Presidential Debate #1 Thread

[Kamikaze]

Hold up

Tax EVASION, is ILLEGAL

Hiring armies of accountants to make sure your tax burden is the lowest it can possibly be, is 100% legal and incredibly smart.

Are you telling me you wouldnt look for EVERY opportunity to lessen your tax burden? I mean, we all bargain people on TVs, cars, houses, rent, clothes, etc why would you NOT do it on taxes?

Every tax shelter Romney has used (offshore accounts, loop holes) etc exist because the IRS LETS IT EXIST. Its EXISTED UNDER EVERY PRESIDENT FOR THE LAST 30 years. John Kerry PURPOSEFULLY PARKED HIS BOAT in a different harbor to AVOID PAYING his home states taxes on it.
John Kerry Saves $500,000 By Docking 76-Foot Luxury Yacht Out Of State

I mean these guys do it all the time, Democrat AND republican.

Romney has done nothing illegal, if he had, the IRS would be all over him.

You can manipulate it any way you want. Apply whatever terminology you want. Making money here and not paying the taxes on it whether the IRS (what a joke) says it's legal or not isn't right. Especially when you're bold enough to call out the bottom rung and label them leeches for not paying taxes. If he's man enough to do that and wants everyone to pull their own weight, he needs to do it too. Just because he (and the others that do it) is clever enough to find a legal loophole doesn't make it morally right. Don't give me any of this legal nonsense. There are things that should be illegal that are legal, and things that are legal that should be illegal. The almighty dollar dictates what side of the equation an action falls on, especially when dealing with financial matters.

[Sinfix_15]

You can manipulate it any way you want. Apply whatever terminology you want. Making money here and not paying the taxes on it whether the IRS (what a joke) says it's legal or not isn't right. Especially when you're bold enough to call out the bottom rung and label them leeches for not paying taxes. If he's man enough to do that and wants everyone to pull their own weight, he needs to do it too. Just because he (and the others that do it) is clever enough to find a legal loophole doesn't make it morally right. Don't give me any of this legal nonsense. There are things that should be illegal that are legal, and things that are legal that should be illegal. The almighty dollar dictates what side of the equation an action falls on, especially when dealing with financial matters.

So the problem with america is that Obama did not have enough money to work with? if people like Romney paid in more taxes everything would have been ok?


"everyone pull their own weight" ? Romney probably paid more taxes than everyone on this site combined. I try to pay as little of taxes as possible. I would imagine everyone does. Some how this makes Romney a bad person.

[Kamikaze]

So the problem with america is that Obama did not have enough money to work with? if people like Romney paid in more taxes everything would have been ok?

No, I don't think that would solve anything. And this is one of those points where I'm in line with Romney. The wealthy are under the impression that everyone in the middle and lower class wants their money. That is not the case. What they want is a fair shot. But if basic needs aren't being met, then imagine how much more difficult it would be for someone to come up from the bottom. Now for those who are too lazy to get up and put in the effort to do so, that sounds like a personal problem. But why hold back opportunity for everyone else just because of those few?

"everyone pull their own weight" ? Romney probably paid more taxes than everyone on this site combined. I try to pay as little of taxes as possible. I would imagine everyone does. Some how this makes Romney a bad person.

That's simple math. You make more therefore you pay more. But that's in quantitative terms, not in percentage of income. With constant percentages across the board, the lower you go in income the more it's going to be felt.

[Vteckidd]

You can manipulate it any way you want. Apply whatever terminology you want. Making money here and not paying the taxes on it whether the IRS (what a joke) says it's legal or not isn't right. Especially when you're bold enough to call out the bottom rung and label them leeches for not paying taxes. If he's man enough to do that and wants everyone to pull their own weight, he needs to do it too. Just because he (and the others that do it) is clever enough to find a legal loophole doesn't make it morally right. Don't give me any of this legal nonsense. There are things that should be illegal that are legal, and things that are legal that should be illegal. The almighty dollar dictates what side of the equation an action falls on, especially when dealing with financial matters.

