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I dont watch fox news. You realize twitter is nothing more than a messenger right? and i could find links to any and every news media in the world there right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamikaze
Insulting me for using twitter as media would be about the same as saying " you're stupid, you use a TV to get news "
If you dont mind...... point me in the direction of a credible news source please. It will be on twitter.
It's going to be difficult to have a rational discussion with people like him interjecting "opinions" if you can even call them that. Everything he posts seems to have a racial/prejudice undertone to it. And you know trying to have an intelligent discussion with those types is like trying to fight someone with a handicap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammich
#mypresidentisblack is not even close to a representative sample of black Obama voters. Sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinfix_15
I doubt the rubbish you posted was created by a reputable news source. And if it was, and that's where you get your information, then there's the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinfix_15
TV is how most American's get their news, and that's okay. At least they get SOME news albeit biased. But most don't go and research to see if they've heard the real truth because 1) they're too lazy or 2) they don't have the ability to understand and digest it.
"those types" is the picture the left paints of anyone who isnt supporting Obama.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamikaze
Glen Browder: Is the South a Nation of Toothless, Ignorant, Racist Rednecks?
I watch at least an hour of news on TV a day and read a variety of things on the internet. Watch all of the debates, watch the TV anytime the president is speaking. If there's something else i should be doing, please tell me. I'm legitimately asking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamikaze
You do the same thing for people who support Obama. In your opinion from what I've gathered, Obama supporters are either uneducated, freeloaders, ignorant, on welfare, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinfix_15
Either what you're reading is just as skewed as the TV or you're formulating your opinions based on emotions/beliefs/biases rather than facts. Your hate for Obama is preventing you from being rational. I don't think any rational person would say either candidate is the perfect choice. I'll admit that Romney has some standpoints that I agree with. However, I can't trust someone who could probably make tax evasion into an Olympic sport yet says a vast number of Americans are leeches on the system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinfix_15
Hold upQuote:
Originally Posted by Kamikaze
Tax EVASION, is ILLEGAL
Hiring armies of accountants to make sure your tax burden is the lowest it can possibly be, is 100% legal and incredibly smart.
Are you telling me you wouldnt look for EVERY opportunity to lessen your tax burden? I mean, we all bargain people on TVs, cars, houses, rent, clothes, etc why would you NOT do it on taxes?
Every tax shelter Romney has used (offshore accounts, loop holes) etc exist because the IRS LETS IT EXIST. Its EXISTED UNDER EVERY PRESIDENT FOR THE LAST 30 years. John Kerry PURPOSEFULLY PARKED HIS BOAT in a different harbor to AVOID PAYING his home states taxes on it.
John Kerry Saves $500,000 By Docking 76-Foot Luxury Yacht Out Of State
I mean these guys do it all the time, Democrat AND republican.
Romney has done nothing illegal, if he had, the IRS would be all over him.
Romney gave $7million to charity last year and paid $3million in taxes. Lot more than me. You're forming an emotional opinion and judging Romney's character based on his legal tax practices, yet it's wrong for me to judge Obama for his merits and character?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamikaze
edit, looks like Vteck beat me to the punch.
The % of taxes is playing politics in my opinion.....
why dont we word it like this? Romney paid $3million in taxes and "Joe the plumber" paid $500 in taxes. Are we really complaining that the government needs more money? the more you give them, the more they spend. Spending is the problem. Romney should be complaining about the return on his $3million investment. Seems like taxes are just throwing money into an endless whole right now.
You can manipulate it any way you want. Apply whatever terminology you want. Making money here and not paying the taxes on it whether the IRS (what a joke) says it's legal or not isn't right. Especially when you're bold enough to call out the bottom rung and label them leeches for not paying taxes. If he's man enough to do that and wants everyone to pull their own weight, he needs to do it too. Just because he (and the others that do it) is clever enough to find a legal loophole doesn't make it morally right. Don't give me any of this legal nonsense. There are things that should be illegal that are legal, and things that are legal that should be illegal. The almighty dollar dictates what side of the equation an action falls on, especially when dealing with financial matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vteckidd
So the problem with america is that Obama did not have enough money to work with? if people like Romney paid in more taxes everything would have been ok?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamikaze
"everyone pull their own weight" ? Romney probably paid more taxes than everyone on this site combined. I try to pay as little of taxes as possible. I would imagine everyone does. Some how this makes Romney a bad person.
I didn't say it was wrong, I said don't skew it. Don't try and make it seem that one candidate is a saint and the other the devil. Either call it like it is, or don't do it at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinfix_15
I personally don't care who win's we are screwed either way.
