Be careful. This is painful to watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2WVJNxOpvY&sns=em
Watch as Paul Ryan embarrasses himself in front of his children
Be careful. This is painful to watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2WVJNxOpvY&sns=em
in that clip alone Paul Ryan gained more work experience than Obama.
And in addition to that..... if Obama wins again, we may all soon be eating at soup kitchens.
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History of Deficits and Surpluses In The United States
4 largest deficits in the history of the united states....
2009 Obama
2010 Obama
2011 Obama
2012 Obama
This is the tragedy of politics...... nobody ever accepts blame..... and even with all of the facts laid on the table, someone smart and reasonable like Blank is still capable of falling victim to the propaganda.
If Obama really cared about america..... he would step down.
has Romney done anything bad?
Originally Posted by Sinfix_15
i do have a question though, what does washing dishes have to do w/ anything? i just wanna know, that's all
You mean people assign too much blame
Romney didn't do anything bad here. Ryan came to this charity unannounced for a photo op. The organizer of the apolitical charity is worried he'll lose some private donations cause it looks like he's taken a political stance.
no i get that. i'm talking period. Sinfix came barging in this thread w/ 'bad things that Obama has done' which prompted my question. like damn, chill the fuk out
I guess it just takes someone smart and reasonable to recognize propaganda
Bingo...
How was any of that propaganda? Other than FY 12, those are known facts.
Do you also believe that article by Rex Nutting that under Obama, spending only increased by 1.6%?
"Propaganda is a form of communication that is aimed at influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause or position by presenting only one side of an argument. Propaganda is usually repeated and dispersed over a wide variety of media in order to create the chosen result in audience attitudes"
Only one half of the argument is provided. Maybe he had the largest deficit, but why
Because he approved spending VASTLY more money than was brought in. Was it really that hard to figure out, or was this a blame Bush reference?
Do you think two financially draining wars, coupled with tax cuts, coupled with an enormous corporate and financial system bailout had nothing to do with it? You can't just wipe the slate clean there because you think the phrase "Bush's fault" is just rhetoric. Doesn't work that way. Obama is not absolved from blame either because when he had an opportunity to end the wars and the tax cuts, he backed down from the cries of "tax increases is socializum" "ending the war is isolationizum"
At the time the stimulus was signed, the stimulus was more expensive than Iraq and Asscrackistan combined so you can throw that BS excuse out the window.
TARP was paid back 3 years ago, with interest, by every institution that got cash except Fannie and Freddie.
Tax cuts not paid for? Still doesnt explain why those same wars and tax cuts only resulted in a high of 500B deficits under Bush and a low of 1.3T under Obama. The drop in revenue does not account for that spike in deficit spending either.
Federal Budget Receipts and Outlays
Since the Bush tax cuts were enacted, deficits dropped every year until the recession hit in 2007 and 2008. That is with those same 2 wars going on.
Joe Biden would just get lost trying to find his way to a soup kitchen. Then once he finds it he starts a rukus over them not having cream potato soup.
Let me get some clarification here, me posting factual statistical documents about Obama's deficit is propaganda, but you making generalizations and misspelling things on purpose is how educated people express opinions?
OK, let me try your way then....
"yo yo homie, i no u be luvin dem food stamps en all, but we gotz a majer sosodef sits that Obama dun run up that we gotz to pay fer"
that war is exacttttttttttly what i was thinking about all yesterday on how people said that it's all obama's fault...those wars were ongoing when obama got into office...so of course they still had to pay for it...i swear some people gota chill. he's still trying to eliminate those wars as well, if i'm not mistaken, correct me if i'm wrong. if i see it right, eliminating/stopping those wars will allow more money to other avenues to help out the deficit/economy.
Yet the war never ran up Bush's own deficit to this insane level even though he was in office for 8 years. This is also not the first war in american history. Obama's deficits are the highest in the history of our country and theyre not even close to the others.
