Watch as Paul Ryan embarrasses himself in front of his children

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Not sure what where you are seeing this. Deficits under Bush dropped to as low as 161B right before the financial collapse then spikes to about 500B in 08.

So I'm correct in saying the deficit nearly tripled under Bush.

We had a 1.7T deficit in 09. That was a joint effort of TARP and about 900B in stimulus. Is that your baseline for the drop? Also deficit spending number are slightly skewed in 09 and 10 by banks repaying TARP funds.

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Every source I see says 1.4T for the end of FY09

Does the president or does he not authorize spending for for the following fiscal year? Meaning he authorized spending for 08 in 07?

[Sammich]

Just going off the link that Sinfix provided, without doing any additional research, it appears that the deficit nearly tripled under Bush, which leads me to believe it had a lot to do with a financial system crash and little to do with Bush's fault/Obamas fault. It also appears, by the same info, that the deficit has been reduced by nearly 30%. So why, again, are we telling half the story?

Not sure what where you are seeing this. Deficits under Bush dropped to as low as 161B right before the financial collapse then spikes to about 500B in 08.

We had a 1.7T deficit in 09. That was a joint effort of TARP and about 900B in stimulus. Is that your baseline for the drop? Also deficit spending number are slightly skewed in 09 and 10 by banks repaying TARP funds.

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2001 $127.3 Billion Surplus $164.9 Billion Surplus R D R

2002 $157.8 Billion Deficit $201.02 Billion Deficit R D R

2003 $377.6 Billion Deficit $470.82 Billion Deficit R R R

2004 $413 Billion Deficit $501.21 Billion Deficit R R R

2005 $318 Billion Deficit $373.24 Billion Deficit R R R

2006 $248 Billion Deficit $282.14 Billion Deficit R R R

2007 $161 Billion Deficit $178.1 Billion Deficit R D D

2008 $459 Billion Deficit $488.82 Billion Deficit R D D

^i believe that's what he was referring to, that portion of the deficit/surplus numbers.

i'm curious w/ all those bailouts, did all the companies finish paying back and what not, those numbers also posted showed, although the deficit is still up there, that it's slowly decreasing.

i'll put i this way if he does get reelected, i believe the deficit will continue to drop, i doubt it'd be increased.

i almost look at it like this, kind of a business aspect...majority of the times you have to spend money to make money, i mean is that not true?

BUT one thing i will say this is the last time in my life i'll get involved w/ any sort of politics, both sides of this has left a salty taste in my mouth...each side is harsh, and people have even gotten real bent out of shape that i wont vote, like really? it's my decision to vote or not like it's your decision of who you want to vote for. i dont care who votes for who. i'm just like, dont sit there and harp down one person's throat. it's almost like...keep your vote decision to yourself

[BanginJimmy]

2001 $127.3 Billion Surplus $164.9 Billion Surplus R D R

2002 $157.8 Billion Deficit $201.02 Billion Deficit R D R

2003 $377.6 Billion Deficit $470.82 Billion Deficit R R R

2004 $413 Billion Deficit $501.21 Billion Deficit R R R

2005 $318 Billion Deficit $373.24 Billion Deficit R R R

2006 $248 Billion Deficit $282.14 Billion Deficit R R R

2007 $161 Billion Deficit $178.1 Billion Deficit R D D

2008 $459 Billion Deficit $488.82 Billion Deficit R D D

^i believe that's what he was referring to, that portion of the deficit/surplus numbers.

There is plenty of reason to believe that the surplus of FY2001 turned into a deficit in FY02 because of 2 things. The first is that the US was in a small recession caused by the dot com bubble bursting. The second, is the 9/11 attacks resulted in another small recession.

I like this reference from University of California-Santa Barbara better because it also shows govt revenue.
Federal Budget Receipts and Outlays

i'm curious w/ all those bailouts, did all the companies finish paying back and what not, those numbers also posted showed, although the deficit is still up there, that it's slowly decreasing. i'll put i this way if he does get reelected, i believe the deficit will continue to drop, i doubt it'd be increased.

The only TARP funds that have not been repaid are the funds given to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. All other funds have been paid back, with interest.

Its very hard to tell if deficits will come down. Right now we are paying some of the taxes and fees for Obamacare, but the real spending hasnt started yet. Every model I have seen for the effects of Obamacare have been from biased organizations and come under pretty heavy criticism.

What we do know is that employers that do have the flexibility to do so, are going to adjust their practices to reduce their exposure to Obamacare. Dardin Restaurants recently said they were testing that policy in select regions now.

i almost look at it like this, kind of a business aspect...majority of the times you have to spend money to make money, i mean is that not true?