No, I don't think that would solve anything. And this is one of those points where I'm in line with Romney. The wealthy are under the impression that everyone in the middle and lower class wants their money. That is not the case. What they want is a fair shot. But if basic needs aren't being met, then imagine how much more difficult it would be for someone to come up from the bottom. Now for those who are too lazy to get up and put in the effort to do so, that sounds like a personal problem. But why hold back opportunity for everyone else just because of those few?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinfix_15
That's simple math. You make more therefore you pay more. But that's in quantitative terms, not in percentage of income. With constant percentages across the board, the lower you go in income the more it's going to be felt.Quote:
"everyone pull their own weight" ? Romney probably paid more taxes than everyone on this site combined. I try to pay as little of taxes as possible. I would imagine everyone does. Some how this makes Romney a bad person.
exactly how i see it. it's like yall are saying...i'd rather a rattlesnake bite me, than a copperheadQuote:
Originally Posted by masanomi3
Well, when you know the starting QB sucks, you put in the backup QB. Unfair for you to predict the stat line of the backup QB before he steps on the field.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammich
If either of you honestly feel this way, you should vote for Romney. Sticking with failure is never the solution. This is what annoys me... most people are willing to admit Obama is doing a poor job, but still seem to refuse change.
If you admit Obama sucks, but you think Romney will suck too, the correct action is to start with removing Obama. The American way is not to accept mediocrity. Maybe Romney wont do any better than Obama, maybe he will.... but we know what we have with Obama and i dont want any more of it.
WHOEVER is in office shit will be fukd up, period. This has nothing to do w/ football statistics, we (at least i know i am in this aspect) are talking plain 1-2-3 english, this shit will be fukd up. I'm not voting for anyone, nor will i ever. when i see you post what you posted, this is what i see you saying
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2mCMF222IQ
So you're saying people should only follow rules they think are correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamikaze
Quite possibly the dumbest thing posted in this thread.
He pays more than you in taxes, and never called anyone a leech. It is not his fault you aren't a millionaire .
Calling Romney guilty of tax invasion is like me calling you a rapist for sleeping with your gf because I think premarital sex is "morally wrong"
So you pay 100% of your marginal tax rate every year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamikaze
Based only on that fact I conclude you are too stupid for this forum.
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You also realize the incredible double standard you're using because Obama IIRC had an effective tax rate of 20% so obviously you feel he is a tax evader as well for following what is legalQuote:
Originally Posted by Kamikaze
Lol I'm a full time student so I don't have any to pay. Who's the stupid one now? You might want to stop making assumptions, it's not a good look.Quote:
Originally Posted by BanginJimmy
Does Obama hide money off shore? Was he always in that tax bracket? He isn't the one who hasn't released his tax returns. Don't try and twist my words to say I think there's something wrong with being wealthy. Romney chose to open his mouth, therefore he's open to criticism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vteckidd
Oh my goodness. Please don't be dense. I'll try and rephrase it so you can understand when I get back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vteckidd
Wait until you graduate, get a good paying job and are actually subject to our progressive tax code. Then you can speak to how "fair" it is. Right now taxes is just a theoretical exercise for you. Everything works good in theory... Even a rotary motor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamikaze
As to Romney's taxes... He released his taxes, now he didn't release the 74 years worth that the "left" was asking for. But why would he? He's under no obligation to. Just like Obama was under no legal obligation to release his birth certificate (which I think he shouldn't have, and the fact Obama was born in the Hawaii is beyond debate). He took legal tax breaks, and most of his money was earned through investments. Which is taxed at a lower rate because you invest with money you've already paid taxes on it once. Same tax breaks that Obama took. If you think it's not "right", then work to change the system. Making assumptions and/or casting aspersions based on what you think is "moral" is far too subjective. What makes you the arbiter of what's moral and what's not? Who are you to judge another man?
Even better. Someone with zero experience in the work force telling how much someone should be paying in taxes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamikaze
You are right I assumed you were just too stupid. Now I know you are dumb AND ignorant.
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I'm gonna have to jump in and vouch for his experience in the work force. Actually, it's exactly the kind of experience Romney is trying so hard to champion, yet failing so hard to go into detail about. Work experience aside, full time students represent a significant portion of the populationQuote:
Originally Posted by BanginJimmy
Lol I must have pushed a button the way you try to take cheap shots, big man. Resorting to that is pretty pathetic and I won't waste any more time responding to you.