So you're saying people should only follow rules they think are correct?

Quite possibly the dumbest thing posted in this thread.

He pays more than you in taxes, and never called anyone a leech. It is not his fault you aren't a millionaire .

Calling Romney guilty of tax invasion is like me calling you a rapist for sleeping with your gf because I think premarital sex is "morally wrong"

[Kamikaze]

So you're saying people should only follow rules they think are correct?

Quite possibly the dumbest thing posted in this thread.

He pays more than you in taxes, and never called anyone a leech. It is not his fault you aren't a millionaire .

Calling Romney guilty of tax invasion is like me calling you a rapist for sleeping with your gf because I think premarital sex is "morally wrong"

Oh my goodness. Please don't be dense. I'll try and rephrase it so you can understand when I get back.

[Echonova]

Lol I'm a full time student so I don't have any to pay. Who's the stupid one now? You might want to stop making assumptions, it's not a good look.

Wait until you graduate, get a good paying job and are actually subject to our progressive tax code. Then you can speak to how "fair" it is. Right now taxes is just a theoretical exercise for you. Everything works good in theory... Even a rotary motor.


As to Romney's taxes... He released his taxes, now he didn't release the 74 years worth that the "left" was asking for. But why would he? He's under no obligation to. Just like Obama was under no legal obligation to release his birth certificate (which I think he shouldn't have, and the fact Obama was born in the Hawaii is beyond debate). He took legal tax breaks, and most of his money was earned through investments. Which is taxed at a lower rate because you invest with money you've already paid taxes on it once. Same tax breaks that Obama took. If you think it's not "right", then work to change the system. Making assumptions and/or casting aspersions based on what you think is "moral" is far too subjective. What makes you the arbiter of what's moral and what's not? Who are you to judge another man?

[Vteckidd]

You can manipulate it any way you want. Apply whatever terminology you want. Making money here and not paying the taxes on it whether the IRS (what a joke) says it's legal or not isn't right. Especially when you're bold enough to call out the bottom rung and label them leeches for not paying taxes. If he's man enough to do that and wants everyone to pull their own weight, he needs to do it too. Just because he (and the others that do it) is clever enough to find a legal loophole doesn't make it morally right. Don't give me any of this legal nonsense. There are things that should be illegal that are legal, and things that are legal that should be illegal. The almighty dollar dictates what side of the equation an action falls on, especially when dealing with financial matters.

You also realize the incredible double standard you're using because Obama IIRC had an effective tax rate of 20% so obviously you feel he is a tax evader as well for following what is legal

[Kamikaze]

You also realize the incredible double standard you're using because Obama IIRC had an effective tax rate of 20% so obviously you feel he is a tax evader as well for following what is legal

Does Obama hide money off shore? Was he always in that tax bracket? He isn't the one who hasn't released his tax returns. Don't try and twist my words to say I think there's something wrong with being wealthy. Romney chose to open his mouth, therefore he's open to criticism.

[Sinfix_15]

Does Obama hide money off shore? Was he always in that tax bracket? He isn't the one who hasn't released his tax returns. Don't try and twist my words to say I think there's something wrong with being wealthy. Romney chose to open his mouth, therefore he's open to criticism.

If i could hide my money from this government, i would to. Romney paid $3million in taxes, that $3million was wasted by a spend happy government. If he paid $15million, that $15million would have been wasted by a spend happy government.

[Vteckidd]

If i could hide my money from this government, i would to. Romney paid $3million in taxes, that $3million was wasted by a spend happy government. If he paid $15million, that $15million would have been wasted by a spend happy government.

Romney doesnt HIDE MONEY overseas. He uses perfectly legal tax loopholes to park money in offshore accounts. EVERY RICH MOTHERFUCKER DOES IT

WARREN BUFFET
BILL GATES
JEFFREY IMMELT
SOROS
JOHN KERRY

THEY ALL DO IT, WHY IS THIS NEWS WORTHY??????

I dont remember the LEFT skewering John Kerry for being wealthy when he ran for president.