For a business yes, for govt its not nearly that simple. Because a govt cannot create wealth, only take it away from those that do, it stands to reason that policies that take more wealth out of the economy will hurt the economy.

[Sammich]

There is plenty of reason to believe that the surplus of FY2001 turned into a deficit in FY02 because of 2 things. The first is that the US was in a small recession caused by the dot com bubble bursting. The second, is the 9/11 attacks resulted in another small recession.

I like this reference from University of California-Santa Barbara better because it also shows govt revenue.
Federal Budget Receipts and Outlays






The only TARP funds that have not been repaid are the funds given to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. All other funds have been paid back, with interest.

Its very hard to tell if deficits will come down. Right now we are paying some of the taxes and fees for Obamacare, but the real spending hasnt started yet. Every model I have seen for the effects of Obamacare have been from biased organizations and come under pretty heavy criticism.

What we do know is that employers that do have the flexibility to do so, are going to adjust their practices to reduce their exposure to Obamacare. Dardin Restaurants recently said they were testing that policy in select regions now.





For a business yes, for govt its not nearly that simple. Because a govt cannot create wealth, only take it away from those that do, it stands to reason that policies that take more wealth out of the economy will hurt the economy.

that link is powerful, although estimates, it kinda relates to what i mentioned, the govt, still under the president, will slowly chip away at the deficit. the recession had alot to do w/ how the economy is period, regardless of the president, there's been alot of 'fix a flat' issued and realizing that's not going to work, or that in some cases it did and they can build on it.

truthfully, as long as the whole 'obamacare' thing doesnt significantly affect my pockets, i dont mind helping where i can, i mean hell my check gets taxed like a mofo right now esp since i claim 0, but it's helping out the less fortunate, that's overall how i see that situation. everybody is not fortunate to be able to pay for good healthcare.

as far as the business side of thing, i'd like to think the same principle sticks. in essence he had to 'spend' on the banks and auto industry in order to help produce jobs, i dont know how many jobs or even if it was significant enough, but it was enough for the auto companies to pay back w/ interest right, so that principle, helped w/ that situation.

at the end of the day i hope whoever is in office doesnt screw anyone over and not be a asshole about what they gota do.

[Vteckidd]

Be careful. This is painful to watch.

OOPS: without Permission, Paul Ryan and Family Show Up Washing Clean Dishes at Ohio Soup Kitchen - YouTube

TMZ actually reported that this was false.

The guy who runs the Ohio soup kitchen that Paul Ryan appeared at this weekend tells TMZ ... contrary to his earlier statement, Ryan DID get dirty with dirty dishes.

Brian Antal tells us ... the V.P. hopeful was only at the kitchen for 10 to 15 minutes and only interacted with one of their "clients."

Antal -- who wasn't at the soup kitchen at the time of the Ryan visit -- said his volunteers left some dirty dishes in the kitchen for Ryan to clean.

But when we asked him if the Ryan people had orchestrated the dish-cleaning stunt, Antal said, "No comment."

There is video floating around, showing Ryan giving a pan one scrub -- and that was the extent of the washing.

Read more: Celebrity Gossip | Entertainment News | Celebrity News | TMZ.com

[BanginJimmy]

that link is powerful, although estimates, it kinda relates to what i mentioned, the govt, still under the president, will slowly chip away at the deficit. the recession had alot to do w/ how the economy is period, regardless of the president, there's been alot of 'fix a flat' issued and realizing that's not going to work, or that in some cases it did and they can build on it.

truthfully, as long as the whole 'obamacare' thing doesnt significantly affect my pockets, i dont mind helping where i can, i mean hell my check gets taxed like a mofo right now esp since i claim 0, but it's helping out the less fortunate, that's overall how i see that situation. everybody is not fortunate to be able to pay for good healthcare.

as far as the business side of thing, i'd like to think the same principle sticks. in essence he had to 'spend' on the banks and auto industry in order to help produce jobs, i dont know how many jobs or even if it was significant enough, but it was enough for the auto companies to pay back w/ interest right, so that principle, helped w/ that situation.

at the end of the day i hope whoever is in office doesnt screw anyone over and not be a asshole about what they gota do.

Not going to nit pick you too bad as I understand your thinking. A couple small things though.

"Less fortunate" is a load of BS. It implies that everyone that decided to work instead of screw around is somehow lucky. Unless you are a lottery winner, there is absolutely zero luck involved in attaining wealth.

One of my favorite quotes, and I have no clue who said it: "Luck is when opportunity and and preparation meet".

Second, the auto companies havent paid back even a small portion of the money Uncle Sam has given them. Current losses on GM alone are around 13B.