Echo, you make a valid point. However my "judgement" was only a response to him judging that 47% he spoke about. I just don't see how it's ok for him to do so while avoiding paying the most tax as possible.
Im a fellow college person as well so i will not hold that against you. Congrats for continuing your education.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamikaze
EVERYONE avoids paying the most amount of tax as possible. Are you serious? Think about that statement.Quote:
I just don't see how it's ok for him to do so while avoiding paying the most tax as possible.
Do you buy a car from a private seller or dealership? Most people would rather do private because IT AVOIDS SALES TAX.
H+R Block, Liberty Tax Services, all that stuff EXISTS TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE A) PAY THE LOWEST AMOUNT OF TAX B) GET THE MOST REFUND BACK.
The problem is our Tax code is so complicated that when you have 100+ million in investments you need an army of accountants to do your taxes.
your argument holds no water because you are holding Romney to a standard that you refuse to hold Obama too. You also realize that capital gains tax is not congruent to Income tax.
To be fair, Obama, and multiple other millionaires, has said multiple times that he himself doesn't need tax breaks and and that tax increases wouldn't hurt people like himQuote:
Originally Posted by Vteckidd
Did Obama take a standard deduction or did he itemize his last tax return? He does the same thing as everyone else, pays as little as possible even though he says the increase wouldn't hurt him. Go ahead, lead by example and take the standard deduction and pay more in taxes if you truly feel that's the way to make things more "fair", otherwise you're just blowing smoke up everyones ass just like the next guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by .blank cd
taht is not the argument though, so lets stick with the original incorrect statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by .blank cd
Until those laws are passed or changed, the current law is the law of the land. Romney can talk all they want about repealing obamacare, but its the law of the land so sayeth the supreme court.
Tax increases wont hurt in terms of bankrupting them, correct
Tax increases WILL HURT THE MIDDLE CLASS (if they are put on the wealthy) , well i believe that to be true.
What experience is that? An investor? He has already said he pays no taxes.Quote:
Originally Posted by .blank cd
Why should he not judge the fact that Obama supporters think high income earner should pay more taxes while they themselves pay little no taxes federal income taxes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamikaze
To say anyone should be paying as many taxes as possible is absolutely stupid. Why should any sane person give this govt 1 penny more than they legally have to? More to the point, what good would it do to do it?
Check out this chart.
http://new-cdn.financialsamurai.com....4/toptaxes.jpg
http://www.financialsamurai.com/2011...-make-percent/
The top 50% of income earners are paying far more than their fair share. Time for the lower end to pick up their end.
If i could hide my money from this government, i would to. Romney paid $3million in taxes, that $3million was wasted by a spend happy government. If he paid $15million, that $15million would have been wasted by a spend happy government.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamikaze
Romney doesnt HIDE MONEY overseas. He uses perfectly legal tax loopholes to park money in offshore accounts. EVERY RICH MOTHERFUCKER DOES ITQuote:
Originally Posted by Sinfix_15
WARREN BUFFET
BILL GATES
JEFFREY IMMELT
SOROS
JOHN KERRY
THEY ALL DO IT, WHY IS THIS NEWS WORTHY??????
I dont remember the LEFT skewering John Kerry for being wealthy when he ran for president.
None of these people are trying to be president either. And Immelt is not the greatest example. Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vteckidd
KERRy WASNT TRYING TO BE PRESIDENT???Quote:
Originally Posted by .blank cd
Warren Buffet is ok to write big donor checks to Obama but hey, who the fuck cares?
Bad behavior is bad behavior, you cant selectively pick your outrage.
That is my biggest problem with partisan politics, hold the same standard to EVERYONE. Like the UE numbers out today, I KNOW they are skewed, i KNOW they are fudging the numbers, but we werent quoting UE6 when Bush and Clinton were in office, why are we doing it now?
LOUD NOISES!!!!
None of them are CURRENTLY trying to be president, and if you look again, you'll see I removed Kerry from your quote. ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Vteckidd
I referenced exactly how they came to the UE numbers they posted, in the other thread.Quote:
That is my biggest problem with partisan politics, hold the same standard to EVERYONE. Like the UE numbers out today, I KNOW they are skewed, i KNOW they are fudging the numbers, but we werent quoting UE6 when Bush and Clinton were in office, why are we doing it now?
http://m.yahoo.com/w/legobpengine/ne...US&.lang=en-US
This says they ran a poll of Americans pretty much asking them if they had a job or not, with a pretty significant sample size. As long as they are consistent with their data collection method and data comparisons (I.e. they used the same method throughout the term) then I see no problem in using that figure as a reference.