Quit making excuses for this president. Everything he told you he could do was a lie. Feel bad for him if you want to, but feel bad for him when he goes back to chicago. He doesnt belong in the white house.
you on some shit, literally
here you go. Obama has the highest deficit by LARGE margin in american history with nobody even remotely close to his level of incompetency. You agree Bush was a bad president, yet you apologize for and make excuses for someone who was significantly worse and less experienced. Obama went from being the least experienced Presidential candidate in american history, to the least qualified standing president in american history, to the president with the worst record in american history.
Keep apologizing for him and allowing him to cash blank checks. You'll remember the effect this will have on your life when you get older.
History of Deficits and Surpluses In The United States
1940 $2.9 Billion Deficit $47.54 Billion Deficit D D D
1941 $4.9 Billion Deficit $76.56 Billion Deficit D D D
1942 $20.5 Billion Deficit $288.73 Billion Deficit D D D
1943 $54.6 Billion Deficit $728 Billion Deficit D D D
1944 $47.6 Billion Deficit $618.18 Billion Deficit D D D
1945 $47.6 Billion Deficit $610.26 Billion Deficit D D D
1946 $15.9 Billion Deficit $187.06 Billion Deficit D D D
1947 $4 Billion Surplus $41.24 Billion Surplus D R R
1948 $11.8 Billion Surplus $112.38 Billion Surplus D R R
1949 $0.6 Billion Surplus $5.77 Billion Surplus D D D
1950 $3.1 Billion Deficit $29.52 Billion Deficit D D D
1951 $6.1 Billion Surplus $53.98 Billion Surplus D D D
1952 $1.5 Billion Deficit $12.93 Billion Deficit D D D
1953 $6.5 Billion Deficit $56.03 Billion Deficit R R D
1954 $1.2 Billion Deficit $10.26 Billion Deficit R R D
1955 $3 Billion Deficit $25.64 Billion Deficit R D D
1956 $3.9 Billion Surplus $32.77 Billion Surplus R D D
1957 $3.4 Billion Surplus $27.64 Billion Surplus R D D
1958 $2.8 Billion Deficit $22.22 Billion Deficit R D D
1959 $12.8 Billion Deficit $100.79 Billion Deficit R D D
1960 $0.3 Billion Surplus $2.33 Billion Surplus R D D
1961 $3.3 Billion Deficit $25.38 Billion Deficit D D D
1962 $7.1 Billion Deficit $53.79 Billion Deficit D D D
1963 $4.8 Billion Deficit $36.09 Billion Deficit D D D
1964 $5.9 Billion Deficit $43.7 Billion Deficit D D D
1965 $1.4 Billion Deficit $10.22 Billion Deficit D D D
1966 $3.7 Billion Deficit $26.24 Billion Deficit D D D
1967 $8.6 Billion Deficit $58.9 Billion Deficit D D D
1968 $25.2 Billion Deficit $165.79 Billion Deficit D D D
1969 $3.2 Billion Surplus $20 Billion Surplus R D D
1970 $2.8 Billion Deficit $16.57 Billion Deficit R D D
1971 $23 Billion Deficit $129.94 Billion Deficit R D D
1972 $23.4 Billion Deficit $128.57 Billion Deficit R D D
1973 $14.9 Billion Deficit $76.8 Billion Deficit R D D
1974 $6.1 Billion Deficit $28.37 Billion Deficit R D D
1975 $53.2 Billion Deficit $226.38 Billion Deficit R D D
1976 $73.7 Billion Deficit $297.18 Billion Deficit R D D
1977 $53.7 Billion Deficit $203.41 Billion Deficit D D D
1978 $59.2 Billion Deficit $208.45 Billion Deficit D D D
1979 $40.7 Billion Deficit $128.39 Billion Deficit D D D
1980 $73.8 Billion Deficit $205.57 Billion Deficit D D D
1981 $79 Billion Deficit $199.49 Billion Deficit R R D
1982 $128 Billion Deficit $304.04 Billion Deficit R R D
1983 $207.8 Billion Deficit $478.8 Billion Deficit R R D
1984 $185.4 Billion Deficit $409.27 Billion Deficit R R D
1985 $212.3 Billion Deficit $452.67 Billion Deficit R R D
1986 $221.2 Billion Deficit $462.76 Billion Deficit R R D
1987 $149.7 Billion Deficit $302.42 Billion Deficit R D D
1988 $155.2 Billion Deficit $300.78 Billion Deficit R D D
1989 $152.5 Billion Deficit $281.89 Billion Deficit R D D
1990 $221.2 Billion Deficit $388.07 Billion Deficit R D D
1991 $269.3 Billion Deficit $453.37 Billion Deficit R D D