[Vteckidd]

but, had he just scrubbed one pan for a photo-op, my reaction is, who cares. They are politicians. They kiss babies and do this shit all the time

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but, had he just scrubbed one pan for a photo-op, my reaction is, who cares. They are politicians. They kiss babies and do this shit all the time

That's what I was trying to point out though, even his kids can see through him. That's why it's so painful.

Out of a 15min visit, how many dishes do you think got clean? I can tell you from experience that not much got done, AND that Ryan has never had a callous on his hand as a result of dishwashing IN HIS LIFE.

It was a photo-op. With that said, why continue the tired old cliché politician photo-op at the soup kitchen. I actually might have changed my vote if I saw him actually gettin down, serving people and cleaning up for a day. DO SOMETHING instead of being a rich political shill.

[Vteckidd]

That's what I was trying to point out though, even his kids can see through him. That's why it's so painful.

Out of a 15min visit, how many dishes do you think got clean? I can tell you from experience that not much got done, AND that Ryan has never had a callous on his hand as a result of dishwashing IN HIS LIFE.

It was a photo-op. With that said, why continue the tired old cliché politician photo-op at the soup kitchen. I actually might have changed my vote if I saw him actually gettin down, serving people and cleaning up for a day. DO SOMETHING instead of being a rich political shill.

agreed, there was something very fake and cliche about it all.

However, i disagree with the "hes never worked in his life" comment. He was not born rich. He worked his way up, he is from middle class upbringing.

Following his sophomore year, Ryan took a job working the grill at McDonald's.[6] He was on his high school's ski, track and varsity soccer teams and played basketball in a Catholic recreational league.[19][20][21] He also participated in several academic and social clubs including the Model United Nations.[6][19] Ryan and his family often went on hiking and skiing trips to the Colorado Rocky Mountains.[10][16]

When he was 16, Ryan found his 55-year-old father lying dead in bed of a heart attack.[6][16] Following the death of his father, Ryan's grandmother moved in with the family, and because she had Alzheimer's, Ryan helped care for her while his mother commuted to college in Madison, Wisconsin.[6] After his father's death Ryan received Social Security survivors benefits until his 18th birthday, which were saved up in order to pay for his college education.[2

[BanginJimmy]

I actually might have changed my vote if I saw him actually gettin down, serving people and cleaning up for a day. DO SOMETHING instead of being a rich political shill.

You know damn well your vote was decided 4 years ago when Obama got the nomination.

[Sammich]

Not going to nit pick you too bad as I understand your thinking. A couple small things though.

"Less fortunate" is a load of BS. It implies that everyone that decided to work instead of screw around is somehow lucky. Unless you are a lottery winner, there is absolutely zero luck involved in attaining wealth.

One of my favorite quotes, and I have no clue who said it: "Luck is when opportunity and and preparation meet".

Second, the auto companies havent paid back even a small portion of the money Uncle Sam has given them. Current losses on GM alone are around 13B.

i dont see it as luck, i see it as fortunate, i dont see my current position as finally having a job, even w/ the ass benefits as lucky, even though i didnt have this 2 yrs ago, i see myself as fortunate.

i THOUGHT the companies did pay back though.

but, had he just scrubbed one pan for a photo-op, my reaction is, who cares. They are politicians. They kiss babies and do this shit all the time

that's what i'm saying, this whole situation is BS. this had no reason to be 'filmed'

That's what I was trying to point out though, even his kids can see through him. That's why it's so painful.

Out of a 15min visit, how many dishes do you think got clean? I can tell you from experience that not much got done, AND that Ryan has never had a callous on his hand as a result of dishwashing IN HIS LIFE.

It was a photo-op. With that said, why continue the tired old cliché politician photo-op at the soup kitchen. I actually might have changed my vote if I saw him actually gettin down, serving people and cleaning up for a day. DO SOMETHING instead of being a rich political shill.

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agreed, there was something very fake and cliche about it all.

However, i disagree with the "hes never worked in his life" comment. He was not born rich. He worked his way up, he is from middle class upbringing.

I mean he's never gotten callouses from washing dishes. He was bitching about getting callouses. You don't get callouses from washing dishes. Not unless he's washing dishes with rubbing alcohol instead of water. Lol

[nelson9995]

Obama has the black vote gets brought up again.

Do you guys believe that even 5% of the southern rednecks will vote for Obama? I don't...

Romney has the white vote...
Obama has the black vote...

So if you are a smart politician and want to win... you would try to help those are not already voting for you. Romney being the dumbass he is says Fuck Hispanics, Fuck blacks... Way to go Romney. Obama promises to help Hispanics, Blacks and whites.

