.
#14 Obama "spikes the football" on every military conquest while refusing to take blame when soldiers die on his watch. He demonizes water boarding while approving drove strikes that often result in civilian casualties. I guess a criminals head being held under water is worse than a civilian being bombed by a radio controlled plane.
#15 Gas was $1.79 when Obama took office.
#16 Obama's staff had the voter intimidation charges for black panther members dropped even though they were filmed in violation. Thanx to Obama... " The cracker killer " didnt have to serve any jail time.
#17 Agree or disagree with auto insurance mandate............................... but Obama is the only president in the history of the US to require by law for american citizens to purchase something from a 3rd party. I view this as a 1st step.... not to mention that Obamacare followed this up.
#18 Obama won a noble peace prize for being the first black president and not because of his accolades.
#19
#20 Even with the highest deficit in american history and a country in turmoil, Obama has played 75 rounds of golf, been on 17 vacations, Michelle has 22 personal servants and they pay their dog trainer $102k....... with tax payer money, not private funds.
You could literally go on and on and on and on and on and on...........................
I don't agree nor does Obama that Economic Prosperity is 100 billion away. Just like Romney hasn't said cutting down social programs will lead us to economic prosperity.
So you dont know much, if anything, about Romney or his policy proposals but still know Obama's are better? Sounds like you are just a democrat robot. You will vote for ANYONE as long as they have a D next to their name.
Here's the thing.....
The criticism of Obama is "THIS HAPPENED"
The criticism of Romney is "THIS MIGHT HAPPEN"
Obama and Obama supporters, if theyre honest with themselves, know that Obama does not deserve a 2nd term. He has done nothing to earn a 2nd term......
so the only course of action if to try and convince people that Romney is too bad of an alternative. That's why i asked you, tell me whats so wrong with Romney.
I was gonna fact check Sinfix, but with all the falsehoods, my Internet would break.
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