1992 $290.4 Billion Deficit $474.51 Billion Deficit R D D
1993 $255.1 Billion Deficit $404.92 Billion Deficit D D D
1994 $203.2 Billion Deficit $314.55 Billion Deficit D D D
1995 $164 Billion Deficit $246.62 Billion Deficit D R R
1996 $107.5 Billion Deficit $157.16 Billion Deficit D R R
1997 $22 Billion Deficit $31.43 Billion Deficit D R R
1998 $69.2 Billion Surplus $97.33 Billion Surplus D R R
1999 $125.6 Billion Surplus $172.76 Billion Surplus D R R
2000 $236.4 Billion Surplus $314.78 Billion Surplus D R R
2001 $127.3 Billion Surplus $164.9 Billion Surplus R D R
2002 $157.8 Billion Deficit $201.02 Billion Deficit R D R
2003 $377.6 Billion Deficit $470.82 Billion Deficit R R R
2004 $413 Billion Deficit $501.21 Billion Deficit R R R
2005 $318 Billion Deficit $373.24 Billion Deficit R R R
2006 $248 Billion Deficit $282.14 Billion Deficit R R R
2007 $161 Billion Deficit $178.1 Billion Deficit R D D
2008 $459 Billion Deficit $488.82 Billion Deficit R D D
2009 $1413 Billion Deficit $1509.62 Billion Deficit D D D < OBAMA... Democrats control Senate AND House.
2010 $1294 Billion Deficit $1360.67 Billion Deficit D D D
2011 $1299 Billion Deficit $1324.16 Billion Deficit D D R
2012 $1100 Billion Deficit $1100 Billion Deficit D D R
Obama spent his first 2 years with complete control of the senate and house and all he did was run up the biggest deficit in the history of our country. Nearly triple that of Bush who was also at war. Now Obama complains the house wont work with him..... he had the house for 2 years and did nothing. Bush dealt with the same issue.... being a republican president when democrats controlled the senate and house, yet his deficit is 1/3rd of Obama.
You can add together Bush's last 4 years in office and it doesnt add up to Obama's first year as president.......
"im on some shit" yeah... let me tell you the shit im on... its called being frustrated with how stupid america has become that you can beat them over the head with facts and they still refuse to accept reality. That while people are losing their homes and jobs.... whether or not a women's birth control bills are paid for is probably going to decide this election.
Thats the shit im on. Liberal shit.... a country being ran by morons
Standing before a 488 billion deficit, Obama looked at america and said that he would cut the deficit in half. What he did was triple it.
i looked at the link when you posted it, i guess you didnt see the last year as well that bush was in office he doubled the deficit, meaning the surplus he had he eliminated and contributed to a deficit, and left unnecessary wars in the new president's lap along w/ a failing economy, that many said even before the new president got into office, that the economy is worse than the original depression. you have a eye that doesnt allow a broad scope of everything that is going on and only focus on the one thing. i asked earlier in this thread is romney perfect, straight up question that you ignored. not one of these politicians are perfect. if the dem or rep weren't so up their ass about being ignorant and actually thought about the PERSON across the room who was 'on the other side' and what they had to say and not look at it as 'this dumbass democrat' or 'this dumbass republican', put their pride aside and actually saw the benefit of what they were trying to do, they'd probably make some headway that would have been a better progression.
nothing wrong w/ saying 'you know that's a great idea, but let's change this one thing here' or 'let's not do so much of this and a little more of this'
majority that's into politics, including you, are too ignorant to see things in that light
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !! Bush doubled a 161 Billion deficit......................... Obama then TRIPLED that deficit.....