Romey lost. I have no doubt in my mind that Obama gets another 4 years.
I will be repeating this in about 3 weeks lol

[BanginJimmy]

I mean he's never gotten callouses from washing dishes. He was bitching about getting callouses. You don't get callouses from washing dishes. Not unless he's washing dishes with rubbing alcohol instead of water. Lol

VP candidate never washed dishes? Definitely reason enough to vote someone else for President.

[C230K]

ImportAtlanta running Romney Ryan ads now? hmmmmm

[BanginJimmy]

ImportAtlanta running Romney Ryan ads now? hmmmmm

Also advertising reverse mortgages. I know nothing about the site advertising but I would imagine it is some type of general ad posting. The Romney campaign wouldnt even waste the resources on an ad buy as small as this because he already won GA by a large margin.

[Vteckidd]

Obama has the black vote gets brought up again.

Do you guys believe that even 5% of the southern rednecks will vote for Obama? I don't...

Romney has the white vote...
Obama has the black vote...

So if you are a smart politician and want to win... you would try to help those are not already voting for you. Romney being the dumbass he is says Fuck Hispanics, Fuck blacks... Way to go Romney. Obama promises to help Hispanics, Blacks and whites.

Romey lost. I have no doubt in my mind that Obama gets another 4 years.
I will be repeating this in about 3 weeks lol

Very insightful, would totally read again

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ImportAtlanta running Romney Ryan ads now? hmmmmm

You get ads based on what you've been searching on the Internet.

[ahabion]

to the OP, Washington Post states that the President of the charity, a self-described independent, voted Democrat the past 17 years.

Charity president unhappy about Paul Ryan soup kitchen ‘photo op’

Oh and the charity was informed... just not him... go figure! Those Democrats... so silly.

[Sinfix_15]

After last night, Obama will have the woman vote too

Women will decide this election. Question is, would they rather have a job or an abortion.

[Sinfix_15]

Obama has the black vote gets brought up again.

Do you guys believe that even 5% of the southern rednecks will vote for Obama? I don't...

Romney has the white vote...
Obama has the black vote...

So if you are a smart politician and want to win... you would try to help those are not already voting for you. Romney being the dumbass he is says Fuck Hispanics, Fuck blacks... Way to go Romney. Obama promises to help Hispanics, Blacks and whites.

Romey lost. I have no doubt in my mind that Obama gets another 4 years.
I will be repeating this in about 3 weeks lol

yep.... women and minorities will decide this election. if that doesnt scare you then i dont know what the fuck would.

[Sammich]

I mean he's never gotten callouses from washing dishes. He was bitching about getting callouses. You don't get callouses from washing dishes. Not unless he's washing dishes with rubbing alcohol instead of water. Lol

LMAO man i listened and said WTF when i heard that...i was like i barely got callouses from doing roofing work and working out w/o gloves, how they hell you get callouses from washing dishes...FOH

[Sammich]

Women will decide this election. Question is, would they rather have a job or an abortion.

tell you this, i dont agree w/ abortion at all, gays can do w/e they wanna do as long as it doesnt affect me, but killing kids, that's that shit i dont like

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to the OP, Washington Post states that the President of the charity, a self-described independent, voted Democrat the past 17 years.

Charity president unhappy about Paul Ryan soup kitchen ‘photo op’

Oh and the charity was informed... just not him... go figure! Those Democrats... so silly.

I guess you didnt read that the charity was apolitical, and received private donations based on that stance. You would imagine a presidential candidate showing up at your apolitical charity almost unannounced would probably piss you off too. Who he voted for matters zero

Women will decide this election. Question is, would they rather have a job or an abortion.

So I guess if you already have a job, the "choice" is clear

yep.... women and minorities will decide this election. if that doesnt scare you then i dont know what the fuck would.

Yeah, we should play it safe. Just let white people decide the election...

Like they have the past 57 elections

[Sammich]

[Vteckidd]

anyone read this?

FoX is reporting it, so i dont know how true the numbers are.

Total federal and state "welfare" spending topped $1 trillion last year, marking a nearly 30 percent increase since the start of the Obama administration -- according to a new congressional report which documented spending across more than 80 benefit programs for low-income families.

Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., top Republican on the Senate Budget Committee, released the figures Thursday, compiled based on a committee analysis and a new Congressional Research Service study. The stats show that the combination of federal and state "welfare" spending is more than the country spends on Medicare, Social Security or non-war defense.

Sessions, who has been on a campaign of late against what he sees as aggressive and unchecked spending on food stamps and other programs, called the figures "astounding."