This is the problem, people like you will defend Obama to the grave and make an excuse for everything he does. Obama could set the white house on fire and burn it to the ground.....
these next day some bleeding heart tree hugging liberal like yourself would be in a forum or chat room praising him for it.
George Bush was not a good president. George Bush was a better president than Obama.
and yes.... you asked a stupid question that i ignored.... question is still stupid.... im still ignoring it.
lol yea ok...w/e you say
You're condemning Bush for a 488 billion deficit and in the same sentence defending Obama for a 1.4 TRILLION deficit... the highest in american history. One that he has maintained for 4 years in office. The same deficit he lied to you when he said he would cut it in half.
It shouldnt even be a question....... president is a failure, remove him.
he didnt lie to me, because i didnt vote for him, neither any other president before, nor will i after him. i dont trust politicians period. there's a 99% chance you read just the first sentence and made your comments after that, either that or your ignorance supercedes and sort of reasoning. because i obviously stated something that could result in a better solution for both parties
It's not that easy. If Obama was willing to compromise, he would. They throw in loaded bills with emotional points in them and other points they know will be refused.
Extreme example to make a point.....
Obama Bill - "lower the deficit, create jobs, candy for everyone in america, cure cancer, cut the nuts off every republican in the house"
Obama the next day on national TV - " sign this bill, sign this bill, sign this bill, sign this bill"
House - "we wont sign that"
Obama- "the house doesnt want to lower the deficit or create jobs"
If Obama was willing to compromise, compromise would be had. He's force feeding his agenda down our throats and running up the deficit with reckless abandon. He has the black vote secured no matter what..... NOTHING can change that...... and he has the leverage of being the pro-choice candidate. He's not going to compromise.... made evident by his lack of compromise in the last 4 years.
so every republican does say 'cut off the nuts of every democrat'?! you are seriously on some shit. this is exactly what i'm saying, as i stated plain and simple in my post and he doesnt have 'black vote secured no matter what'...there's alot of ignorance in your post, nothing being exaggerated.
yeah, it goes both ways. you can judge performance based on the numbers i've put forth. They both fight for things. Obama, made evident by his HISTORICALLY bad numbers, is not very good at this process and is not a very good president.
You find a way to defense or excuse Obama of any responsibility. I get it... 1st black president... got the memo....
with that said.............. you're not voting, waste of time talking to you about politics.
black = obama card is overplayed and you need new shit, period
I'm more worried about the women vote than i am the black vote.... i know Obama has the black vote... made evident by history. It's not a big deal.... but its not something i feel any shame in saying either. Obama has the black vote. Obama has the black vote. Obama has the black vote. Obama has the black vote.
One last thing before i go................
If Obama gets less than 90% of the black vote, i'll never say another word about black people and will apologize for everything ive ever said.
anything less than 100% and i'll agree w/ you
After last night, Obama will have the woman vote too
Thopse 2 wars at their height accounted for less than 1/6th of Obama's annual deficit spending. They were less than 10% of the '09 deficit.
Just going off the link that Sinfix provided, without doing any additional research, it appears that the deficit nearly tripled under Bush, which leads me to believe it had a lot to do with a financial system crash and little to do with Bush's fault/Obamas fault. It also appears, by the same info, that the deficit has been reduced by nearly 30%. So why, again, are we telling half the story?
Not sure what where you are seeing this. Deficits under Bush dropped to as low as 161B right before the financial collapse then spikes to about 500B in 08.
We had a 1.7T deficit in 09. That was a joint effort of TARP and about 900B in stimulus. Is that your baseline for the drop? Also deficit spending number are slightly skewed in 09 and 10 by banks repaying TARP funds.
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