"No longer should we measure compassion by how much money the government spends but by how many people we help to rise out of poverty," he said in a statement. "Welfare assistance should be seen as temporary whenever possible, and the goal must be to help more of our fellow citizens attain gainful employment and financial independence."

The study factored in Medicaid, the federal health care aid program for low-income families. But it also covered 82 other federal programs that Sessions classified as "welfare" -- from food stamps to public housing to various tax breaks for low-income families.

The CRS study found the federal portion of all that spending rose from $563 billion in fiscal 2008 to $746 billion in fiscal 2011 -- representing a 32 percent increase. Republicans on the budget committee calculated that, with total state spending factored in, the total amount rose from nearly $800 billion in 2008 to over $1 trillion last year - a 29 percent increase.

According to Sessions' office, the federal share is now roughly one-fifth of the budget.

Read more: 'Welfare' spending topped $1 trillion in 2011, study shows | Fox News

[Sinfix_15]

Yeah, we should play it safe. Just let white people decide the election...

Like they have the past 57 elections

Well, this country had a pretty big head start on the united states and probably has the most natural resources on the planet, plus they have the US sending them a billion dollars in aid a year.

[Sammich]

interesting read

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Well, this country had a pretty big head start on the united states and probably has the most natural resources on the planet, plus they have the US sending them a billion dollars in aid a year.

Nairobi, Kenya





Looks like you're trying to paint a picture by taking a picture out of context

So, what does that have anything to do with the topic?

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anyone read this?

Read more: 'Welfare' spending topped $1 trillion in 2011, study shows | Fox News

Before anyone reads this headline and gets the wrong idea, the "welfare" they're talking about includes A LOT more than Medicaid and food stamps. This isn't just handing a trillion dollars out to poor people. This is what I meant by turning the bullshit filter on. Fox News is remarkably efficient in painting a picture they want you to read.

[Sinfix_15]

Nairobi, Kenya





Looks like you're trying to paint a picture by taking a picture out of context

So, what does that have anything to do with the topic?

mmhmmm..... you're aware of the point i made.


side note.....

can anyone help me with my photoshop skills?

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mmhmmm..... you're aware of the point i made.

Not really aware of the point you made. Let me see if I can ballpark it though and make a hasty generalization based on an out of context picture...

This country has been the richest country on the planet for quite some time...



Am I close?

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can anyone help me with my photoshop skills?

You tried so hard, yet failed so exquisitely.

[Sinfix_15]

Before anyone reads this headline and gets the wrong idea, the "welfare" they're talking about includes A LOT more than Medicaid and food stamps. This isn't just handing a trillion dollars out to poor people. This is what I meant by turning the bullshit filter on. Fox News is remarkably efficient in painting a picture they want you to read.

So is that guy Rachel Maddow....

[Sinfix_15]

You tried so hard, yet failed so exquisitely.

i beg to differ sir...... my execution was flawed, but my delivery was outstanding.

[Sinfix_15]

Not really aware of the point you made. Let me see if I can ballpark it though and make a hasty generalization based on an out of context picture...

This country has been the richest country on the planet for quite some time...



Am I close?

my rebuttal to that looks something like this

[BanginJimmy]

Before anyone reads this headline and gets the wrong idea, the "welfare" they're talking about includes A LOT more than Medicaid and food stamps. This isn't just handing a trillion dollars out to poor people. This is what I meant by turning the bullshit filter on. Fox News is remarkably efficient in painting a picture they want you to read.

Why dont you elaborate then. Dont forget to source it.

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Why dont you elaborate then. Dont forget to source it.

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For starters you can read the rest of the article. It says it right in there closer to the bottom. Way AFTER it mentions "welfare" 100 times.

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Next you can find the study from the CRS...

http://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/110366590

(If it doesn't pop up on a computer, I'll source it again, this one says mobile)

...the same exact office who released this study

http://m.cnbc.com//id/49059989/Study..._t_Spur_Growth


Then you find out what a federal benefit program is and who they benefit; which includes food stamps and Medicaid, but also includes tax breaks and subsidies. Now we see a clearer picture of what they mean by "welfare". What fox means is "We know federal benefit spending went up some, but we want you to think we're wasting a bunch of money on poor lazy people, that's why we use the word 'welfare'"

[Vteckidd]

Before anyone reads this headline and gets the wrong idea, the "welfare" they're talking about includes A LOT more than Medicaid and food stamps. This isn't just handing a trillion dollars out to poor people. This is what I meant by turning the bullshit filter on. Fox News is remarkably efficient in painting a picture they want you to read.

thats why i said i had not looked into it yet, i posted it to see your take on it because i was busy :thumbup: